• SERIOUS: School bans red ink - "It's a very negative color"
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[QUOTE=zombini;44299111]You don't get that feeling that you're fucking up? I always get a little more than uneasy when i see it. Probably has to do with how i had strict parents and any minor fuckup was pretty bad.[/QUOTE] "Oh, ehh, oh well, guess I'll do better?"
I'm all for a little hand-holding when people need it, but there's being helpful and then there's this. If you think that red ink is "too negative" for schools then I congratulate you for having a bleeding heart so large that you should declare yourselves to be saints.
[QUOTE=Untouch;44298893]red is "negative" because its fucking associated with failure switching the fucking colour to green will only make green associated with failure[/QUOTE] true, but the color red is also associated(and there is actual research about that), with aggressiveness, there is research that even showed that simply looking at red, cause some people's heart to beat faster, i say we keep red(blue on the other hand has the opposite effect)
[QUOTE=KlaseR;44298969]but that also encourages the student to study harder and do better.[/QUOTE] Or it encourages them to give up on the spot because they won't believe they'll get any better if they see too much red there. They should just use a neutral black ink for both good and bad marks. People who give a shit about their grades can look through for mistakes, and people who don't care won't give a shit what colour it's in. People who are on the border of giving up, who this most effects, won't be able to see at a glance that they've done poorly until they've gone through it - at which point, theoretically, they'd see [I]where[/I] they've gone wrong which will help them far more than being handed back a paper covered in red and throwing in a desk never to be seen again at the first opportunity sheerly because it's covered in [I]whatever[/I] colour they use for negative marking.
I pity the person that spent time on this case. He sure is doing something very meaningful with his life.
[QUOTE=zombini;44299111]You don't get that feeling that you're fucking up? I always get a little more than uneasy when i see it. Probably has to do with how i had strict parents and any minor fuckup was pretty bad.[/QUOTE] My parents were strict too when I fucked up, but I never allowed that to rule my emotions in any way. Shrug your shoulders and move on, test papers aren't the end of the world, and you don't have to worry about one or two more points, much less the occasional bad test paper, unless you really need high grades for whatever reason.
[QUOTE=AlfieSR;44299143]Or it encourages them to give up on the spot because they won't believe they'll get any better if they see too much red there. They should just use a neutral black ink for both good and bad marks. People who give a shit about their grades can look through for mistakes, and people who don't care won't give a shit what colour it's in. People who are on the border of giving up, who this most effects, won't be able to see at a glance that they've done poorly until they've gone through it - at which point, theoretically, they'd see [I]where[/I] they've gone wrong which will help them far more than being handed back a paper covered in red and throwing in a desk never to be seen again at the first opportunity sheerly because it's covered in [I]whatever[/I] colour they use for negative marking.[/QUOTE] What's helpful for me is when the professor actually writes out what I did wrong. A line through my work and a -5 in red is bad because it's a loss of points with no feedback, not because it's red.
[QUOTE=J!NX;44299120]"Oh, ehh, oh well, guess I'll do better?"[/QUOTE] If i ever saw red marks on a fairly important test or paper, it was a big deal, it bothered me quite a bit. This thread makes me feel like i'm back in 8th grade.
Reminds me of this [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C_HReR_McQ[/url] "green is not a creative colour"
[QUOTE=AlfieSR;44299143]Or it encourages them to give up on the spot because they won't believe they'll get any better if they see too much red there. They should just use a neutral black ink for both good and bad marks. People who give a shit about their grades can look through for mistakes, and people who don't care won't give a shit what colour it's in. People who are on the border of giving up, who this most effects, won't be able to see at a glance that they've done poorly until they've gone through it - at which point, theoretically, they'd see [I]where[/I] they've gone wrong which will help them far more than being handed back a paper covered in red and throwing in a desk never to be seen again at the first opportunity sheerly because it's covered in [I]whatever[/I] colour they use for negative marking.[/QUOTE] Except this has its problems too? for one thing, why should the student have to take the effort to find their mistakes, when it's the tutor/teacher's job to point out the right and the wrong in the first place? People on the point of 'giving up' may have other problems than education, and life problems impact performance in the schoolhouse just as much as they do adults. And if you ask me, people have to learn to acknowledge that something has gone wrong and at least, try to do something about it. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, bad test papers are not the end of the world.
[QUOTE=AlfieSR;44299143]Or it encourages them to give up on the spot because they won't believe they'll get any better if they see too much red there[/QUOTE] literally blows my mind that people actually think this matters like, at all. the education system in most countries is failing because of massive obvious flaws and one of the ways they try and fix it is by... changing the color of ink to something more "Happy"? no it won't actually make them believe that, unless they're hyper over sensitive, and if they are, boohoo.
[QUOTE=J!NX;44299228]literally blows my mind that people actually think this matters like, at all. the education system in most countries is failing because of massive obvious flaws and one of the ways they try and fix it is by... changing the color of ink to something more "Happy"? no it won't actually make them believe that, unless they're hyper over sensitive, and if they are, boohoo.[/QUOTE] yep; it's like having the two choices of grasping at straws. One hand has small thin straws that don't have a very big effect on anything but can be implemented easily, one hand has large thick straws that cannot be implemented easily but are problems that need to be tackled head on and can effect the entire system of education. As you can see, what straws they like to grab for
I don't really have an issue with red. Then again, I don't have any issues in school. [editline]20th March 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Teddybeer;44299557]Before we went back to multiple choice testing teachers from my school were required to explain why they took a point away. It worked amazingly well.[/QUOTE] Every time my teachers do this is because it's a dumbass technicality. "WHAT ARE THE FOUR STATES OF MATTER?" "Eh, Gas, Solid, Liquid, Plasma?" "YOU GOT THE QUESTION WRONG BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T IN ORDER." Pisses me off so much. That's a real example, too. I argued that shit to the end of a moon.
