Nigel Farage backpedals already, disowns Leave campaign pledge of £350M for NHS
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[QUOTE=Wii60;50583643]if you go to [URL="voteleavetakecontrol.org"]voteleavetakecontrol.org[/URL] (the website on that guys podium) , the fuckin bus is on the only image on the page
[t]http://i.imgur.com/xwfGmzK.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
seems awfully sardonic how they bold "[B]this is your victory[/B]"
nobody sensible would vote leave. what a shambles
good thing i'm always 20mins from ireland.
[QUOTE=Megadave;50583625]I just hate it when people think they know better and call the other people retarded. With your type of people it's like there's only one good side to everything and everyone else is a retard.[/QUOTE]
There IS only one good side to this. The leave campaign lied out of their ass to get this result, there's no real positive gains to the UK if they leave, and this could make basically all of Europe less competitive on the world stage on top of being less than good for the UK.
If a huge portion of UKs vote to leave the UK because of [B]emotional appeals from the leave campaign[/B] ("take control" "give the money to the NHS also sorry we won't give the money to the NHS" "lets be free from the clutches of the EU") [B]instead of facts[/B] then yeah, I fucking call them retarded, as they damn well deserve.
[QUOTE=.Lain;50583659]nobody sensible would vote leave. what a shambles
good thing i'm always 20mins from ireland.[/QUOTE]
Have the boys in green fix the country.
Really this referendum should never of gone ahead based upon the deceitful nature of the campaigns
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;50583648]You'd have to be retarded to believe the lies that the leave campaign spouted, and you'd have to be retarded to believe that Trump would make a better president than Hillary.[/QUOTE]
Well yeah, but you don't have to be retarded to want to leave the EU. Under the right reasons, leaving the EU could be a great thing in the long run for the UK people, handled by the right people. If the UK people can prevent Farage or those other asshats from gaining control this can be alright.
Farage should of never said such claims since he's a MEP and not a MP
So, while I think leaving the EU is not the retarded thing to do, perhaps believing Farage is quite the Down Syndrome thing to believe in.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;50583079]He's just being realistic, because it's not up to him how the 350 Billion will be redistributed in the Government Budget, that's for Parliament to apportion.
Also that bus only said it should be redirected to the NHS, it never said it will be.[/QUOTE]Yeah that doesn't make it okay and running off of that the party shouldn't have made that promise to get people's votes. Any way you cut it that's an underhanded move, [I]we[/I] ought to recognize that shit because it's the bait and switch bullshit Democrats and Republicans pull all the goddamn time. I know I do. I was born and raised in Minnesota, I'm still here, but if I feel like I want to kick this frog-looking motherfucker down a flight of stairs right now I can't even imagine the anger I'd feel if I were actually British.
Yeah, I get that he's not actually able to up and declare that money is going to the NHS but if the head honcho is saying "oh, no, we never said that" then you can bet your sweet ass everyone under him is going to say the same shit [I]and act accordingly.[/I] That's how parties work after all, and if that happens here with our strict separation of powers then it sure as hell can happen over there.
[QUOTE=Killuah;50583317]Friendly reminder that the last two big pro-leave posters here had a meltdown and didn't even understand how percentages work[/QUOTE]Without fail you say some smug, yet irrelevant, bullshit about other people who aren't even here to defend themselves in yet another thread. Real cool, Killuah.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;50583291]I don't think you can realistically put slightly more than half a country's population into prison[/QUOTE]
Dont think farage is half od the population mate idk might just be me though
[QUOTE=Wii60;50583643]if you go to [URL="voteleavetakecontrol.org"]voteleavetakecontrol.org[/URL] (the website on that guys podium) , the fuckin bus is on the only image on the page
[t]http://i.imgur.com/xwfGmzK.jpg[/t]
(archived for future refrence: [url]https://archive.is/ri1bZ[/url] )[/QUOTE]
Erm... Why does that bus say £50 million when all the images say £350 million?
