Rand Paul Wants To Cut $500 billion By Cutting Defense, Shutting Down Education Dept.
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[QUOTE=Mingebox;27530468]Because if there's one thing Public Education has taught me, it's that kids love learning![/QUOTE]
Its not that kids hate learning its that school makes learning boring.
I will add that facepunch helped me learn how to spell better then school ever did because my teacher doesn't call me a retarded 12 year old when I forget to spell something right.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27530685]Its not that kids hate learning its that school makes learning boring.[/QUOTE]
Find a way to make learning consistently fun, and I will shake your hand at your Nobel Peace Prize award ceremony.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;27530743]Find a way to make learning consistently fun, and I will shake your hand at your Nobel Peace Prize award ceremony.[/QUOTE]
Hey I love science books, films movies and experiments. Instead of using repetition you can put something into someones head my making it memorable. Not to mention it would be cool if a teacher told you what this math problem does before telling you to add A to B.
Not to say that my plan will work but you know something is wrong when more then half of children come out of high school not believing or even knowing what evolution is or forgetting math a few yuears after finishing high school.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;27517403][url]http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47720.html[/url]
Seems reasonable, considering defense department has gotten away with wasting money on too much shit that serve no real purpose, meanwhile the Federal Education Department is pretty much redundant since every state already has a state level education department[/QUOTE]
Cutting defense when you're one of the most hated countries in the world isn't exactly the best idea.
Also with removal of a national standard, you run the risk of certain states to fall drastically behind and even start teaching things that shouldn't be in curriculum. This does lead to competition, but public education shouldn't be a competition, you don't want one state falling far behind.
College is a different thing though.
[QUOTE=Funcoot;27530929]Cutting defense when you're one of the most hated countries in the world isn't exactly the best idea.
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Its funny because the reason why we are so hated is because we spend so much time and money on are military.
[QUOTE=Funcoot;27530929]Cutting defense when you're one of the most hated countries in the world isn't exactly the best idea.
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Why might that be?
Really, what about us makes us the most hated country in the world?
It couldn't possibly be our enormous military that we use on everybody else. Nah, the rest of the world likes it when we fuck them in the ass.
and to think we're hated enough by any major military power for them to attack us is just a bunch of a bullshit
We should just dump all our military budget into R&D, so if we do get attacked, we'll fight back with our hovering Statue of Liberty heads that shoot lasers out of their eyes.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;27520043]I don't know... I just think there are many other ways to cut spending other than from our Defense and Education budgets. We're spending a whopping 1% of our GDP in Afghanistan... A lot of kick ass shit in everyone's house is a result of something that was funded by our defense budget years back... And with those aircraft you got to remember, with each one produced they actually get cheaper... And if you think those are expensive, look at our fleet of B2's. They cost so much we're afraid to use them, they need climate controlled hangers, and constant maintenance... Just TWO of them cost the same as a full blown Nimitz class Aircraft Carrier, and we have 20
The F-22 is a project that needs money though I think... Our F-16's and F-15's are old, some of them hitting 30 years.. the F-15's were first put into service in the mid 70's and are expected to go until close to 2030... The F-22 can do What an F-15 can, but better. It can also do what an F-117 could, but better. And with Iran and China now developing their own versions of the same type of aircraft, it makes sense to just put these into full blown production and get more of them
Just to throw it into perspective. We spend less than 5% of our GDP on Defense. Our economy is Fucking HUGE. It's god damn ridiculous. So I'm sure there are PLENTY of other places to cut spending[/QUOTE]
Comparing spending to GPD is a poor way of expressing just how much money is spent on defense. The more honest and useful comparison is to the total government spending each year. You'll then find defense spending is at least 60% of the total government expenditure annually.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;27530226]Public education hasn't taught me anything that Wikipedia couldn't.[/QUOTE]
Do you live in the south or inner city?
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;27534110]Do you live in the south or inner city?[/QUOTE]
I live in a rural area of northwest Illinois. Not the south, but not inner city either.
We had about 80 kids in my grade.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;27517403]the Federal Education Department is pretty much redundant since every state already has a state level education department[/QUOTE]
Except most schools need federal funding to function.
