• Rand Paul Wants To Cut $500 billion By Cutting Defense, Shutting Down Education Dept.
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[QUOTE=Jenkem;27522265] Who gives you the right to determine whether something is valid or not?[/QUOTE] Science
while i'm in favour of cutting defense spending, I find it funny how people completely ignore that it will also have pretty damaging effects cutting the defense budget so drastically is going to put a [I]shitload [/I]of people out of work; putting more strain on welfare and fucking up the job market even further. this would also affect numerous private corporations that are spread out throughout the US that develop weaponry and vehicles for the US military, ie Sikorsky etc
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;27524821]while i'm in favour of cutting defense spending, I find it funny how people completely ignore that it will also have pretty damaging effects cutting the defense budget so drastically is going to put a [I]shitload [/I]of people out of work; putting more strain on welfare and fucking up the job market even further. this would also affect numerous private corporations that are spread out throughout the US that develop weaponry and vehicles for the US military, ie Sikorsky etc[/QUOTE] I was about to say something like this but it looks like you beat me to it. The thing I'm afraid of about shutting down the Education Department is that states might muck up their education system even further because there will be no central department to enforce anything. Bible passages in science class, anyone?
[QUOTE=TheTalon;27520043]I don't know... I just think there are many other ways to cut spending other than from our Defense and Education budgets. We're spending a whopping 1% of our GDP in Afghanistan... A lot of kick ass shit in everyone's house is a result of something that was funded by our defense budget years back... And with those aircraft you got to remember, with each one produced they actually get cheaper... And if you think those are expensive, look at our fleet of B2's. They cost so much we're afraid to use them, they need climate controlled hangers, and constant maintenance... Just TWO of them cost the same as a full blown Nimitz class Aircraft Carrier, and we have 20 The F-22 is a project that needs money though I think... Our F-16's and F-15's are old, some of them hitting 30 years.. the F-15's were first put into service in the mid 70's and are expected to go until close to 2030... The F-22 can do What an F-15 can, but better. It can also do what an F-117 could, but better. And with Iran and China now developing their own versions of the same type of aircraft, it makes sense to just put these into full blown production and get more of them Just to throw it into perspective. We spend less than 5% of our GDP on Defense. Our economy is Fucking HUGE. It's god damn ridiculous. So I'm sure there are PLENTY of other places to cut spending[/QUOTE] There is a massive difference between GDP and the Government's budget you do realize?
[QUOTE=Jenkem;27522265]Who gives you the right to determine whether something is valid or not?[/QUOTE] The validity of the idea, generally.
The teaching of reproduction is offensive to those who believe the Easter Bunny lays eggs, so they should at least teach the controversy.
Lets just stop funding everything in our entire country for a few years til we pay back that 14 trillion dollar debt.
Rand Paul also wants to get rid of the income tax. I think that's a good measure of how sound his ideas are.
cutting defense money i'm ok with
Because we totally don't need fighter planes. Just wait, when the next big war against an actual modern country comes up, we will be unprepared.
[QUOTE=5killer;27525392]Rand Paul also wants to get rid of the income tax. I think that's a good measure of how sound his ideas are.[/QUOTE] In exchange for an expanded national sales tax. Way to tell the whole story.
[QUOTE=Sector 7;27517423]I don't know enough about the Education dept. to say they don't need money, but I'm 100% behind cutting the military's budget. [b]Far[/b] too much money goes into useless pet projects like the F22/35.[/QUOTE] I was going to post exactly this. I have no issue whatsoever in gutting the defense budget. I'm not so enthusiastic about cutting education, but states mostly take care of that issue anyway. If I could just get the defense cut I'd be happy. [editline]19th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=BrickInHead;27524821]while i'm in favour of cutting defense spending, I find it funny how people completely ignore that it will also have pretty damaging effects cutting the defense budget so drastically is going to put a [I]shitload [/I]of people out of work; putting more strain on welfare and fucking up the job market even further. this would also affect numerous private corporations that are spread out throughout the US that develop weaponry and vehicles for the US military, ie Sikorsky etc[/QUOTE] People employed in the military were already destroying the economy. They get paid and bring in tons of money to the economy but they produce no goods at all. So now we have all this extra money floating around and fewer goods. Naturally prices go up (basic supply and demand) people stop buying shit, people lose jobs, etc. You can put a lot of blame on the current situation on the military. It's 100% inflationary.