[QUOTE=TheCactusman;50584022]Erm... Why does that bus say £50 million when all the images say £350 million?[/QUOTE]
That one says £50mill/ day, the other ones say £350mill/ week :)
(I did a double take after you pointed it out though)
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50583963]Yeah that doesn't make it okay and running off of that the party shouldn't have made that promise to get people's votes. Any way you cut it that's an underhanded move, [I]we[/I] ought to recognize that shit because it's the bait and switch bullshit Democrats and Republicans pull all the goddamn time. I know I do. I was born and raised in Minnesota, I'm still here, but if I feel like I want to kick this frog-looking motherfucker down a flight of stairs right now I can't even imagine the anger I'd feel if I were actually British.
Yeah, I get that he's not actually able to up and declare that money is going to the NHS but if the head honcho is saying "oh, no, we never said that" then you can bet your sweet ass everyone under him is going to say the same shit [I]and act accordingly.[/I] That's how parties work after all, and if that happens here with our strict separation of powers then it sure as hell can happen over there.
Without fail you say some smug, yet irrelevant, bullshit about other people who aren't even here to defend themselves in yet another thread. Real cool, Killuah.[/QUOTE]
So far I've heard nothing but unbased, stupid feel-good claims by leavers if you prefer that I don't concentrate on users
[editline]24th June 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=TheCactusman;50584022]Erm... Why does that bus say £50 million when all the images say £350 million?[/QUOTE]
A day
Per Week
[QUOTE=Killuah;50584073]So far I've heard nothing but unbased, stupid feel-good claims by leavers if you prefer that I don't concentrate on users[/QUOTE]Actually I'd just prefer if you stopped the inflammatory, passive-aggressive behavior and the underhanded comments so if you could do that I think it would be just peachy.
I'd be glad to stop that when presented with anything substantial but "the immigrants" and "it'll work out ... somehow".
[QUOTE=Megadave;50583625]I just hate it when people think they know better and call the other people retarded. With your type of people it's like there's only one good side to everything and everyone else is a retard.[/QUOTE]
some opinions are wrong. its a hard fact to swallow, but if you believe certain things, youre simply wrong.
[QUOTE=Killuah;50584152]I'd be glad to stop that when presented with anything substantial but "the immigrants" and "it'll work out ... somehow".[/QUOTE]Right, so really what you're saying is, "yeah you caught me being naughty but I don't want to admit it, so I'll say they started it first."
That is fucking immature, you're an adult aren't you? Act like one. I only replied because you dedicated an entire post to give everyone a "friendly reminder" presumably to shame people who weren't even here anyway so it served absolutely no purpose. You're just being mean and spiteful to people who [I]may very well regret their decision, if they even voted at all.[/I]
Oh, and if you want something "substantial" (that you'll disregard anyway, calling it right now) here's something to chew on: some people may very well have voted to move money toward the NHS and that's [I]precisely[/I] what this thread is about. Being politically opposed to the EU (there's legitimate criticisms for it, you know) and also worrying about the funding for national healthcare could have been more than enough for a lot of voters, but it's truly impossible to say for sure and I'm sure as hell not going to presume for the British public and neither should you. I can imagine though that the push for federalization in the EU and dialogue over merging military forces would scare the hell out of anyone concerned over misuse of the British armed forces and belligerence in foreign policy. There's real reasons to not like the EU, [I]I don't like the EU and I'm an American,[/I] so saying it's all about immigrants is disingenuous bullshit.
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;50584168]some opinions are wrong. its a hard fact to swallow, but if you believe certain things, youre simply wrong.[/QUOTE]
Now that would be true, if I asked about murder, and if it should be legal. If people said yes, then those opinions are wrong for preservation issues. However, this is like saying "Do I want an orange or an apple". And just an FYI, neither choice makes you a retard.
So stop calling people retards alright? If you have to descend to calling people retards, you have no place in Politics, and should not have a vote.
[QUOTE=dingusnin;50584276]Now that would be true, if I asked about murder, and if it should be legal. If people said yes, then those opinions are wrong for preservation issues. However, this is like saying "Do I want an orange or an apple". And just an FYI, neither choice makes you a retard.
So stop calling people retards alright? If you have to descend to calling people retards, you have no place in Politics, and should not have a vote.[/QUOTE]
How about naive/ignorant. How about malleable. Credulous?
