Mexico declares all-out war after drug cartel shoots down Army helicopter
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[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;47680945]Oh yeah, because once you legalize weed, gun running, explosives, heavy weapons, human trafficking, illegal logging, ect, all go away too right?[/QUOTE]
No but the cartels income will be severely reduced if you can take away one of their primary markets (or compete with it)
[editline]7th May 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Adarrek;47680976]You are right except legalizing drugs would make it a lot worse.[/QUOTE]
That might be true but we can only speculate on the effects of not prohibiting people from using.
Weed is not their primary market, it's probably not really much of a moneymaker. Especially not compared to the harder drugs, gunrunning, human trafficking, etc..
[QUOTE=Lijitsu;47681462]Weed is not their primary market, it's probably not really much of a moneymaker. Especially not compared to the harder drugs, gunrunning, human trafficking, etc..[/QUOTE]
I'm talking about all recreational drugs, not just weed. I believe we should legalize it all and sell them at CVS/Walgreens and other pharmacies.
[QUOTE=cody8295;47681515]I'm talking about all recreational drugs, not just weed. I believe we should legalize it all and sell them at CVS/Walgreens and other pharmacies.[/QUOTE]
If you wanted to sell them anywhere, a pharmacy wouldn't be the place. You'd want a place with armed guards (or armed clerks), panic buttons, cameras, regular audits, maybe a vault. Basically urban bank level security, because anything less would just be asking to get robbed.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;47681592]If you wanted to sell them anywhere, a pharmacy wouldn't be the place. You'd want a place with armed guards (or armed clerks), panic buttons, cameras, regular audits, maybe a vault. Basically urban bank level security, because anything less would just be asking to get robbed.[/QUOTE]
They already keep pretty strong drugs at the pharmacies, and it would send the message that drugs are like medicine and shouldnt be abused
[QUOTE=cody8295;47681601]They already keep pretty strong drugs at the pharmacies, and it would send the message that drugs are like medicine and shouldnt be abused[/QUOTE]
Drugs aren't like medicine.
[QUOTE=Lijitsu;47682501]Drugs aren't like medicine.[/QUOTE]
And yet we prescribe amphetamine to kids, and give out opiate painkillers.
While i'm not sure legalization of all drugs would hurt cartels profits in a significant way, it's still something i'm all for. and if you're not for legalization you should at least be for decriminalization, drug addicts are sick and they deserve help, not jail time.
Drug cartels are among the most evil organizations in the world today. Destroy them all.
[QUOTE=cody8295;47681515]I'm talking about all recreational drugs, not just weed. I believe we should legalize it all and sell them at CVS/Walgreens and other pharmacies.[/QUOTE]
Thats the most retarded idea in existence when it comes to drugs, yes, alcohol and tobacco are horrible, and I think they should be heavily restricted, but not made illegal. You really want meth, heroin, cocaine, ect, in a fucking CVS? Even medical-grade drugs can be addicting and damaging you know.
if you seriously believe drug addicts deserve to go to jail you're a disgusting person. these people are sick and they need help, putting them in jail doesn't solve anything and generally makes the problem worse. People who are addicted to drugs often have underlying mental illness that need to be addressed, these people need rehab and medical attention, not a life in a cell.
[editline]8th May 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;47682746]Thats the most retarded idea in existence when it comes to drugs, yes, alcohol and tobacco are horrible, and I think they should be heavily restricted, but not made illegal. You really want meth, heroin, cocaine, ect, in a fucking CVS? Even medical-grade drugs can be addicting and damaging you know.[/QUOTE]
people assume legalization would create more drug users but i don't think that'd be the case.. people aren't gonna start doing heroin just because it's legal, especially if we put a lot more funding into educating the public on these drugs. instead it'd make using these drugs much safer for people who are already users, you'd see the number of overdoses drop drastically just from having things like drugs being the same purity every time you buy them
[QUOTE=Kommodore;47666941]actually about 70% of arms smuggled into Mexico by cartels originate in the US[/QUOTE]
Thanks ATF!
[QUOTE=Lijitsu;47682501]Drugs aren't like medicine.[/QUOTE]
medicine is drugs though?
oh and the people freaking out at cody last page for posting about driving while high, driving high is not dangerous at all.
[QUOTE=Jagur;47682890]medicine is drugs though?
oh and the people freaking out at cody last page for posting about driving while high, driving high is not dangerous at all.[/QUOTE]
Some drugs can have positive effects, undoubtedly: but legalizing hardcore drugs won't do much to the cartels.
You can't know how it's going to be dangerous as it depends on the situation. Drugs that change your perception could make you have an accident
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;47666997]wouldn't them making less money be better?[/QUOTE]
Haha wow, are you for real? Legalizing cocaine and meth sure would help things Im sure!