I don't know what difference this will make. I'm pretty sure the new color will just be associated with something bad rather than red. That was the case when I had a teacher who used green. Its not the color that's bad, its the fact you got that many marks off.
I had a math teacher who would grade with whatever color happened to be sitting next to him. It didn't really make a difference.
And now the OP is red
Can't wait to see what the kids of 2050 look like with all this coddling. We could see a whole generation of Pamperchus, god rest his soul.
I'd say it's an agressive colour but not that it's a negative one. I like red. [editline]20th March 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Falubii;44299952]I had a math teacher who would grade with whatever color happened to be sitting next to him. It didn't really make a difference.[/QUOTE] I always used pencils when grading stuff in university and it was fine.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/53QwEsc.png[/IMG] We must all pray for Kite_shugo in this time of great terror.
"Its not red its Oxblood".
[QUOTE=Snowmew;44301178][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/53QwEsc.png[/IMG] We must all pray for Kite_shugo in this time of great terror.[/QUOTE] forgive me father for I have sinned
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;44298827]Its like in "My Gym Partner's a Monkey", they don't give letter grades, they give generic positive stickers on their report cards.[/QUOTE] I completely forgot that show existed. How long have you been waiting to reference to it? Is this the truest moment of your life? Seriously though, who cares what color the ink the comments are in. Red is great because I can easily find my errors and not make them the next time.
Red is like the universal color for bad. Abort buttons, 'Nuke launch buttons', Warning lights, Mrs. Beachum's notes to my parents Leave it as is. Red in school here in the US more or less means Teacher's writing. It's easier to identify as their markings when looking over something
[QUOTE=TheTalon;44302127]Red is like the universal color for bad. Abort buttons, 'Nuke launch buttons', Warning lights, Mrs. Beachum's notes to my parents Leave it as is. Red in school here in the US more or less means Teacher's writing. It's easier to identify as their markings when looking over something[/QUOTE] but but but but my sensibilities!
Red is the colour humans are most drawn to, that's why negative things are red, to highlight them. When a test is handed back to you the answers you got right aren't important, the ones you got wrong are the important ones. Using a different colour to mark wrong answers isn't going to do anything but make it take slightly longer for people to register how well they did, as in half a second. This is a feel good move made by the same idiots who give out awards for participation.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;44302127]Red is like the universal color for bad. Abort buttons, 'Nuke launch buttons', Warning lights, Mrs. Beachum's notes to my parents Leave it as is. Red in school here in the US more or less means Teacher's writing. It's easier to identify as their markings when looking over something[/QUOTE] [img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-nbP5O9VI3ko/Tzs6DmYBj8I/AAAAAAAAFb4/IGuBXJMN0NQ/s1600/matrix+red+dress.jpg[/img] It's not negative persay, it's just more vibrant and powerful to our eyes.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;44299194]Except this has its problems too? for one thing, why should the student have to take the effort to find their mistakes, when it's the tutor/teacher's job to point out the right and the wrong in the first place? People on the point of 'giving up' may have other problems than education, and life problems impact performance in the schoolhouse just as much as they do adults. And if you ask me, people have to learn to acknowledge that something has gone wrong and at least, try to do something about it. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, bad test papers are not the end of the world.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=J!NX;44299228]literally blows my mind that people actually think this matters like, at all. the education system in most countries is failing because of massive obvious flaws and one of the ways they try and fix it is by... changing the color of ink to something more "Happy"? no it won't actually make them believe that, unless they're hyper over sensitive, and if they are, boohoo.[/QUOTE] It's not about the students, it's about the teachers. Secondary school is when assholes make themselves known, and I've seen way too many teachers who just do not give a shit about the class anymore because they're sick of dealing with that one guy. School regulations are never going to change in favour of defending against actual troublemakers, so teachers are going to stay like this. They're going to more or less act like no one in the class gives a damn about the lessons. [QUOTE=Protocol7;44299157]What's helpful for me is when the professor actually writes out what I did wrong. A line through my work and a -5 in red is bad because it's a loss of points with no feedback, not because it's red.[/QUOTE] Like this. Not once have I seen [I]any[/I] teacher do this until I got into college years, save for one who took a serious zero-shit policy about bad behaviour. If you wanted help you had to ask, so you needed to know where you needed help, which is fair enough, but if you didn't ask you just sunk, which isn't. For me in particular, this was even worse in science because my science teacher would give explanations that were harder to understand than the original he gave in class. I have personally seen students in the same classroom as me take a look at a result sheet or a handed back marking, and then start acting like it never happened. I've seen my own results in classes I've done bad in being covered in red and felt like shit for it. It's my opinion that eliminating the difference between good and bad marking colours would be a good idea, that encouraging students to look through their marks and seek answers for themselves is a good idea. Learning initiative alongside other skills which no one seems to have anymore. Maybe I'm wrong and it was just my school that was a total shit-fest, so be it. I stand by my opinion.
"Congratulations, you failed!"
Ahhhaha, the forbidden color! Forbidden color! Hhhah! [img]http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/ActorsB/2118-26443.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=Protocol7;44298880]yeah. I kinda fear for the next generation of kids, when adults get ideas like this. they'll be fucked for the real world. do your job and help raise the kid right[/QUOTE] I don't think much will change. The "smart" kids are smart enough to know that the pen color doesn't matter, they'll learn from the marks they got marked off on, work harder, and get better grades just like they always have. Would it matter to you? If not, why would it matter to them? Kids are people too, capable of critical thinking. They are probably saying how stupid this is too. I am always very skeptical about "next generation is fucked because of X or Y" because we and every other generation had to deal with some form of X or Y too, and most of us turned out OK.
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