[QUOTE=Rautatie;27521632]I support the cut in defense budget, but not the abolishment of the Department of Education. It's a lot cheaper to educate the youth so they can get proper jobs than leave them uneducated and then pay them because they don't have a job.[/QUOTE]
But why should we have a redundant federal department when every state has a Education Department on their level, wouldn't it be better to send the federal tax dollars directly to those state departments than waste it at the federal level?
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[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;27522240]How about we eliminate state-based educational departments and centralize it federally? Pretty sure that would lead to much better standards.[/QUOTE]
No, because America isn't one homogeneous culture and doing that would piss off a lot of people
[QUOTE=Broseph_;27536043]But why should we have a redundant federal department when every state has a Education Department on their level, wouldn't it be better to send the federal tax dollars directly to those state departments than waste it at the federal level?[/quote]
I cant shake the feeling that as soon as that happens Kansas stops teaching evolution.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;27522337]your country has seperation of church and state in its constitution
teaching creationism in state schools is not seperation of church and state
ergo, you don't teach creationism in state schools[/QUOTE]
No it fucking doesn't for the five hundredth time or else 3 states wouldn't have had official religions for several decades after ratifying the constitution, it's like the right of privacy, both don't exist apart from a interpretation years after the passing that it does mean that
All it is a prohibition on the federal congress from making laws that prosecute a religion like the British prosecuted Protestants or attempt to create a federal religion like the Church of England
How ever, teaching creationism in schools is retarded
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[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27536161]I cant shake the feeling that as soon as that happens Kansas stops teaching evolution.[/QUOTE]
No, there's still the ACLU and the Courts, along with the fact the derp herp religious population has lost their majority years ago, now Mississippi might be different, also why exactly wouldn't we be able to withhold federal dollars from them like the Department of Transportation does when ever a state attempts to step out of line?
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[QUOTE=Tac Error;27522995]Everyone is getting stealth fighters? I didn't know that the first flight of the J-20 meant that they were going to see full-rate production in thirty seconds. By the time that they see full production (2020 proabably) the F-22 will be outdated. Might as well send F-4Es against MiG-29s in 1984.
Back in the 1980s the Department of Defense really hyped up the "fear" of the Soviet Union. In one of these editions they claimed that they had anti-aircraft lasers, anti-SDI platforms, the "Hokum in full production" and more shit to make the average American believe that the Soviets were twenty feet tall and were a dire threat to their existence.
[url]http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA152969&Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf[/url]
Are you really buying into the hype that the F-22 is some kind of super-fighter - a kind of wunderwaffe? That's what Lockheed Martin wants people to believe so they can crank out those fighters and receive the big bucks. Technical "superiority" can only get you so far. A smart enemy who knows the other's capabilities can very much defeat him with "inferior" equipment and methods.[/QUOTE]
Well apparently Lockheed hyped it up so much they shot their self in the foot considering congress considers it to be too MURRIKAH STRONG for export, effectively fucking them over in the meantime after congress kickbanned anymore orders
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[QUOTE=Habsburg;27522341]Hospitals don't help anyone then?[/QUOTE]
Not when people can't afford them
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[QUOTE=BrickInHead;27524821]while i'm in favour of cutting defense spending, I find it funny how people completely ignore that it will also have pretty damaging effects
cutting the defense budget so drastically is going to put a [I]shitload [/I]of people out of work; putting more strain on welfare and fucking up the job market even further. this would also affect numerous private corporations that are spread out throughout the US that develop weaponry and vehicles for the US military, ie Sikorsky etc[/QUOTE]
I think the money we can save killing all this shit with no real purpose and no financial oversight will more and likely save twice what we would have to pay for jobless benefits
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[QUOTE=5killer;27525392]Rand Paul also wants to get rid of the income tax. I think that's a good measure of how sound his ideas are.[/QUOTE]
Texas, Washington and Florida have no income tax, and they are doing just fine for much part
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;27522240]How about we eliminate state-based educational departments and centralize it federally? Pretty sure that would lead to much better standards.[/QUOTE]
You're serious?
That is the surest way to pervert a people into tyranny.
[QUOTE=Strider*;27537563]You're serious?
That is the surest way to pervert a people into tyranny.[/QUOTE]
You conservatives say that about national [i]everything[/i]
Healthcare, social security, government-run insurance
So excuse me if I don't listen to you when you say shit like this
[QUOTE=Zeke129;27537601]You conservatives say that about national [i]everything[/i]
Healthcare, social security, government-run insurance
So excuse me if I don't listen to you when you say shit like this[/QUOTE]
So because I apply that standard to everything you don't want to listen to me?