[QUOTE=cody8295;47681515]I'm talking about all recreational drugs, not just weed. I believe we should legalize it all and sell them at CVS/Walgreens and other pharmacies.[/QUOTE]
The drug cartels will have a great time supplying regular stores with hard drugs then. They'll also be great at eliminating unwanted competition.
They'll probably thank the government for legalizing it, because they can then sell their stuff directly.
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;47683153]The drug cartels will have a great time supplying regular stores with hard drugs then. They'll also be great at eliminating unwanted competition.
They'll probably thank the government for legalizing it, because they can then sell their stuff directly.[/QUOTE]
You're funny! The cartels would be mad as fuck since it would still be illegal to sell drugs (their business) but it would be legalto buy them only at state regulated pharmacies. No state approved place is gonna allow the cartel to take them over lol, have you ever heard of that happening before?
Direct competition is the only way you can stop them from selling their significantly more dangerous drugs
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Real funny, innit.
Now you [I]deserve[/I] to have your legs amputated.
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oh and the people freaking out at cody last page for posting about driving while high, driving high is not dangerous at all.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, what? When you're high, you have less reaction time because you're so spaced out that you can't respond quick enough to move out of the way of a speeding truck you're about to crash head-on into. And you know what that makes it? Not safe.
[QUOTE=Brobattington;47684711]I'm sorry, what? When you're high, you have less reaction time because you're so spaced out that you can't respond quick enough to move out of the way of a speeding truck you're about to crash head-on into. And you know what that makes it? Not safe.[/QUOTE]
Maybe if you're new to the drug but tolerance and practice makes it pretty safe. It's understandable that you can't understand but don't assume everybody who smokes in incapable of driving under the influence
[QUOTE=cody8295;47684725]Maybe if you're new to the drug but tolerance and practice makes it pretty safe. It's understandable that you can't understand but don't assume everybody who smokes in incapable of driving under the influence[/QUOTE]
Do you have evidence suggesting that driving while high does not increase the likelihood of crashing?
[QUOTE=Deng;47684741]Do you have evidence suggesting that driving while high does not increase the likelihood of crashing?[/QUOTE]
Only very slightly
[QUOTE]A study from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration concludes that driving after smoking marijuana does not make you more likely to get into a car crash — especially when compared to driving after alcohol consumption.
Researchers studied 9,000 drivers over the past year to examine marijuana’s impact on driving. Although 25 percent of marijuana users were more likely to be involved in a car crash than people who did not use the drug, gender, age, and race/ethnicity of marijuana users were considered, demographic differences actually contributed substantially to crash risk. Younger drivers had a higher crash rate than older ones, and men crashed more than women.
On the other hand, drivers who consumed alcohol were significantly more likely to crash. Those with a 0.08 percent breath alcohol level crashed four times more than sober drivers, and people with a 0.15 percent level were 12 times more likely to crash.
In the study, testing positive for marijuana was defined as having delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinal (THC) in the system. The number of legal drug users and illegal drug users involved in crashes was statistically insignificant.
Nevertheless, marijuana use does impact drivers’ senses, the study warned, and the number of drivers with marijuana in their system is on the rise. According to the Office of Impaired Driving and Occupant Protection director, Jeff Michael, “Drivers should never get behind the wheel impaired, and we know that marijuana impairs judgment, reaction times and awareness.”
Media reports and anti-pot legalization advocates have hyped the idea that “drugged driving” would wreak havoc on the roads now that states are beginning to legalize marijuana. In fact, highway fatalities have gone down since Colorado legalized marijuana.
The NHTSA findings, published Friday, come on the heels of another marijuana study conducted by Emory University. Researchers at the university concluded that people who smoked one joint a day did not have significantly impaired lung function, when compared to non-smokers.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/02/07/3620555/marijuana-use-in-car-crashes/[/url]
[QUOTE=cody8295;47684764]Only very slightly
[url]http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/02/07/3620555/marijuana-use-in-car-crashes/[/url][/QUOTE]
[quote]Nevertheless, marijuana use does impact drivers’ senses, the study warned, and the number of drivers with marijuana in their system is on the rise. According to the Office of Impaired Driving and Occupant Protection director, Jeff Michael, “Drivers should never get behind the wheel impaired, and we know that marijuana impairs judgment, reaction times and awareness.”[/quote]
Your source literally contradicts you, and explicitly states that driving a car while high is a bad idea.
