Mexico declares all-out war after drug cartel shoots down Army helicopter
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if you're planning on getting high you should at least make sure there will be nothing going on where you'll need to drive around. i don't really care how well you think you can handle it, you're going to be impaired, there's no other way to say it.
back when i smoked a lot i admittedly did drive quite a few times while high. even though i tolerated weed fine i deeply regret it because i know i made some mistakes that wouldn't have happened were i sober.
[QUOTE=cody8295;47685003]My god you're still focused on the suggestion they made? The point of the study was not to tell people that driving under the influence can be dangerous, that much is very fucking obvious.
The point (and literally the entire study) was to show that marijuana poses no threat to 75% of 9000 drivers surveyed. I don't know why you ignore this fact but please continue on your tangent about that one suggestion you found in the conclusion of the study.[/QUOTE]
It's not a tangent. It's a direct point. It doesn't matter how relatively dangerous or safe a drug is in comparison to alchohol or whatever.
[b]The point is that an established authority on this subject outright stated that if you are high, you shouldn't be driving.[/b]
You are driving a large metal box with a lot of kinetic energy around. Even the slightest change in reaction time can kill either you, the occupants, or people on the road. There is a very good reason why we don't let people drive while intoxicated.
[QUOTE=Deng;47685017]It's not a tangent. It's a direct point. It doesn't matter how relatively dangerous or safe a drug is in comparison to alchohol or whatever.
[b]The point is that an established authority on this subject outright stated that if you are high, you shouldn't be driving.[/b][/QUOTE]
They also stated that marijuana is only very slightly associated with a risk of crashing. I only mentioned alcohol once, stop bringing it back up
[QUOTE=cody8295;47685028]They also stated that marijuana is only very slightly associated with a risk of crashing. I only mentioned alcohol once, stop bringing it back up[/QUOTE]
The source explicitly stated you shouldn't be driving while high. Please justify why you think you should be allowed to be high when driving.
Where I live, you are effectively banned from having alcohol before driving (there's a very low limit but in practice it means no drinking before driving). Such a policy has been proven to reduce road fatalities, even though the reduction of risk was very small.
[QUOTE=Deng;47685041]The source explicitly stated you shouldn't be driving while high. Please justify why you think you should be allowed to be high when driving.[/QUOTE]
I don't think I should be allowed to (did I ever say I should, or are you making stuff up?), but I'm sure I am fully capable of doing so.
[QUOTE=cody8295;47685053]I don't think I should be allowed to (did I ever say I should, or are you making stuff up?), but I'm sure I am fully capable of doing so.[/QUOTE]
Except you're not. Intoxicated drivers overestimate their abilities when driving.
[QUOTE=Deng;47685078]Except you're not. Intoxicated drivers overestimate their abilities when driving.[/QUOTE]
I've had sober third parties verify that I drive just fine even after smoking numerous blunts. I know i can drive high and I know that you know nothing about my abilities
[QUOTE=cody8295;47685053]I don't think I should be allowed to (did I ever say I should, or are you making stuff up?), but I'm sure I am fully capable of doing so.[/QUOTE]
Isnt this what every person under the influence of something says though? Of course you feel fine and capable of doing so, you're fucking high.
[QUOTE=cody8295;47685093]I've had sober third parties verify that I drive just fine even after smoking numerous blunts. I know i can drive high and I know that you know nothing about my abilities[/QUOTE]
Except this is in direct contradiction of what we know. Yes you can build up a tolerance to an extent, but it is still a psychoactive compound that affects your reaction time.
Anecdotes aren't good enough. You are literally endangering yourself and other drivers by driving while high. Is it really too much time to wait to get to where you are going before you get high? Maybe have a friend drive for you? It's an incredibly basic and simple act that requires almost no effort on your part, and if you choose to drive high when it's extremely easy not to do so, then I can only hope the police pull you over and arrest you.
[QUOTE=Deng;47685111]Except this is in direct contradiction of what we know. Yes you can build up a tolerance to an extent, but it is still a psychoactive compound that affects your reaction time.
Anecdotes aren't good enough. You are literally endangering yourself and other drivers by driving while high. Is it really too much time to wait to get to where you are going before you get high? Maybe have a friend drive for you? It's an incredibly basic and simple act that requires almost no effort on your part, and if you choose to drive high when it's extremely easy not to do so, then I can only hope the police pull you over and arrest you.[/QUOTE]
Most of the time when I drive high is because I'm on a blunt ride, there is no destination. Only a nice drive to smoke during. I understand that some people have trouble driving under the influence but I do not, i'm not trying to come off as egotistical about this but you don't seem to understand the subjective nature of drugs.
You might be affected like that when you smoke but I am not.
