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[QUOTE=proboardslol;49759859]I'm simply examining her own personal trajectory. Her credentials as a leader aside, she has truly excelled in making her career. I think other women could look up to her as someone who shatters the glass ceiling.[/QUOTE] By being a pathological liar that constantly breaks the truth in half to cover her own ass? That flip flops on issues and stabs her colleagues in the back? That breaks the law to an almost immeasurable degree and uses money and connections to not be convicted? One that when unable to defend her position will proclaim with no basis that her opponents are just misogynists? That is a good role model for women to "look up to"? If you think those ideals are the bees knees then why aren't you voting for Trump?
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[QUOTE=Thlis;49759892]By being a pathological liar that constantly breaks the truth in half to cover her own ass? That flip flops on issues and stabs her colleagues in the back? That breaks the law to an almost immeasurable degree and uses money and connections to not be convicted? One that when unable to defend her position will proclaim with no basis that her opponents are just misogynists? That is a good role model for women to "look up to"? If you think those ideals are the bees knees then why aren't you voting for Trump?[/QUOTE] I'm not talking about ideals or politics, I'm talking about personal success. If a woman wants to be successful, perhaps she should look to someone successful. I never said that Hillary is a saint; I'm saying she's successful. I think if you wanna make an omelette, you gotta crack some eggs. If someone wants to be successful and powerful, they don't necessarily have to be the most moral person.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49759859]I'm simply examining her own personal trajectory. Her credentials as a leader aside, she has truly excelled in making her career. I think other women could look up to her as someone who shatters the glass ceiling. [editline]17th February 2016[/editline] I am a Hillary supporter (it's funny how you phrased that. Being a Hillary supporter is a slur now :v:), but I'm not voting for her because she's a woman. I was just noting that Hillary is probably the most powerful American woman alive, if not in American history. Regardless of your politics, I think that someone who is that successful in her career is a model for women everywhere.[/QUOTE] "Hey ladies! If you want to excel in your career in politics, just be a complete sociopath on lying directly to people about your convictions. Don't forget to sprinkle it with shady business ties, flip-flopping, and just a overall lack of skill at anything you do! You are a Woman, so who cares about criticism and remember to tell them about 9/11 if you run out of ideas." Like I get you think Facepunch is just one gigantic Clinton-hate fest, but seriously there is barely any positives to her objectively. If women seriously look up to her as a role-model, I would be scared shitless for our future. [editline]17th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=proboardslol;49760132]I'm not talking about ideals or politics, I'm talking about personal success. If a woman wants to be successful, perhaps she should look to someone successful. I never said that Hillary is a saint; I'm saying she's successful. I think if you wanna make an omelette, you gotta crack some eggs. If someone wants to be successful and powerful, they don't necessarily have to be the most moral person.[/QUOTE] Except most of her success is heavily utilizing fame from her name based on a political dynasty achieved by someone else.
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[QUOTE=Quq;49758840]the onion is making fun of people who hate hillary clinton for no reason, and as a person who hates hillary clinton for no reason, I'm against that[/QUOTE] You don't have to hate Hilary Clinton for "no reason". I'm not fond of her at all but my distaste for this stems from the act being awful, not because I have an axe to grind. If an article came out today talking about Bernie doing this, I'd have the same reaction.
[QUOTE=Tudd;49760153]"Hey ladies! If you want to excel in your career in politics, just be a complete sociopath on lying directly to people about your convictions. Don't forget to sprinkle it with shady business ties, flip-flopping, and just a overall lack of skill at anything you do! You are a Woman, so who cares about criticism and remember to tell them about 9/11 if you run out of ideas." Like I get you think Facepunch is just one gigantic Clinton-hate fest, but seriously there is barely any positives to her objectively. If women seriously look up to her as a role-model, I would be scared shitless for our future. [editline]17th February 2016[/editline] Except most of her success is heavily utilizing fame from her name based on a political dynasty achieved by someone else.[/QUOTE] I think dirty tricks are how anyone gets ahead, regardless of gender. If you want something you should just take it
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49760855]I think dirty tricks are how anyone gets ahead, regardless of gender. If you want something you should just take it[/QUOTE] Look, most people understand utilizing resources and connections to give you advantage over others is not necessarily a bad thing, and can even be enviable for people who want success, but Hillary Clinton is not one of those cases. She lacks skills, conviction, and morals to make it worth role-modeling or to convince me she deserves a vote despite power-playing politics for what appears to be fame and on the behest of others. Such a self-defeating argument you are giving me.