Cut Defense Budget? [b]YES.[/b] Shut down Education Department? [b] HELL FUCKING NO. [/b]
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;27525628]Because we totally don't need fighter planes. Just wait, when the next big war against an actual modern country comes up, we will be unprepared.[/QUOTE] Just slightly upgraded variants of present 4/4.5 generation fighters are fine. The problem is that the aerospace industry doesn't see enough profit in doing so and makes up a bunch of excuses to justify the procurement of the F-22. Therefore, it's necessary for them to keep producing extremely complex and extremely expensive aircraft instead so that shareholders will high-five every time one is lost. Besides, as the United States military relies on control of the air so much, they need to seriously change their doctrine instead of being compliant with unrealistic environments that would not appear in a real, conventional theater war. Technical superiority is a secondary concern compared to how you (or would like to) fight.
Close down the Department of Education? Yes, because things were so much better when only rich white kids could go to school. What a fucking dumbass.
Do you know how inefficient the DOE is? The workers unions prevent shitty teachers from being fired because it will cause an uproar. So in turn you have a shit load of shitty teachers in a shit system therefore causing shit students. Shit.
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;27526746]Do you know how inefficient the DOE is? The workers unions prevent shitty teachers from being fired because it will cause an uproar. So in turn you have a shit load of shitty teachers in a shit system therefore causing shit students. Shit.[/QUOTE] But it's better than [i]no education whatsoever except for people that pay for private school[/i], which is what this idiot apparently wants.
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;27526746]Do you know how inefficient the DOE is? The workers unions prevent shitty teachers from being fired because it will cause an uproar. So in turn you have a shit load of shitty teachers in a shit system therefore causing shit students. Shit.[/QUOTE] Same thing with unions in Australia. They protect the worst, most incompetent teachers from being sacked via the incredibly long, drawn-out and hugely expensive process needed to be gone through which most schools simply can't afford. It drags the profession down.
Even tho Rand Paul is a loon I'm with cutting defense spending.
first proposal to cut the defense budget is a good one and probably the only sensible thing rand paul will ever think of
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;27527035]But it's better than [I]no education whatsoever except for people that pay for private school[/I], which is what this idiot apparently wants.[/QUOTE] All he's talking about is the federal department of education. The feds only fund 8% of the approximately 550 billion dollar education budget. I did a project on this shit. He's not talking about public education entirely.
we definitely need better public education
[QUOTE=RBM11;27529450]All he's talking about is the federal department of education. The feds only fund 8% of the approximately 550 billion dollar education budget. I did a project on this shit. He's not talking about public education entirely.[/QUOTE] States already can barely pay for their own education systems, a complete lack of federal funding, oversight, or regulation would essentially destroy the entire public education system. Also with decentralized education comes people in wealthy northern states receiving (relatively) good education and people in poor southern states being taught by their state-funded teachers that global warming is a lie, God made the earth in a week, and the founding fathers never did anything remotely bad.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;27527035]But it's better than [i]no education whatsoever except for people that pay for private school[/i], which is what this idiot apparently wants.[/QUOTE] I don't think you understand. Shutting down the DOE wouldn't get rid of public education. It would just decentralize the curriculum and whatnot, most likely to a state level. ninjad :ninja:
[QUOTE=Derubermensch;27530129]I don't think you understand. Shutting down the DOE wouldn't get rid of public education. It would just decentralize the curriculum and whatnot, most likely to a state level. ninjad :ninja:[/QUOTE] I stand by my position that the majority of the states would not be able to supply students with a competent education without federal funding and federal requirements. It may not bring an end to all public education, but it would destroy the system as we know it and leave us even further behind the rest of the world than we already are.
Public education hasn't taught me anything that Wikipedia couldn't.
[QUOTE=Derubermensch;27525759]In exchange for an expanded national sales tax. Way to tell the whole story.[/QUOTE] That's even worse Poor people spend proportionately more of their income on things than rich people do so sales taxes/VAT are a [b]regressive tax[/b] that hurts the poor more than the rich. It's backwards, which makes it the perfect libertarian ideology.
[QUOTE=Derubermensch;27525759]In exchange for an expanded national sales tax. Way to tell the whole story.[/QUOTE] i'm sorry but the fair tax is garbage [editline]19th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;27530226]Public education hasn't taught me anything that Wikipedia couldn't.[/QUOTE] i'd much rather have a teacher than read wikipedia articles on most subjects especially science [editline]19th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Uberman77883;27526746]Do you know how inefficient the DOE is? The workers unions prevent shitty teachers from being fired because it will cause an uproar. So in turn you have a shit load of shitty teachers in a shit system therefore causing shit students. Shit.[/QUOTE] so reform the fucking school system shutting down is not the only option
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;27530226]Public education hasn't taught me anything that Wikipedia couldn't.[/QUOTE] Because if there's one thing Public Education has taught me, it's that kids love learning!
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;27530226]Public education hasn't taught me anything that Wikipedia couldn't.[/QUOTE] Did you live in the state of denial?
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