[editline]8th May 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Unit-05;47685097]Isnt this what every person under the influence of something says though? Of course you feel fine and capable of doing so, you're fucking high.[/QUOTE]
No, if I wasn't capable of driving i would realize it. I don't lose self-awareness when I'm high
[QUOTE=cody8295;47684941]The effects of marijuana are too subjective for you to say 'driving high is dangerous you'll kill somebody you fool' without knowing how the drug effects me. [/QUOTE]
'Driving high is fine because weed affects everyone differently, just like how driving drunk is fine because alcohol affects everyone differently'
[QUOTE=cody8295;47685053]I don't think I should be allowed to (did I ever say I should, or are you making stuff up?), but I'm sure I am fully capable of doing so.[/QUOTE]
'I am sure I am fully capable while impaired because while impaired I feel like I can drive fine'
[QUOTE=cody8295;47685120]Most of the time when I drive high is because I'm on a blunt ride, there is no destination. [/QUOTE]
'I like to go driving under the influence of mind-altering substances just for the sake of being on the road and potentially a lethal hazard to other people'
[QUOTE=cody8295;47685120]No, if I wasn't capable of driving i would realize it. I don't lose self-awareness when I'm high[/QUOTE]
'If I were under the influence of a mind-altering substance I would definitely know, because nobody who is drunk or stoned ever thinks they are fine when they're not'
You and people like you are the reason why a lot of normal people are vehemently against drug legalization, so utterly self-absorbed with such blatant disregard for the safety of others, all for the sake of a hobby.
[QUOTE=catbarf;47685174]'Driving high is fine because weed affects everyone differently, just like how driving drunk is fine because alcohol affects everyone differently'
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When you say "ok" I approve of this statement on an individual basis. Responsible smokers can drive just fine. Legally I don't agree that it should be allowed.
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'I am sure I am fully capable while impaired because while impaired I feel like I can drive fine'
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Dumb, not gonna respond to this one, I've already posted a study and anecdotal evidence that I can drive under the influence and still be self-aware.
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'I like to go driving under the influence of mind-altering substances just for the sake of being on the road and potentially a lethal hazard to other people'
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I like the scenery.
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'If I were under the influence of a mind-altering substance I would definitely know, because nobody who is drunk or stoned ever thinks they are fine when they're not'
You and people like you are the reason why a lot of normal people are vehemently against drug legalization, so utterly self-absorbed with such blatant disregard for the safety of others, all for the sake of a hobby.[/QUOTE]
If i had to estimate, I'd say i've driven high over 200 times without accident. I know I can drive high and your argument is shit
Instead of thinking how scary a full out war between Mexico and Cartels is going to be for Mexican civilians, we are bickering about is it ok to drive to the mcdonalds high because you got the munchies.
[QUOTE=cody8295;47685200]When you say "ok" I approve of this statement on an individual basis. Responsible smokers can drive just fine. Legally I don't agree that it should be allowed.
Dumb, not gonna respond to this one, I've already posted a study and anecdotal evidence that I can drive under the influence and still be self-aware.
I like the scenery.
If i had to estimate, I'd say i've driven high over 200 times without accident. I know I can drive high and your argument is shit[/QUOTE]
Is this what marijuana did to you? Because smoking at early ages decreases your IQ and it seems like you started at 8yo.
Let's try this way: are you [I]legally [/I] allowed to drive high?
[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;47685412]Is this what marijuana did to you? Because smoking at early ages decreases your IQ and it seems like you started at 8yo.
Let's try this way: are you [I]legally [/I] allowed to drive high?[/QUOTE]
Of course not, but whats legally allowed and what i actually do are almost completely separate.
[QUOTE=cody8295;47685448]Of course not, but whats legally allowed and what i actually do are almost completely separate.[/QUOTE]
So you know you shouldn't drive high but you do it regardless for whatever reason you do it. Harming yourself and others is apparently no big deal to you
And once again Cody derails the conversation into "Don't judge me for driving high".
I'd rather this had actually been a conversation about the cartels.
[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;47685412]Let's try this way: are you [I]legally [/I] allowed to drive high?[/QUOTE]
I'm gonna use California DUI law here.
[url]http://norml.org/legal/item/california-drugged-driving[/url]
[quote=NORML]In California, a person is guilty of DUI if he or she is (1) driving under the influence of any alcoholic beverage or drug, OR (2) driving while addicted to a drug. Cal. Veh. Code §§ 23152(a),(c).
(1) Driving under the influence of any alcoholic beverage or drug. Id. § 23152(a).
In California, it is unlawful to drive under the influence of any drug. [b]However, the state [highlight]must show that the substance impaired the driver[/highlight], not simply that the driver ingested the drug and then subsequently drove.[/b]
[b]NOTE: there is no exception in section for lawful users of medical marijuana.[/b]
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So basically, under the first section, you could get off scott free if you're high and driving if you're competent and can function normally, which a lot of cannabis users can and do.
But then, the second one is tricky.
[quote=NORML](2) Driving while you are addicted to a drug. Id. § 23152(c).
This law is based upon the theory that addicts who are experiencing withdraw symptoms are experiencing an altered state of consciousness which makes them unfit to drive. The courts have provided the following guidelines to determine if a person is an addict. The prosecution's burden is to show;
(1) that the defendant has become 'emotionally dependent' on the drug in the sense that he experiences a compulsive need to continue its use; (2) that he has developed a 'tolerance' to its effects and hence requires larger and more potent doses, and; (3) that he has become 'physically dependent' so as to suffer withdrawal symptoms if he is deprived of his dosage."*[/quote]
So basically DUI is proving beyond a doubt the person is impaired, or is withdrawing from drugs and is in a different state of mind.