[QUOTE=01271;49759784]Aren't you meant to mark out sponsored content? Can you US-based FPers tell your FCC/FTC about it?[/QUOTE] Only broadcasts are required to disclose said information.
Good to know that in order to be a successful person in proboards world all I have to do is lack morality, have a vagina, and be an establishment supporter and have them support me. Good to know. This is exactly why people don't want Clinton. Because lacking conviction and morality is not a selling point but for you it is
[QUOTE=Tudd;49761066]Look, most people understand utilizing resources and connections to give you advantage over others is not necessarily a bad thing, and can even be enviable for people who want success, but Hillary Clinton is not one of those cases. She lacks skills, conviction, and morals to make it worth role-modeling or to convince me she deserves a vote despite power-playing politics for what appears to be fame and on the behest of others. Such a self-defeating argument you are giving me.[/QUOTE] I think that, as an individual, you should look up to people who have made things for themselves. Billionaires, inventors, successful politicians etc. All the people I look up to made millions of dollars in one way or another, regardless of their morals. I think that there's little else one can personally aspire to [editline]17th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49762411]Good to know that in order to be a successful person in proboards world all I have to do is lack morality, have a vagina, and be an establishment supporter and have them support me. Good to know. This is exactly why people don't want Clinton. Because lacking conviction and morality is not a selling point but for you it is[/QUOTE] I never said anything about being a woman. I think Sanders supporters keep coming back to this for some reason? I have yet to hear someone support Hillary because she's a woman but the Sanders people have a weird fixation with the fact that Clinton is a woman.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49762411]Good to know that in order to be a successful person in proboards world all I have to do is lack morality, have a vagina, and be an establishment supporter and have them support me. Good to know.[/QUOTE] He explicitly said he isn't voting for her because she is a woman and you still need to make that talking point. It's like you guys can't find enough validation out there that a large segment of Clinton's supporters are voting for her based on that, so you need to put words in peoples mouths. [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49762411]This is exactly why people don't want Clinton. Because lacking conviction and morality is not a selling point but for you it is[/QUOTE] I think the case being made is that you can vote for someones stances and policies while not really caring about their morality. Clinton is absolutely a sociopath who will say anything to get elected. But personally I'd rather see her as president over everyone short of Sanders and even then I can see pros and cons to both. She has a wealth of political experience and holds positions I find agreeable. That matters more to me than a winning personality. Their effectiveness as a leader.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49762889]I think that, as an individual, you should look up to people who have made things for themselves. Billionaires, inventors, successful politicians etc. All the people I look up to made millions of dollars in one way or another, regardless of their morals. I think that there's little else one can personally aspire to [editline]17th February 2016[/editline] I never said anything about being a woman. I think Sanders supporters keep coming back to this for some reason? I have yet to hear someone support Hillary because she's a woman but the Sanders people have a weird fixation with the fact that Clinton is a woman.[/QUOTE] No I'm sorry we have to talk about your delusions. You brought up her gender in this discussion arguing she's an example to women. You don't get to say "I didn't talk about her gender" when you do that not do you get to take some high ground about not mentioning it [editline]17th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Raidyr;49762936]He explicitly said he isn't voting for her because she is a woman and you still need to make that talking point. It's like you guys can't find enough validation out there that a large segment of Clinton's supporters are voting for her based on that, so you need to put words in peoples mouths. I think the case being made is that you can vote for someones stances and policies while not really caring about their morality. Clinton is absolutely a sociopath who will say anything to get elected. But personally I'd rather see her as president over everyone short of Sanders and even then I can see pros and cons to both. She has a wealth of political experience and holds positions I find agreeable. That matters more to me than a winning personality. Their effectiveness as a leader.[/QUOTE] I don't care about her gender. I do care when someone says she's a role model for women
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49757928]You do have to admit, she's probably gone further in politics than any other woman in American history. Except [I]maybe[/I] Condoleezza Rice[/QUOTE] [i]How[/i]? She's been riding on her husband's coattails since day 1. She used his fame to launch her career, and has been an outstandingly terrible person from the get-go. I'd confidently wager that if her husband had never won the presidency she would [i]never[/i] have gotten this far. Especially not as far as a Presidential Candidacy
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49762941]No I'm sorry we have to talk about your delusions. You brought up her gender in this discussion arguing she's an example to women. You don't get to say "I didn't talk about her gender" when you do that not do you get to take some high ground about not mentioning it[/quote] The OP article is about how she's a woman who has broken barriers women before had had not. The OP brought up her gender. I think she's a roll model for women because she's successful, not because she's a woman
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49762889]I think that, as an individual, you should look up to people who have made things for themselves. Billionaires, inventors, successful politicians etc. All the people I look up to made millions of dollars in one way or another, regardless of their morals. I think that there's little else one can personally aspire to.[/QUOTE] Well shit then, vote for Trump. Atleast the guy is skilled at some things. I just think by your logic there are a way better people to aspire to who achieved fame/wealth in less incredulous ways.
