New Bill Known As Enemy Expatriation Act Would Allow Government To Strip Citizenship Without Convict
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[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;34119785][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asmodeus]Clearly it's Asmodeus.[/url]
Godhood or not.[/QUOTE]
Hercules is superior.
Demi-gods are always superior.
[QUOTE=Last or First;34119851]We should 'expatriate' the people trying to bring these bills up.
Seeing as these bills [I]ARE[/I] hostile to America...
Plus, it would be incredibly karmic.[/QUOTE]
In cases like this it's a good idea to mentally replace "America" with "people in Congress". That's what Congress usually means when they say something is a threat to America.
*ahem* Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
I really want to stop myself from freaking out about this, but I really should start saving for that plane ticket.
Canada has plenty of room, especially the prairies, nothing but grain fields.
[QUOTE=dass;34119625]How can things get worse?[/QUOTE]
Please don't ask that to congress
All this in the land of freedom?
Haha
There are not enough gorilla-smashing-computer pictures to properly convey how mad I am right now.
I am THIS mad.
Except I don't think 'terrorism' is subject to the laws of war(usually no formal declaration, shit like that), and therefor the 'War on Terror' would not suffice as a reason to revoke citizenship.
I'm not saying I am defending this decision, but you have to examine the laws of war too. They require a designated uniform and carrying weapons openly. If what you are doing doesn't apply, then techinally your citizenship can not be revoked with this ammendment. It's not defining 'hostilities' as a deviance from the laws of war, but as the laws of war themselves.
But hell, I don't know. Someone actually comment and evaluate instead of complaining.
Is there a United Nations bill that says every person has a right to at least one citizenship or something?
Saw it coming. Getting predictable there, congress.
What are these morons thinking?! Are they testing us to see if we will abolish and replace them?
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The way US is heading now, it won't be the middle east that is "invaded" to save the people in the future... It's US...
Which nicely takes care of that clause in NDAA that prevents it from being used on citizens.
I told you all this is exactly what would happen...
Man I wasn't sure I trusted the source but they cite the bill right in the article. Although it was introduced back in october.
[editline]8th January 2012[/editline]
and it looks like it's hung up in committees
[editline]8th January 2012[/editline]
so maybe all of you should calm down?
Shit. Not trying to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but it seems we are getting closer to becoming a police state each day.
[QUOTE=da bloop;34121072]Shit. Not trying to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but it seems we are getting closer to becoming a police state each day.[/QUOTE]
Pardon, how is that a conspiracy, other than to people with two dimensional TV minds?
If you haven't noticed, we basically are a police state now. It's so bad we have to police *other* peoples' countries.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;34121023]Man I wasn't sure I trusted the source but they cite the bill right in the article. Although it was introduced back in october.
[editline]8th January 2012[/editline]
and it looks like it's hung up in committees
[editline]8th January 2012[/editline]
so maybe all of you should calm down?[/QUOTE]
I refuse to calm down.
The mere fact that an idea like that was put into writing IN CONGRESS is terrifying enough let alone imagining it actually passing.
What the hell is happening to us? Why worry about terrorists when we are in the middle of a Great Depression?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;34120871]Is there a United Nations bill that says every person has a right to at least one citizenship or something?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, unless the person has dual citizenship, I think this would be illegal under international law.
Before we break out the "police state" rhetoric...
[url]http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS441US441&ix=heb&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=Enemy+Expatriation+Act#q=Enemy+Expatriation+Act&hl=en&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS441US441&prmd=imvnsu&source=univ&tbm=nws&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=90QKT6_TOaTe0QG2xIjDAg&ved=0CC4QqAI&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=62234cabe65d45a3&biw=1361&bih=759[/url]
Looks like this is one of those bills one lone congressman re-submits every year and is found to be so outlandish it's dismissed on the spot by referring it to committee (a majority of the bills sent to committee are never seen again...): [url]http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS441US441&ix=heb&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=Terrorist+Expatriation+Ac#hl=en&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS441US441&sa=X&ei=MUUKT8WkJInf0QGDhLmDCw&ved=0CBkQvwUoAQ&q=Terrorist+Expatriation+Act&spell=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=23bc058ba87a7947&biw=1361&bih=759[/url]
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;34121247]Before we break out the "police state" rhetoric...
[url]http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS441US441&ix=heb&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=Enemy+Expatriation+Act#q=Enemy+Expatriation+Act&hl=en&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS441US441&prmd=imvnsu&source=univ&tbm=nws&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=90QKT6_TOaTe0QG2xIjDAg&ved=0CC4QqAI&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=62234cabe65d45a3&biw=1361&bih=759[/url]
Looks like this is one of those bills one lone congressman re-submits every year and is found to be so outlandish it's dismissed on the spot by referring it to committee (a majority of the bills sent to committee are never seen again...): [url]http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS441US441&ix=heb&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=Terrorist+Expatriation+Ac#hl=en&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS441US441&sa=X&ei=MUUKT8WkJInf0QGDhLmDCw&ved=0CBkQvwUoAQ&q=Terrorist+Expatriation+Act&spell=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=23bc058ba87a7947&biw=1361&bih=759[/url][/QUOTE]
Even if it's just one lone nut in Congress who come up and is the only one to support this bill, it shouldn't of been brought up in the 1st place without the Congressman getting impeached/fired. You can get impeached for lying about a blowjob but no action is taken for violating the very oath you take when sworn in as an official.
[QUOTE=Donman;34121506]Even if it's just one lone nut in Congress who come up and is the only one to support this bill, it shouldn't of been brought up in the 1st place without the Congressman getting impeached/fired. You can get impeached for lying about a blowjob but no action is taken for violating the very oath you take when sworn in as an official.[/QUOTE]
Someone voted him in, you can't just take that away. Unless his constituents want him out.
[release][I]The way these defense obsessed Republicans think, our rights are always in danger of being taken away.[/I][/release]
Yes, American rights are being taken away. BY THE REPUBLICANS.
Gonna make this nice and big so everyone sees it:
[release][h2]Unfortunately, the most egregious parts of the above mentioned bills already found their way into law under the recently passed National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) which seemingly renders any further discussion of these bills as somewhat redundant, but they certainly won't be critically discussed in the corporate media.[/h2][/release]
[URL]http://www.activistpost.com/2012/01/another-tyrannical-success-for.html[/URL]
Shitty source, but it gives all I need to know, discussion of this bill is pointless, crisis averted, etc.
[QUOTE=Jenkem;34121152]Pardon, how is that a conspiracy, other than to people with two dimensional TV minds?
If you haven't noticed, we basically are a police state now. It's so bad we have to police *other* peoples' countries.[/QUOTE]
True. Also, doesn't this compliment the NDAA? If they claim that it doesn't apply to U.S citizens, couldn't they just revoke citizenship and detain them just the same?
[QUOTE=toaster468;34119807]Lol the bill's title implies it's good.[/QUOTE]
how
[QUOTE=aurum481;34119611]Going downhill more...[/QUOTE]
Like this will even pass.
This is getting fucking ridiculous. First the SOPA and Protect IP acts, then the NDAA Act, and now the Internet Kill Switch/Enemy Expatriation Acts?
My country's slowly turning into a police state. We've reached the point where this is no longer an exaggeration.
So what country do they have citizenship in when they lose there US citizenship?
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