• Angry Militia Leader: Stop Mailing Us Dildos
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Be careful with throwing the term "terrorist" around because your definition may also apply to those you consider heros. [t] http://negroeswithguns.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/black-panthers-seattle-1969-armed-on-capitol-steps-600x350.jpg[/t] [editline]14th January 2016[/editline] Armed civil disobedience is the most effective way to protest. Want to make lawmakers change something? Arm and protect yourself and walk somewhere important. Why do you think Black lives matter has been so ineffectual? They go to public or privately owned places and just get in the publics way then inevitably get tased, pepper sprayed, or carried out. They aren't protesting on government property, they aren't protesting at city halls or police stations, they're blocking highways and malls and interrupting speeches, things that ultimately have no impact on policymakers. And they aren't protecting themselves either.
[QUOTE=archival;49528504]Good luck selling 1k of lube though[/QUOTE] Well obviously you're not gonna sell it to a private person. Or maybe, wtf do I know, but some related business might as well pick it more likely, I guess. Anyways, shit like this only shows how powerful the collective can be. And it is a political message, even if it's just trolling. In some countries, the least you can do is drop the vote in the box (whatever election it may be), even if you vote for nobody. Then your vote is counted in the total number of people who voted, and that's kind of really important.
[QUOTE=Fish Muffin;49528952]Be careful with throwing the term "terrorist" around because your definition may also apply to those you consider heros. [t] http://negroeswithguns.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/black-panthers-seattle-1969-armed-on-capitol-steps-600x350.jpg[/t] [editline]14th January 2016[/editline] Armed civil disobedience is the most effective way to protest. Want to make lawmakers change something? Arm and protect yourself and walk somewhere important. Why do you think Black lives matter has been so ineffectual? They go to public or privately owned places and just get in the publics way then inevitably get tased, pepper sprayed, or carried out. They aren't protesting on government property, they aren't protesting at city halls or police stations, they're blocking highways and malls and interrupting speeches, things that ultimately have no impact on policymakers. And they aren't protecting themselves either.[/QUOTE] These idiots are a bunch of backwoods cousin fuckers who seized control of a shed in the middle of nowhere in the hopes it would bring the government to account. They have been as successful in doing nothing but embarrassing themselves and the constitution they claim to protect ( in reality they pick and choose the bits they like). They are protesting the decision of a court which jailed an arsonist on a charge of arson. This seemingly clear demonstration of effective legal procedure and judicial practice common to the civilised nations is deemed the biggest threat to their livelihood since the emancipation proclamation.
You fools! They'll be able to produce ground to air dildo launchers now!
[QUOTE=Fish Muffin;49528952]Be careful with throwing the term "terrorist" around because your definition may also apply to those you consider heros. [t] http://negroeswithguns.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/black-panthers-seattle-1969-armed-on-capitol-steps-600x350.jpg[/t] [editline]14th January 2016[/editline] Armed civil disobedience is the most effective way to protest. Want to make lawmakers change something? Arm and protect yourself and walk somewhere important. Why do you think Black lives matter has been so ineffectual? They go to public or privately owned places and just get in the publics way then inevitably get tased, pepper sprayed, or carried out. They aren't protesting on government property, they aren't protesting at city halls or police stations, they're blocking highways and malls and interrupting speeches, things that ultimately have no impact on policymakers. And they aren't protecting themselves either.[/QUOTE] If the Panthers did the same thing today, they'd likely get shot and killed without hesitation. Hell, the reason BLM supporters are probably trying to have an impact on the people instead of lawmakers is so that people, especially the apathetic or bigoted ones who vote in bigoted lawmakers, realize that what they're doing is wrong by supporting those with power who would put down or ignore a race of people and write off their struggles as nothing more but complaints. Let's see you go around in a group of armed minorities in the US and see how far that goes before you're gunned down simply for being a minority with a gun. There have already been many cases in the last 5 years alone of armed white people walking around in public being confronted and peacefully apprehended by police, but any minority even thought to have been armed was shot and killed. This really isn't as simple as being armed and going somewhere important, that cannot and will not always solve the issue. Also, whoever is using the term terrorist or being labeled as such all comes down to perspective. The Black Panthers did what they did in order to fight back against white supremacy, so of course people who aren't being affected by white supremacy would say the Panthers were terrorists. These idiot "militiamen" in oregon are a bunch of gun nuts trying to secede from the US. Their leader even lost support from the NRA (I think) after stating that black americans would be better off as slaves. Also, recently one of their own took loads of donation money, went to a local hotel and got absolutely hammered because of discussions with other members of the militia who wanted a shootout to the death with the Feds, even with women and children present in the area.
[QUOTE=Fish Muffin;49528952]Be careful with throwing the term "terrorist" around because your definition may also apply to those you consider heros. [t] http://negroeswithguns.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/black-panthers-seattle-1969-armed-on-capitol-steps-600x350.jpg[/t] [editline]14th January 2016[/editline] Armed civil disobedience is the most effective way to protest. Want to make lawmakers change something? Arm and protect yourself and walk somewhere important. Why do you think Black lives matter has been so ineffectual? They go to public or privately owned places and just get in the publics way then inevitably get tased, pepper sprayed, or carried out. They aren't protesting on government property, they aren't protesting at city halls or police stations, they're blocking highways and malls and interrupting speeches, things that ultimately have no impact on policymakers. And they aren't protecting themselves either.[/QUOTE] Comparing these fuckers to the Black Panthers is laughable, at best. For the Black Panthers, it was a matter of their entire race being subjected to discrimination and prejudice, sometimes threatening their very lives.
