Rand Paul Wants To Cut $500 billion By Cutting Defense, Shutting Down Education Dept.
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[QUOTE=Megafanx13;27617246]Cooperation.[/QUOTE]
How unrealistic.
Friendly competition between two economical ideologies (i.e. Space Race USA-SU) is the best form of competition.
Rand Paul seems like a perfectly reasonable fellow, until you start listening.
[editline]24th January 2011[/editline]
Then you realize he's nuts.
[QUOTE=marlkarxv2;27635766]How unrealistic.
Friendly competition between two economical ideologies (i.e. Space Race USA-SU) is the best form of competition.[/QUOTE]
So your saying childish wanting to be better then someone is the only reason why we advance?
If we are ever going to become a type one civilization then we are going to have to learn how to cooperate.
[QUOTE=Strider*;27625275]No of course industry didn't cause them not to.
It ALLOWED them not to.
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Child labor was an element of industrialization, not a precursor to it dummy.
you've become so intent on proving your silly "spirit of capitalism crap" that you're engaging in historical revisionism to prove your point
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[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;27626407]
Uh, no. No it really doesn't. Thanks for proving we can't take you seriously, at all. Cooperation comes from so many different things, and competition, may be one of them, but it isn't the only way, nor would I say it's the best way. [/QUOTE]
Competition does not have to be other people. For hundreds of thousands of years mankind's main competitor was it's environment.
then again everyone knows that things like satisfaction in labor and transcending the problems you are faced with are nothing compared to making money, which is of course what motivates all of mankind (even non-trading nomadic societies)
[editline]24th January 2011[/editline]
sister you really gotta read up on the theory of alienated labor. if you actually took any pride in your level of understanding of the world, you'd take the time to properly understand opposing theories instead of going "DESTROY COLLECTIVISM THE FREE MARKET RULES" whenever you're faced with any worldview that doesn't accept total free market capitalism in it's most extreme form. but you're not going to do that because you've become so myopic that you are only willing to account for historical interpretations that immediately agree with your worldview and reject anything that conflicts with that worldview outright
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i mean if you want to be taken seriously on any intellectual level you need to actively account for (not ignore) differing interpretations of world events like conflict theory and feminist and marxist criticisms and not just the structural functionalist interpretations of capitalist society that you support without questioning. I disagree with structural functionalist worldviews but I still take the time to understand them because i hold myself to some god damned standards (plus having a proper understanding of my opponents instead of the kneejerk "X-ists ARE BAD AND THAT'S THAT" reaction you have to opposing interpretations gives me a better ability to engage with them and hopefully prove their interpretations wrong)
[editline]24th January 2011[/editline]
you are child and i could forever lay eternal smackdown on you and your children and their children tenfold but i've got stuff to do
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;27639032]Child labor was an element of industrialization, not a precursor to it dummy.
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You're wrong.
Child labor existed long before industrialization.
[QUOTE=Strider*;27644236]You're wrong.
Child labor existed long before industrialization.[/QUOTE]
Yea but it got worse when it started and also why do you think people used child labor? Because it was legal and because it made money.
[QUOTE=Strider*;27644236]You're wrong.
Child labor existed long before industrialization.[/QUOTE]
How in anyway shape or form, is that a rebuttal to what he said?
I swear to fucking god you've dug yourself a hole straight to china.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;27645372]How in anyway shape or form, is that a rebuttal to what he said?
I swear to fucking god you've dug yourself a hole straight to china.[/QUOTE]
No he didnt because if he did that then he would see what happens when businesses dont have to pay minimum wage.
Strider doesn't see changing what actually happened in history to fit his view revisionism, he calls it truth. And he's a very staunch believer in "truth".
I know a few libertarians and I would say hes a disgrace. At least they come up with better answers then competition for why people wont get paid 4$ an hour or how to stop child labor. I mean if anything competition will cause businesses to pay as little as possible to make sure they can save the most amount of money and use that money to beat there competitor.
[QUOTE=Strider*;27644236]You're wrong.
Child labor existed long before industrialization.[/QUOTE]
Industrialization made it rampant.
who fucking cares about child labor, none of you even have children
its not like we're going to FORCE younger kids to work
[QUOTE=Moose;27645846]who fucking cares about child labor, none of you even have children
its not like we're going to FORCE younger kids to work[/QUOTE]
Do you even know what were talking about?
[QUOTE=Strider*;27644236]You're wrong.