[QUOTE=Tudd;49762998]Well shit then, vote for Trump. Atleast the guy is skilled at some things. I just think by your logic there are a way better people to aspire to who achieved fame/wealth in less incredulous ways.[/QUOTE] Trump has skills in things that aren't really applicable to being president besides maybe interpersonal skills and being the head of a bureaucracy. Something that Clinton also has, as well as a veritable wealth of real world political experience.
[QUOTE=Tudd;49762998]Well shit then, vote for Trump. Atleast the guy is skilled at some things. I just think by your logic there are a way better people to aspire to who achieved fame/wealth in less incredulous ways.[/QUOTE] Trump feels like 4chan's "random" board come to life.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;49763014]Trump has skills in things that aren't really applicable to being president besides maybe interpersonal skills and being the head of a bureaucracy. Something that Clinton also has, as well as a veritable wealth of real world political experience.[/QUOTE] He has better economic insight if looking over his plans compared to Clinton's and just in his line of work he has had to maintain several different economic structures. Clinton's proposed college plan has convinced me all she will do is continue the status quo with retarded ideas like, "We will have college be cheaper by having the government pay off your student debt after 20 years, even though you had to still suffer it for the majority of those years." I also could imagine Trump probably has more real world interaction with other cultures then Clinton considering he has had to negotiate deals and go face to face. I don't doubt that Clinton can interact with other cultures in a respectful manner, but her track record is pretty much shit at this point and alot of our current political adversaries will never respect her, either because of her reputation or that she is a woman unfortunately. So this is a toss up, but I'm for Trump on this just because Benghazi was a complete mess up on her end and Russia/the Middle East are going to treat her like some Obama 2.0. Clinton is a weak politician through and through with her only skill being in debating and navigating intrique. Trump has as much skills if not more as being a president compared to a person who has shown little skills dedicating her life to politics. I don't want Trump to win, but I have never been shown any evidence that Clinton has skillfully done anything in politics that wasn't an achievement orchestrated by someone else.
[QUOTE=Tudd;49762998]Well shit then, vote for Trump. Atleast the guy is skilled at some things. I just think by your logic there are a way better people to aspire to who achieved fame/wealth in less incredulous ways.[/QUOTE] If trump is a billionaire, that's something to be envied. I personally don't care a lot about real estate so I don't really care much about trump. But we're not talking about voting; I'm just talking about the interpersonal level here. Politics is a different discussion. If someone is a billionaire, I wish I were in their position.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49762889]I think that, as an individual, you should look up to people who have made things for themselves. Billionaires, inventors, successful politicians etc. All the people I look up to made millions of dollars in one way or another, regardless of their morals. I think that there's little else one can personally aspire to[/QUOTE] All the people I look up to made other people happy. I don't care how much money you made or how politically successful you were if you were an asshole in person. It really doesn't take much to brighten someone's day, or just not actively make it worse. Rich people have even less reason to not be considerate of others, because in general they have cushier jobs, more time and more money that they could use to help people. By the way I don't buy that you honestly believe all this objectivist crap anyway. Everybody cares about morals.