[QUOTE=Fish Muffin;49528952]Be careful with throwing the term "terrorist" around because your definition may also apply to those you consider heros. [t] http://negroeswithguns.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/black-panthers-seattle-1969-armed-on-capitol-steps-600x350.jpg[/t] [editline]14th January 2016[/editline] Armed civil disobedience is the most effective way to protest. Want to make lawmakers change something? Arm and protect yourself and walk somewhere important. Why do you think Black lives matter has been so ineffectual? They go to public or privately owned places and just get in the publics way then inevitably get tased, pepper sprayed, or carried out. They aren't protesting on government property, they aren't protesting at city halls or police stations, they're blocking highways and malls and interrupting speeches, things that ultimately have no impact on policymakers. And they aren't protecting themselves either.[/QUOTE] The Black Panthers can go suck it. They were very much terrorists. King's peaceful protests did far more then the Black Panthers ever did.
[QUOTE=Fish Muffin;49528952]Be careful with throwing the term "terrorist" around because your definition may also apply to those you consider heros. [t] http://negroeswithguns.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/black-panthers-seattle-1969-armed-on-capitol-steps-600x350.jpg[/t] [editline]14th January 2016[/editline] Armed civil disobedience is the most effective way to protest. Want to make lawmakers change something? Arm and protect yourself and walk somewhere important. Why do you think Black lives matter has been so ineffectual? They go to public or privately owned places and just get in the publics way then inevitably get tased, pepper sprayed, or carried out. They aren't protesting on government property, they aren't protesting at city halls or police stations, they're blocking highways and malls and interrupting speeches, things that ultimately have no impact on policymakers. And they aren't protecting themselves either.[/QUOTE] The black panthers are a pretty regrettable chapter in American history and are without question terrorists yes.
[QUOTE=Fish Muffin;49528952]Be careful with throwing the term "terrorist" around because your definition may also apply to those you consider heros. [t] http://negroeswithguns.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/black-panthers-seattle-1969-armed-on-capitol-steps-600x350.jpg[/t] [editline]14th January 2016[/editline] Armed civil disobedience is the most effective way to protest. Want to make lawmakers change something? Arm and protect yourself and walk somewhere important. Why do you think Black lives matter has been so ineffectual? They go to public or privately owned places and just get in the publics way then inevitably get tased, pepper sprayed, or carried out. They aren't protesting on government property, they aren't protesting at city halls or police stations, they're blocking highways and malls and interrupting speeches, things that ultimately have no impact on policymakers. And they aren't protecting themselves either.[/QUOTE] They were [URL="http://terrorism.about.com/od/groupsleader1/p/Black_Panthers.htm"] terrorists.[/URL] Even by the anally strict definition, "to achieve one's goals by the use of terror," they as an organization were terrorists. Shock and disbelief, I know, but terrorists can be heroes and vice versa.
[QUOTE=soccerskyman;49527392]I realize they aren't exactly a tremendous threat, I just think their cause/ideology and the way they are going about it is dumb.[/QUOTE]Do you know what their cause and ideology even are? At all? I'm not going to argue about their methods, declaring the management building of a wildlife refuge to be what is essentially a no-feds-allowed-or-we-will-tell-mom fort is a dumb idea especially if they weren't even prepared to, you know, occupy it indefinitely. [QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;49527401]And? They're violent, dangerous dipshits who seized federal property in defense of arsonists and are threatening to murder anyone who tires to dislodge them.[/QUOTE]I already covered this in the other thread, but real quick: 1. They threatened to "defend themselves" if the federal government goes in. Keep in mind what they imagine is a Waco siege or Randy Weaver's wife getting shot holding an infant by triggerhappy government agents. 2. They actually wanted "a fair trial" for the "arsonists." I've also covered this before, but long story short the "witness testimony" provided at the actual trial sets off my bullshit alarm because it's so laughably over-the-top. Either way they're not getting what they want, the Hammonds were like "nope, we'll just go to prison." Oh and no, you do actually have to commit violence to be violent. That's what violent is. You do violence. Until that happens they're just claiming they'll maybe do some potentially violent thing if the government does... something... (hint: this won't happen, the FBI specifically does not want another Waco siege, they've been trying for decades to repair the damage that's done) [QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;49531810]They were [URL="http://terrorism.about.com/od/groupsleader1/p/Black_Panthers.htm"] terrorists.[/URL] Even by the anally strict definition, "to achieve one's goals by the use of terror," they as an organization were terrorists. Shock and disbelief, I know, but terrorists can be heroes and vice versa.[/QUOTE]I would call some of their activities terrorism, but on the other hand armed patrols of black neighborhoods that were under siege by the government (local police) and racist assholes? Yeah, that's not terrorism, that's fucking survival. I don't disagree though, the Black Panthers were absolutely a terrorist organization, one that was given plenty of slack and essentially allowed to operate freely. This is the same sort of approach that the government has taken with more excitable groups in the "militia movement" because much like in the 60's and 70's the government didn't want to incite more anger against them. Though people who regularly cry about this sort of thing are quick to claim that, "if these were black men occupying federal land they would be killed!" while conveniently forgetting the government's approach to the Black Panthers in a time when wholesale slaughter of armed, uppity negroes would have been more socially acceptable. Ultimately this proves that no, the government wasn't a big, bad tyrannical institution then and that really hasn't changed at all over the years so it isn't one now. [editline]14th January 2016[/editline] Back on topic though: why would you give dildos and a fucking huge drum of lube that costs over a thousand dollars when there's thousands of charitable organizations out there that could use this wasted money? I never, ever fucking understood the point of doing something like this. I mean it's funny and I [I]did[/I] laugh, but then I started thinking about the dollar amount and I'm like "man, a fucking soup kitchen could function pretty well for a month on all the money spent mailing this shit." Though I suppose the storm of dildos these dudes are getting is probably making them mad as hell and likely causing them to get disillusioned so maybe it's causing this to end quicker, I don't know.
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