Child labor existed long before industrialization.[/QUOTE]
nice job ignoring the rest of that massive post and just responding to one part (and even missing the point of the one part you responded to)
[editline]25th January 2011[/editline]
i effortpost for the first time in months and this is how you repay me
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;27639032]sister you really gotta read up on the theory of alienated labor. if you actually took any pride in your level of understanding of the world, you'd take the time to properly understand opposing theories instead of going "DESTROY COLLECTIVISM THE FREE MARKET RULES" whenever you're faced with any worldview that doesn't accept total free market capitalism in it's most extreme form. but you're not going to do that because you've become so myopic that you are only willing to account for historical interpretations that immediately agree with your worldview and reject anything that conflicts with that worldview outright[/QUOTE]
I especially want to see his response to this part.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;27659833]I especially want to see his response to this part.[/QUOTE]
Give me a historic example of something that contradicts my worldview.
[QUOTE=Strider*;27663826]Give me a historic example of something that contradicts my worldview.[/QUOTE]
Holy fucking shit kid. We've given you so many. 1800's england, 1900-1930's america, I'm sure there's been more in previous conversations with you. You just ignore them. Hell, you don't even read em.
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;27639032]
sister you really gotta read up on the theory of alienated labor. if you actually took any pride in your level of understanding of the world, you'd take the time to properly understand opposing theories instead of going "DESTROY COLLECTIVISM THE FREE MARKET RULES" whenever you're faced with any worldview that doesn't accept total free market capitalism in it's most extreme form. but you're not going to do that because you've become so myopic that you are only willing to account for historical interpretations that immediately agree with your worldview and reject anything that conflicts with that worldview outright
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That is exactly what Ron Paul does in all of his books it's ridiculous, the second national bank is now the real cause of the boom-bust cycle, awesome job Ron Paul A+.
[QUOTE=Strider*;27663826]Give me a historic example of something that contradicts my worldview.[/QUOTE]
Any place going through industrialization with an entirely unrestricted free market contradicts your world view. It's not rocket science.
So strider what is going to stop slaver?
[QUOTE=Strider*;27663826]Give me a historic example of something that contradicts my worldview.[/QUOTE]
ya see, right here's your fundamental flaw. You see the world as having one universally correct school of interpretation (your own), rather than many, none of which are never contradicted by world events. Someone is going to post an example that appears to contradict your worldview and you will insist that they interpret that occurrence differently, without attempting to reinterpret it yourself.
You've completely discounted the possibility that you might be wrong in your interpretation of world events, so anyone who claims that some world event shows any flaw in your philosophy must be the wrong one and needs reinterpret it in line with your worldview. You're intellectually hypocritical because you do not hold yourself to the standards of critical thought that you hold everyone else to.
See how strider hasn't posted? don't say some bullshit like "I can't be on the computer all the time nerds" because you're on here just as much as us.
i am unapologetic about how much time i waste posting about on the internet
I'm not so eager to cut the defense budget like some people. Yeah we haven't been very responsible with our military but DARPA is where we get some of our best modern inventions that normal people use on a daily basis.
You know, like that internet you're using...
[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;27684227]I'm not so eager to cut the defense budget like some people. Yeah we haven't been very responsible with our military but DARPA is where we get some of our best modern inventions that normal people use on a daily basis.
You know, like that internet you're using...[/QUOTE]
1. Darpa should keep their budget.
2. Darpa didn't make the internet. The internet is not american.
[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;27684227]I'm not so eager to cut the defense budget like some people. Yeah we haven't been very responsible with our military but DARPA is where we get some of our best modern inventions that normal people use on a daily basis.
You know, like that internet you're using...[/QUOTE]
The only reason why war produces so much technology is because we spend so much money on it. If we spent a trillion on digging up dirt we would some how figure out how to use what we learned to help people.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;27684254]1. Darpa should keep their budget.
2. Darpa didn't make the internet. The internet is not american.[/QUOTE]
Depends on your definition of "making the internet".
No they didn't make exactly what we're using right now but they made the first concept of it.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;27684254]1. Darpa should keep their budget.
2. Darpa didn't make the internet. The internet is not american.[/QUOTE]
Everyone knows Al Gore made the internet.
Also why wouldn't their's be cut? They're still part of the United States Department of Defense.
In fact the first letter in DARPA stands for Defense.
[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;27684417]Also why wouldn't their's be cut? They're still part of the United States Department of Defense.
In fact the first letter in DARPA stands for Defense.[/QUOTE]
Well they could cut some parts and not others. Its not like they have to cut everything the same amount.
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