Now, the beauty here is this applies to all intoxicates, not just cannabis, so it can also be a case-for-case basis law. Would you arrest a man who takes prescription painkillers if he was driving fine and all you pulled him over was for a busted tail light? No, but you will arrest him if he takes out a light pole. Same can be said for cannabis, did the user exhibit signs of being a danger to himself or others? No? Then let him be.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47685477]And once again Cody derails the conversation into "Don't judge me for driving high".
I'd rather this had actually been a conversation about the cartels.[/QUOTE]
I dont mind being judged, i just want people to know that cannabis is a very mild intoxicant for some people. The subjectivity of drugs is not something you can just make assumptions about and be correct everytime. Drugs can be very dangerous
[editline]8th May 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47685477]And once again Cody derails the conversation into "Don't judge me for driving high".
I'd rather this had actually been a conversation about the cartels.[/QUOTE]
I was debating the cartels monolopy on drugs, didnt mean to derail
[QUOTE=cody8295;47686024]I dont mind being judged, i just want people to know that cannabis is a very mild intoxicant for some people. The subjectivity of drugs is not something you can just make assumptions about and be correct everytime. Drugs can be very dangerous
[editline]8th May 2015[/editline]
I was debating the cartels monolopy on drugs, didnt mean to derail[/QUOTE]
Really? Guess you don't mean to derail pretty much every single thread about drugs then huh? Also it doesn't matter if weed is a mild intoxicant(it isnt for everyone btw), It's still dangerous, and the fact that you say you are capable of driving while high just shows how immature and careless you are.
I did say in another thread something invading Mexico. Its a failed state and its getting bad. I do not trust the Mexican Military and since a lot of people will be coming to the us to escape it, might as well go in.
Or could just pull a Ron White....
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;47686049]Really? Guess you don't mean to derail pretty much every single thread about drugs then huh? Also it doesn't matter if weed is a mild intoxicant(it isnt for everyone btw), It's still dangerous, and the fact that you say you are capable of driving while high just shows how immature and careless you are.[/QUOTE]
Almost every single thread about drugs? I think the only other thread about drugs ive talked about this in was a thread I started about the study i posted earlier. Sounds like you're just running with what humanabyss said without actually knowing anything about my posting behavior lol. The fact that you think nobody is capable of driving under the influence just shows how ignorant you are on the effects of drugs
[QUOTE=cody8295;47686467]Almost every single thread about drugs? I think the only other thread about drugs ive talked about this in was a thread I started about the study i posted earlier. Sounds like you're just running with what humanabyss said without actually knowing anything about my posting behavior lol. The fact that you think nobody is capable of driving under the influence just shows how ignorant you are on the effects of drugs[/QUOTE]
You've admitted that it can have mild effects on some people. [I]Some[/I] people. Which means that others will be heavily affected. How are you going to prevent that? By not driving high.
[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;47686555]You've admitted that it can have mild effects on some people. [I]Some[/I] people. Which means that others will be heavily affected. How are you going to prevent that? By not driving high.[/QUOTE]
Obviously dont drive high if you're greatly effected, im not advocating DUI im just trying to prove its possible.
[QUOTE=cody8295;47686467]Almost every single thread about drugs? I think the only other thread about drugs ive talked about this in was a thread I started about the study i posted earlier. Sounds like you're just running with what humanabyss said without actually knowing anything about my posting behavior lol. The fact that you think nobody is capable of driving under the influence just shows how ignorant you are on the effects of drugs[/QUOTE]
I never said people drove under the influence, don't know where you got that one, I said it's stupid to do so and you endanger lives by doing it.
[editline]8th May 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=cody8295;47686580]Obviously dont drive high if you're greatly effected, im not advocating DUI im just trying to prove its possible.[/QUOTE]
Or, don't drive high at all and be responsible?
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Or, don't drive high at all and be responsible?[/QUOTE]
asking catnip cody to be responsible is like asking michelle bachmann to be sane.
it's not going to happen.
[QUOTE=DemonElite;47686865]asking catnip cody to be responsible is like asking michelle bachmann to be sane.
it's not going to happen.[/QUOTE]
Honestly we should stop trying. One day he'll take care of himself if he keeps going this way.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;47686780]I never said people drove under the influence, don't know where you got that one, I said it's stupid to do so and you endanger lives by doing it.
[editline]8th May 2015[/editline]
Or, don't drive high at all and be responsible?[/QUOTE]
Has it occurred to you that you can DUI responsibly?
DUI = irresponsibility, frankly I don't know how you don't get it. Maybe you blazed it too much
[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;47686994]DUI = irresponsibility, frankly I don't know how you don't get it. Maybe you blazed it too much[/QUOTE]
Maybe you havent blazed it enough?
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