[QUOTE=Menien Goneld;49763453]All the people I look up to made other people happy. I don't care how much money you made or how politically successful you were if you were an asshole in person. It really doesn't take much to brighten someone's day, or just not actively make it worse. Rich people have even less reason to not be considerate of others, because in general they have cushier jobs, more time and more money that they could use to help people. By the way I don't buy that you honestly believe all this objectivist crap anyway. Everybody cares about morals.[/QUOTE] Bill Gates is a billionaire as a result of running a monopoly and using scummy business practices to edge out competition. He's also the biggest philanthropist in the world. I think Bill Gates is a role model. Mark Zuckerberg collects your information and sells it to advertisers. He also provides free internet to the third world and will donate all of his money before he dies. Zuckerberg is a roll model. Someone like Edward Snowden? Told us a bunch of shit we already know about domestic surveillance, compromised national security on foreign surveillance, struck a deal with the Russians, and now lives in a police state. Not a roll model.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49760132]I'm not talking about ideals or politics, I'm talking about personal success. If a woman wants to be successful, perhaps she should look to someone successful. I never said that Hillary is a saint; I'm saying she's successful. I think if you wanna make an omelette, you gotta crack some eggs. If someone wants to be successful and powerful, they don't necessarily have to be the most moral person.[/QUOTE] hillary is very inspiring as a successful woman but not so inspiring as a leader of people. i don't look to her and see hope for the future, and that is what it means to be inspiring as a leader, at least to me
[QUOTE=Menien Goneld;49763453]All the people I look up to made other people happy. I don't care how much money you made or how politically successful you were if you were an asshole in person. It really doesn't take much to brighten someone's day, or just not actively make it worse. Rich people have even less reason to not be considerate of others, because in general they have cushier jobs, more time and more money that they could use to help people. By the way I don't buy that you honestly believe all this objectivist crap anyway. Everybody cares about morals.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't call myself an objectivist because objectivism categorically believes in selfishness as a virtue rather than a means to an end. An objectivist would be selfish on principle, rather than utility, though the two can easily conflict. You can see where this failed hollywood writer/"philosopher"s beliefs unravel. I don't categorically believe in a code of ethics; I think things are extremely subjective and that subject is yourself. [editline]17th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;49763538]hillary is very inspiring as a successful woman but not so inspiring as a leader of people. i don't look to her and see hope for the future, and that is what it means to be inspiring as a leader, at least to me[/QUOTE] Well, like I said earlier: this is a realm of personal success divorced from politics. One can be inspired to be Hillary Clinton without being inspired to vote for Hillary Clinton
Honestly this article is pretty standard Onion writing. I saw it on their twitter without knowing about any of this """scandal""" and chuckled to myself a bit, and moved on. Many of their articles have this same tone of passive-aggressive irony. Also, Univision isn't a political group dedicated to Hillary Clinton. It's a Hispanic TV network. Networks invest in content creators pretty damn frequently! It doesn't mean there's a huge conspiracy. In summary, y'all are acting paranoid. :chillout:
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49763545]Well, like I said earlier: this is a realm of personal success divorced from politics. One can be inspired to be Hillary Clinton without being inspired to vote for Hillary Clinton[/QUOTE] i guess i was more responding to the onion article in the OP, using you as a vehicle for my quote.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49759859] I am a Hillary supporter (it's funny how you phrased that. Being a Hillary supporter is a slur now :v:)[/QUOTE] All I meant was that I didn't want to connect you to my observation about people caring that Hillary's a woman, and that I didn't want to assume what your position on Hillary was.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49760855]I think dirty tricks are how anyone gets ahead, regardless of gender. If you want something you should just take it[/QUOTE] holy shit i think this might lowkey be one of the worst things i've ever heard anyone say during this election like, you're unironically defending corruption right now you're actively part of the problem
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49763545]I wouldn't call myself an objectivist because objectivism categorically believes in selfishness as a virtue rather than a means to an end. An objectivist would be selfish on principle, rather than utility, though the two can easily conflict. You can see where this failed hollywood writer/"philosopher"s beliefs unravel. I don't categorically believe in a code of ethics; I think things are extremely subjective and that subject is yourself.[/QUOTE] So you're saying that you value selfishness as a utility, which is fine I guess although it doesn't really hold up in my opinion. Where does admiring Clinton become supporting her presidential campaign though? You obviously seem to hold the opinion that Clinton uses selfishness as a means to an end and as such deserves your vote, but where is the evidence of her advancing her political career to the benefit of others? She's done some pretty scandalous stuff and always worked to cover it up, has constantly flip-flopped on every major issue, and generally, I don't remember a time when her schemes to get elected ever worked as a means to a positive end. It's always a means to benefit her, which isn't really what you want in a president.
The Onion's sister publication Starwipe did another [url=http://www.starwipe.com/article/bernie-bro-susan-sarandon-says-she-doesnt-vote-her-2068]article[/url] concerning Bernie and Hillary. Hmmmm.
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