You're right I'm against big government in every aspect...
And stop using that fucking term "conservative" to describe me, I'm in no way a conservative or a liberal by American standards.
By the definition of the word however I am a liberal.
[QUOTE=Strider*;27537634]So because I apply that standard to everything you don't want to listen to me?
You're right I'm against big government in every aspect...
And stop using that fucking term "conservative" to describe me, I'm in no way a conservative or a liberal by American standards.
By the definition of the word however I am a liberal.[/QUOTE]
Your avatar seems incredibly appropriate at this moment. You mad?
[QUOTE=ChristopherB;27537714]Your avatar seems incredibly appropriate at this moment. You mad?[/QUOTE]
Yep.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;27537601]You conservatives say that about national [i]everything[/i]
Healthcare, social security, government-run insurance
So excuse me if I don't listen to you when you say shit like this[/QUOTE]
That's usually because if a state wants to be derp herp you can move to a less retarded state, but once that herp derp gets to the federal level you are fucked
[QUOTE=Strider*;27537634]So because I apply that standard to everything you don't want to listen to me?
You're right I'm against big government in every aspect...
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"big government" and "small government" are such vague terms that you cannot claim to be 100 percent an adherent of one or the other without being either a crazy or inconsistent
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[QUOTE=Broseph_;27537720]That's usually because if a state wants to be derp herp you can move to a less retarded state, but once that herp derp gets to the federal level you are fucked[/QUOTE]
the people who are screwed over the most by crappy schools are too poor to move on a whim
[QUOTE=Zeke129;27537601]You conservatives say that about national [i]everything[/i]
Healthcare, social security, government-run insurance
So excuse me if I don't listen to you when you say shit like this[/QUOTE]
Strange why do they think businesses are nicer then government?
[QUOTE=Strider*;27537563]You're serious?
That is the surest way to pervert a people into tyranny.[/QUOTE]
*US education system is obviously broken*
*proposal to fix it*
then you come in and say it will pervert people into tyranny
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I think there's a fucking tyranny of Christianity in the system, why don't we stop that.
[QUOTE=ChristopherB;27533461]Comparing spending to GPD is a poor way of expressing just how much money is spent on defense. The more honest and useful comparison is to the total government spending each year. You'll then find defense spending is at least 60% of the total government expenditure annually.[/QUOTE]
I was just explaining how much money there is in our economy. There are FuckTons of other places to cut spending before cutting it from something that's actually useful
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27537747]Strange why do they think businesses are nicer then government?[/QUOTE]
Because businesses can't use force against me.
Such a hard concept huh..
slashing federal education budgets, making it so that the poor living poor states can't ever improve their station in life with education: good country
asking for rich people to pay slightly more in taxes: tyranny!
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[QUOTE=Strider*;27537794]Because businesses can't use force against me.
Such a hard concept huh..[/QUOTE]
businesses can certainly affect your life in other ways. I seem to recall, just a year or two ago, poor decisions made by just a few businesses causing everyone in the country, even people who had never heard of them, to suffer economically
[QUOTE=Habsburg;27537771]*US education system is obviously broken*
*proposal to fix it*
then you come in and say it will pervert people into tyranny
[editline]19th January 2011[/editline]
I think there's a fucking tyranny of Christianity in the system, why don't we stop that.[/QUOTE]
Because people have the freedom to follow their religion.
I'm arguing against the proposal to fix it not the fact that there was a proposal in itself.
I'm not even for state public education, I'm against public education all together.
[QUOTE=Strider*;27537820]
I'm not even for state public education, I'm against public education all together.[/QUOTE]
oh well you're beyond saving then
[editline]19th January 2011[/editline]
that is ludicrous. you have gone so far down the hole that you can't see how far you've fallen anymore
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;27537811]slashing federal education budgets, making it so that the poor living poor states can't ever improve their station in life with education: good country
asking for rich people to pay slightly more in taxes: tyranny!
[editline]19th January 2011[/editline]
businesses can certainly effect your life in other ways. I seem to recall, just a year or two ago, poor decisions made by just a few businesses causing everyone in the country to suffer economically[/QUOTE]
And they should be prosecuted like an individual would be..
The problem with the way we treat business is we don't hold it accountable to the standards we hold our citizens to.
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