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50584284]How about naive/ignorant. How about malleable. Credulous?[/QUOTE]
'Deceived' seems like a good adjective here, judging by what I've seen of the discrepancies between the promo material and reality and/or mathematics.
As far as I can tell it was really quite hard to actually get an informed opinion here (barring a few of the more outrageous things people have claimed here on FP that are just plain illogical).
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50584260]
Oh, and if you want something "substantial" (that you'll disregard anyway, calling it right now) here's something to chew on: some people may very well have voted to move money toward the NHS and that's [I]precisely[/I] what this thread is about. Being politically opposed to the EU (there's legitimate criticisms for it, you know) and also worrying about the funding for national healthcare could have been more than enough for a lot of voters, but it's truly impossible to say for sure and I'm sure as hell not going to presume for the British public and neither should you. I can imagine though that the push for federalization in the EU and dialogue over merging military forces would scare the hell out of anyone concerned over misuse of the British armed forces and belligerence in foreign policy. There's real reasons to not like the EU, [I]I don't like the EU and I'm an American,[/I] so saying it's all about immigrants is disingenuous bullshit.[/QUOTE]
Yeah you are right this thread is about moving money to the NHS which turned out is not going to happen.
I don't question good intentions but willfully ignoring facts and how utterly riddiculous the stuff you believed in is nothing but idiocy, even if for a good intention.
Legitimate criticism for the EU is needed. A lot of stuff goes wrong. But the problems the leavers want to fix are not due to "them immigrants" or "sovereignity" or "free Britain", the problems are due to turbocapitalism, greed, weapon deals, war mongering, environmental problems and the likes.
And these are all problems that the "leave" campaign is actually going to further.
The leave actually makes it HARDER to fix these issues.
So excuse me when I call the pro-leave preople idiotic when every argument I've seen so far is utterly idiotic and focusing on the wrong, polemic issues.
I think a lot of people just have too much pride to admit they're wrong and will go to any lengths to defend a person who has cheated them despite knowing full well they've been cheated
its what allows liars to get back into parliament over and over and over again
How long till [URL="http://illuminatisymbols.info/wp-content/uploads/illuminati-symbols-V-For-Vendetta-nosfire-nazi.jpg"]Norsefire [/URL]becomes a fucking reality?
[QUOTE=Killuah;50584388]Legitimate criticism for the EU is needed. A lot of stuff goes wrong. But the problems the leavers want to fix are not due to "them immigrants" or "sovereignity" or "free Britain", the problems are due to turbocapitalism, greed, weapon deals, war mongering, environmental problems and the likes.[/QUOTE]Sounds to me like you're focusing on slogans and not on what might be going through people's minds, which is what pushes my goddamn buttons because while you talk about people's good intentions with one breath you call them idiots in another. Hell, that's not even what I was talking about either:
[QUOTE]So excuse me when I call the pro-leave preople idiotic when every argument I've seen so far is utterly idiotic and focusing on the wrong, polemic issues.[/QUOTE]Yeah, you're not getting excused on this one. I could at least somewhat understand you blatantly insulting people when they say something, but what provoked my response was your "friendly reminder" about two people whom you claim had "a meltdown" and couldn't "even understand how percentages work." That's not picking out a flaw in somebody's argument, that's not even [I]responding[/I] to anything, it's just vain, petty bullshit that isn't necessary or warranted. On top of that I gave you some good goddamn arguments that focus on real issues and real concerns, you even conceded as much, and with a wave of your hand you dismissed it and supplanted them with bullshit rhetoric. I'm going to flat-out say it, not everyone who supported leaving cares about immigrants, I personally know one person who voted because they believed UKIP's "promise" to divert funds to the NHS. I don't care if this upsets you or makes you mad or hell, I don't even care if it brings you to tears, but there's at least [I]one person[/I] out there who voted that way for a good reason. (even though I think it's dumb, I have sympathy for their reasoning) I'm going to make you [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1521699&p=50478366&viewfull=1#post50478366]eat[/url] [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1521699&p=50478408&viewfull=1#post50478408]your[/url] [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1521699&p=50478569&viewfull=1#post50478569]words[/url] and remind you that precision of language is important and generalizing an entire group of people is something that you specifically don't like; you're doing it with "pro-leave" voters regardless of whatever reasons or opinions they may or may not have.
