• Rand Paul Wants To Cut $500 billion By Cutting Defense, Shutting Down Education Dept.
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i mean you've reached the point where your libertarian economic theory has become so distanced from reality that reality can no longer be used to right it
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;27537829]oh well you're beyond saving then [editline]19th January 2011[/editline] that is ludicrous. you have gone so far down the hole that you can't see how far you've fallen anymore[/QUOTE] And that is what has consistently been said of every great man who once existed on this earth. I'm not ashamed that you feel that way.
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;27537722]"big government" and "small government" are such vague terms that you cannot claim to be 100 percent an adherent of one or the other without being either a crazy or inconsistent [editline]19th January 2011[/editline] the people who are screwed over the most by crappy schools are too poor to move on a whim[/QUOTE] And I should care about Jim Bob McChristian and Jamal Tyone Williams exactly why again? Me and my family managed climb out of poverty and into the Middle Class, so why should I give a fuck they are incapable or unwilling to in order to move out of their shitty state?
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;27537842]i mean you've reached the point where your libertarian economic theory has become so distanced from reality that reality can no longer be used to right it[/QUOTE] I don't think so.
[QUOTE=Strider*;27537820]Because people have the freedom to follow their religion. I'm arguing against the proposal to fix it not the fact that there was a proposal in itself. I'm not even for state public education, I'm against public education all together.[/QUOTE] You can follow whatever bloody religion you want just don't pretend that creationism is real.
[QUOTE=Strider*;27537853]I don't think so.[/QUOTE] it's true. the ways in which any functioning society relies on public education are innumerable and undeniable. the only countries without public schools are wartorn countries in africa.
[QUOTE=Strider*;27537846]And that is what has consistently been said of every great man who once existed on this earth. I'm not ashamed that you feel that way.[/QUOTE] "delusions of grandeur" should be your title
[QUOTE=Habsburg;27537859]You can follow whatever bloody religion you want just don't pretend that creationism is real.[/QUOTE] It is their right to "pretend" that. And if they wish to teach their youth that then they should seek out private education .. I agree with you. [editline]20th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;27537864]it's true. the ways in which any functioning society relies on public education are innumerable and undeniable. the only countries without public schools are wartorn countries in africa.[/QUOTE] Does that make them okay? Also most of the world is living their lives in tyranny.. is that proof that humans should live under such conditions?
[QUOTE=Strider*;27537794]Because businesses can't use force against me. Such a hard concept huh..[/QUOTE] They could indirectly. In a way walmart makes its employees work long hours without health coverage because they bought everything else up. In a way you are forced to work longer in order to buy expensive gas because gas companies put pressure on renewable energy.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;27537850]And I should care about Jim Bob McChristian and Jamal Tyone Williams exactly why again? Me and my family managed climb out of poverty and into the Middle Class, so why should I give a fuck they are incapable or unwilling to in order to move out of their shitty state?[/QUOTE] maybe it's because your economic well-being, ultimately, relies on the economic well-being of your society as a whole? You are not a self-made man, no one except feral children living in the woods, eating bark are self-made. You rely on the support of society in ways that you are apparently unaware of.
[QUOTE=Habsburg;27537866]"delusions of grandeur" should be your title[/QUOTE] Make it happen capn.
[QUOTE=Strider*;27537846]And that is what has consistently been said of every great man who once existed on this earth. I'm not ashamed that you feel that way.[/QUOTE] hate to break it to you but delusions of grandeur are a sign of mental illness
[QUOTE=Strider*;27537794]Because businesses can't use force against me. Such a hard concept huh..[/QUOTE] also why do you think that one day the government is going to go fascist on you. at least they have a constitution unlike businesses.
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;27537878]maybe it's because your economic well-being, ultimately, relies on the economic well-being of the society as a whole? unless you're going to tell me that some orphan in darfur just needs to work harder and he'll succeed some day![/QUOTE] Right and what promotes the economic well being of every single person in a society? What allows them to make something of themselves and achieve greatness unburdened? What then through their own self interest benefits the rest of society as a whole? Free unaltered, uncorrupted, laissez-faire capitalism.
[QUOTE=Strider*;27537879]Make it happen capn.[/QUOTE] no one's gonna waste 20 dollars on you i mean, glaber? he's a certified dumbass you're just a dumbass [editline]20th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Strider*;27537894]Right and what promotes the economic well being of every single person in a society? What allows them to make something of themselves and achieve greatness unburdened? What then through their own self interest benefits the rest of society as a whole? Free unaltered, uncorrupted, laissez-faire capitalism.[/QUOTE] Yeah, those rich Wall Street bankers gambling on mortgage debt really helped the rest of society, right?
[QUOTE=Prismatex;27537884]hate to break it to you but delusions of grandeur are a sign of mental illness[/QUOTE] I believe every man is great and capable of greatness. That's the difference between me and those who don't strive for perfection.
[QUOTE=Strider*;27537911]I believe every man is great and capable of greatness. That's the difference between me and those who don't strive for perfection.[/QUOTE] i strive for perfection in places other than an internet forum
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27537893]also why do you think that one day the government is going to go fascist on you. at least they have a constitution unlike businesses.[/QUOTE] But a business can't go fascist on me, if the government like their intended function... protect me. That is why business and government should hardly ever mix. Do you think corporations obtain power through lack of regulation?