[QUOTE=Deng;47684799]Your source literally contradicts you, and explicitly states that driving a car while high is a bad idea.[/QUOTE]
I said "only very slightly [does marijuana increase the risk of crashing]"
It might contradict my behavior but it proves you wrong if you believe marijuana is even near as dangerous as alcohol when you get behind the wheel
[QUOTE=cody8295;47684803]I said "only very slightly [does marijuana increase the risk of crashing]"
It might contradict my behavior but it proves you wrong if you believe marijuana is even near as dangerous as alcohol when you get behind the wheel[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=cody8295;47675352]I know i can drive high, many poeple can do it safely.[/QUOTE]
That's not my point. The point is that you shouldn't be high while driving in the first place. Your own source literally stated that if you are high, you shouldn't be driving a car.
Try not being selfish, and actually wait until you have finished driving to get high. It's irresponsible to do it while high.
[QUOTE=Deng;47684824]That's not my point. The point is that you shouldn't be high while driving in the first place. Your own source literally stated that if you are high, you shouldn't be driving a car.
Try not being selfish, and actually wait until you have finished driving to get high. It's irresponsible to do it while high.[/QUOTE]
The source had to say that because new weed smokers are effected more than others, it's a blanket statement where they should have differentiated. Do you understand the concept of tolerance or being high and not being effected the same way alcohol effects you? It seems like you don't
[QUOTE=cody8295;47684854]The source had to say that because new weed smokers are effected more than others, it's a blanket statement where they should have differentiated. Do you understand the concept of tolerance or being high and not being effected the same way alcohol effects you? It seems like you don't[/QUOTE]
Except the source stated that you still shouldn't be using it. We're not talking about alcohol at all.
Why do you want to drive while high so badly? The source you sent me explicitly said this:
[quote]Although [b]25 percent of marijuana users were more likely to be involved in a car crash than people who did not use the drug[/b][/quote]
and
[quote]Nevertheless, marijuana use does impact drivers’ senses, the study warned,[/quote]
and
[quote]According to the Office of Impaired Driving and Occupant Protection director, Jeff Michael, [b]“Drivers should never get behind the wheel impaired[/b], and we know that [b]marijuana impairs[/b] judgment, reaction times and awareness.”[/quote]
Stop bullshitting with the source. You are saying the diametric opposite of what they are saying. You cannot use a source if the conclusions it makes are flat out the opposite of yours.
[QUOTE=Deng;47684912]Except the source stated that you still shouldn't be using it. We're not talking about alcohol at all.
Why do you want to drive while high so badly? The source you sent me explicitly said this:
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Stop bullshitting with the source. You are saying the diametric opposite of what they are saying. You cannot use a source if the conclusions it makes are flat out the opposite of yours.[/QUOTE]
Dude, lol, you're proving my point. Only 1/4th of 9000 people were more at risk of crashing than if they were sober. Do you understand why that proves my point? Because 1/4th of the population used in this study were either new smokers or people who are effected more than others. The effects of marijuana are too subjective for you to say 'driving high is dangerous you'll kill somebody you fool' without knowing how the drug effects me. I said when I posted that article that "marijuana only slightly effects the risk of a traffic accident" or something along those lines, and this is the second time I've had to quote myself for you. Please re-read.
[QUOTE=cody8295;47684941]Please re-read.[/QUOTE]
No, you need to read your own source because it literally does not agree with you.
[quote]“Drivers should never get behind the wheel impaired, and we know that marijuana impairs judgment, reaction times and awareness.”[/quote]
Listen here very carefully. The quote above is a statement. The statement can be broken down as follows:
Drivers (a person in a car), should never (under no circumstances) get behind the wheel (driving a car) when impaired (when you have something that weakens your mental and/or physical abilities).
We know (it is well established in the medical community) that marijuana (this drug) [b]impairs[/b] (weakens) judgement, reaction times, and awareness.
It's all there, clear as crystal. It is black and white, and clear as day. You stole fizzy lifting drinks, and your source explicitly and outright states that you should [b]NOT[/b] drive when high.
This is an extremely basic and simple thing to understand.
[QUOTE=Deng;47684989]No, you need to read your own source because it literally does not agree with you.
Listen here very carefully. The quote above is a statement. The statement can be broken down as follows:
Drivers (a person in a car), should never (under no circumstances) get behind the wheel (driving a car) when impaired (when you have something that weakens your mental and/or physical abilities).
We know (it is well established in the medical community) that marijuana (this drug) [b]impairs[/b] (weakens) judgement, reaction times, and awareness.
It's all there, clear as crystal. It is black and white, and clear as day. You stole fizzy lifting drinks, and your source explicitly and outright states that you should [b]NOT[/b] drive when high.
This is an extremely basic and simple thing to understand.[/QUOTE]
My god you're still focused on the suggestion they made? The point of the study was not to tell people that driving under the influence can be dangerous, that much is very fucking obvious.
The point (and literally the entire study) was to show that marijuana poses no threat to 75% of 9000 drivers surveyed. I don't know why you ignore this fact but please continue on your tangent about that one suggestion you found in the conclusion of the study.
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