[editline]24th June 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=killerteacup;50584414]I think a lot of people just have too much pride to admit they're wrong and will go to any lengths to defend a person who has cheated them despite knowing full well they've been cheated
its what allows liars to get back into parliament over and over and over again[/QUOTE]You're absolutely right, that's what's really fucking up the political process in my country and it's a shame to see it happen elsewhere. Yeah it's sad to see people be so goddamn stubborn no matter how you approach it, (I can be stubborn myself sometimes, I'm not above that) but most of all it's just frustrating and exhausting.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;50583079]He's just being realistic, because it's not up to him how the 350 Billion will be redistributed in the Government Budget, that's for Parliament to apportion.
Also that bus only said it should be redirected to the NHS, it never said it will be.[/QUOTE]
It will end up being used to pay the EU for whatever we end up with.
I adressed those points you gave, NHS issue turned out to be a big fat lie that anyone actually thinking about what they read could see through.
That doesn't make me mad at all, you are the one talking about "pushing my goddamn buttons"
I am sure that a lot of people voted leave for good reasons but at the end of the day it's an uninformed, stupid decission and I'm not gonna step back on calling it what it is because people had the best intentions.
And even those "best intentions" are questionable.
[QUOTE=Killuah;50584756]I adressed those points you gave, NHS issue turned out to be a big fat lie that anyone actually thinking about what they read could see through.[/QUOTE]Hindsight is 20/20, etc
[QUOTE]That doesn't make me mad at all, you are the one talking about "pushing my goddamn buttons"[/QUOTE]Yeah, because it's hypocritical. You're acting like your shit doesn't stink and now you're starting your usual redirection tactics and pointing to [I]my[/I] emotions to cover up [I]your[/I] own faults.
[QUOTE]I am sure that a lot of people voted leave for good reasons but at the end of the day it's an uninformed, stupid decission and I'm not gonna step back on calling it what it is because people had the best intentions.[/QUOTE]Second verse same as the first: that's not what you did earlier,[QUOTE=Killuah;50583317]Friendly reminder that the last two big pro-leave posters here had a meltdown and didn't even understand how percentages work[/QUOTE]You're trying to turn condescending, underhanded bullshit into an argument and I'm not buying it.
[QUOTE]And even those "best intentions" are questionable.[/QUOTE]These statements? Yeah, they're not helping. Actually they're hurting. A lot. It's snide, spiteful remarks like this that push people into defensive, emotional frames of mind and they [I]vote accordingly.[/I] When you browbeat somebody so much that they shut off all reason to keep your bullying out you've made an extremist and no, you don't get to complain when they act out on it. You're the one who was blaming the US for essentially growing ISIS (I'm doing a solid by not dredging your posts up again) and I'm sure you've had a hand in pushing somebody on the fence to the other side. So when a neutral third party comes along and says, "hey asshole, don't do this because you're actually hurting yourself," don't argue with him; he's trying to keep you from shooting yourself in the foot.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50584877]Hindsight is 20/20, [/QUOTE]
Dude we had people disspelling this number for the last MONTHS
Not like it matters now, you reap what you fucking sow so hopefully next time you'll skip shaming people and trying to one-up them in internet arguments with other equally stupid emotional tactics.
[editline]This is spiraling off-topic[/editline]
Oh hey, the merge broke in a perfect way. Oh well, if that's all you're going to offer in response and [U]not[/U] acknowledge that you might have done something wrong then I see no point in continuing this. I said my peace: take or leave it, deal with it, I really don't care. PM me if you want to talk some more.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50584877] You're acting like your shit doesn't stink and now you're starting your usual redirection tactics and pointing to [I]my[/I] emotions to cover up [I]your[/I] own faults.
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Erm. This was a response to
[quote] I don't care if this upsets you or makes you mad or hell,[/quote]
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