Think about it a company can be even scarier then the government. A companies main job is to make money. I know libertarians have this vote with your wallet thing but sadly when your poor you have to shop at walmart.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;27537778]I was just explaining how much money there is in our economy. There are FuckTons of other places to cut spending before cutting it from something that's actually useful[/QUOTE] The DoD has historically produced quite a bunch of useless contraptions that were giant money sinks. Ever heard of the Sergeant York DIVAD system? How about the A-12 or the MBT-70? We have seen the Defense Department outright cancel things that are cheap and useful like the FOG-M and let bloated projects grow until they become too costly to continue.
[QUOTE=Strider*;27537894]Right and what promotes the economic well being of every single person in a society? What allows them to make something of themselves and achieve greatness unburdened? What then through their own self interest benefits the rest of society as a whole? Free unaltered, uncorrupted, laissez-faire capitalism.[/QUOTE] except that a totally capitalist society is a zero-sum game. In order for someone to be rich, many other people must be poor. But there being rich people does not cause people to impoverish themselves of their own free will, which means that, in a totally capitalist society, for there to be rich people, there must be economic oppression of some people. [editline]20th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Strider*;27537911]I believe every man is great and capable of greatness. That's the difference between me and those who don't strive for perfection.[/QUOTE] don't talk so airly about yourself. don't be such a typical randroid
[QUOTE=Strider*;27537928]Do you think corporations obtain power through lack of regulation?[/QUOTE] yes. But I dont think that giving the government the ability to handle health care will make them go nuts with power. I mean I could be called an anarchist but I know in the capitalist system the government is going to take more time to slit my thought then a business.
[QUOTE=Prismatex;27537921]i strive for perfection in places other than an internet forum[/QUOTE] As do I but to make the claim that I'm delusional because I know I am great is superfluous, as no one knows me as well as I know myself. [editline]20th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;27537935]except that a totally capitalist society is a zero-sum game. In order for someone to be rich, many other people must be poor. But there being rich people does not cause people to impoverish themselves of their own free will, which means that, in a totally capitalist society, for there to be rich people, there must be economic oppression of some people. [editline]20th January 2011[/editline] don't talk so airly about yourself. don't be such a typical randroid[/QUOTE] "Life is zero sum-game" is one of the most evil statements ever spoken. It is not true that for someone to be rich one must be poor. Why can we not judge the standards of the past to define our current economic status? Is it not true that we are all living in better conditions because of capitalism? Life will always readjust itself into the high, the middle, and the low.. the greatest aspect of capitalist society is your ability to work your way up.
[QUOTE=Strider*;27537950]As do I but to make the claim that I'm delusional because I know I am great is superfluous, as no one knows me as well as I know myself.[/QUOTE] Im just going to say you took a big whiff of libertarian propaganda. individuals work best when working together.
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;27537878]maybe it's because your economic well-being, ultimately, relies on the economic well-being of your society as a whole? You are not a self-made man, no one except feral children living in the woods, eating bark are self-made. You rely on the support of society in ways that you are apparently unaware of.[/QUOTE] Society didn't give a damn about me being in poverty stuck living in some backwoods without power in a old trailer for over a year, so what exactly are you trying to say?
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27537985]Im just going to say you took a big whiff of libertarian propaganda. individuals work best when working together.[/QUOTE] Team work is a great concept. Individuals working in the interests of someone else however NEVER work as well as someone who works in the interest of himself. I don't live for other people.
[QUOTE=Strider*;27537950]As do I but to make the claim that I'm delusional because I know I am great is superfluous, as no one knows me as well as I know myself.[/QUOTE] if you'd ever studied psychology you'd know that the worst possible judge of a person is themselves [editline]20th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Strider*;27538001]Team work is a great concept. Individuals working in the interests of someone else however NEVER work as well as someone who works in the interest of himself.[/QUOTE] then why did society itself evolve? why did the first cities spring from the desert? why is humankind a social animal rather than a territorial one like siberian tigers? why is empathy hardwired into our brains? huh, perhaps because there is such a thing as a communal interest? maybe it's possible that, by helping someone else, you can help yourself?
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;27538007]if you'd ever studied psychology you'd know that the worst possible judge of a person is themselves[/QUOTE] I disagree. Perhaps from a perspective. But only I exist in this head of mine.
[QUOTE=Strider*;27538001]Team work is a great concept. Individuals working in the interests of someone else however NEVER work as well as someone who works in the interest of himself. I don't live for other people.[/QUOTE] Im sorry but it sounds like Im speaking to Rand herself. Studies show that people dont work harder when they have a monetary interest but in fact hate the thing they are doing more and work less hard. Also why must helping other hurt you? solving cancer would help you too. Allowing kids to become smart will make better doctors to help you when your old. The less poor people there are the less chance im getting mugged. you forget that we all live in a system and everything effects you in some way.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27538062]Im sorry but it sounds like Im speaking to Rand herself. Studies show that people dont work harder when they have a monetary interest but in fact hate the thing they are doing more and work less hard. Also why must helping other hurt you? solving cancer would help you too. Allowing kids to become smart will make better doctors to help you when your old. The less poor people there are the less chance im getting mugged. you forget that we all live in a system and everything effects you in some way.[/QUOTE] But society can't choose for me what is good ,what route we must follow, and then force me down on the train with them. Consult Nazi Germany for more on why that's wrong. I am in no obligation to help other people, that doesn't mean I SHOULDN'T help other people, but it means that I can't be force to. Besides do you think promoting for example socialism will lead to the greatest good for all?
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