• Heavy fighting breaks out between Russia and Ukraine on Twitter
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[QUOTE=nulls;52295865]Let me guess, Putin personally hacked Hillary's emails too? [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion#References"]Here's roughly 80 other sources on the Azov Battalion as well. Enjoy.[/URL][/QUOTE] why didn't you link the rest of the wikipedia page? you seriously can't be so incredibly stupid that you'd think that you'd get away with quoting the only parts that you like, right? [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Chossudovsky[/url] [quote]Since 2001, he has been the president and director of the Centre for Research on Globalization, which publishes pieces viewed as conspiracy theories and fake news.[/quote] [quote]In 1993, Chossudovsky wrote an article in The New York Times saying that Boris Yeltsin's neoliberal reforms and privatization policies would lead to disaster.[10] He has also contributed to the French magazine Le Monde diplomatique and, more recently, to RT (formerly known as Russia Today), and has been interviewed on Iran's Press TV. Chossudovsky was interviewed in the documentary film The Weight of Chains, which the Centre for Research on Globalization amongst others sponsored. In 2014, he was awarded the Gold Medal of Merit by the government of Serbia.[/quote] [quote]In 2005, Chossudovsky published the book America's "War on Terrorism". According to the New York Times, the "conspiracy-minded book... argued that the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks were simply a pretext for American incursions into the Middle East, and that Bin Laden was nothing but a boogeyman created by the United States". The book was found in the bookshelf in Osama bin Laden's compound Abbottabad, Pakistan. According to Vox, the book's theory is that "9/11 was a United States government conspiracy to start the Iraq War and enable a "new world order" to help corporate interests. Bin Laden was, at best, a pawn in CIA interests."[/quote] [quote]Centre for Research on Globalization is known to promote conspiracy theories and falsehoods. According to PolitiFact, the Centre "has advanced specious conspiracy theories on topics like 9/11, vaccines and global warming." Foreign Policy notes that the Centre "sells books and videos that 'expose' how the September 11 terrorist attacks were 'most likely a special covert action' to 'further the goals of corporate globalization.'" A 2010 study categorized the website as a source of anti-vaccine misinformation. An Atlantic Council fellow has described it as "pro-Putin and anti-NATO". The Jewish Tribune described the Centre as being "rife with anti-Jewish conspiracy theory and Holocaust denial." The Centre has promoted the Irish slavery myth, which prompted a letter by more than 80 scholars debunking the myth. Writing for the New Republic, Muhammad Idrees Ahmad, Lecturer in Digital Journalism at the University of Stirling, describes the Centre's website as a "conspiracy site". In 2017, the Centre published a piece alleging that the Khan Shaykhun chemical attack, which the international human rights organizations and governments of the United States, United Kingdom, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, France, and Israel attribute to the Bashar al-Assad regime, was a “false flag” operation orchestrated by “terrorists” opposed to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.[/quote] ghost656 never even denied azov bat's existence, so what are you even going on about? a militia of a few thousand which was temporarily integrated into the ukrainian NG to fight an invading force isn't representative of a national army of a hundreds of thousands of men
[QUOTE=Jund;52296024]why didn't you link the rest of the wikipedia page? you seriously can't be so incredibly stupid that you'd think that you'd get away with quoting the only parts that you like, right? [/QUOTE] Because we're discussing the nation the site is based in. Therefore, I included relevant info. By all means, feel free to skim through the 84 sources under references until you find a source that you agree with. [QUOTE] ghost656 never even denied azov bat's existence, so what are you even going on about? [/QUOTE] When you disregard the fact that there is a nazi military unit fighting alongside the Ukranian government because the site the picture of said unit is hosted on, it's going to raise a few eyebrows. [QUOTE] a militia of a few thousand which was temporarily integrated into the ukrainian NG to fight an invading force isn't representative of a national army of a hundreds of thousands of men[/QUOTE] What gives you the impression it's a temporary unit? They are still active under the Ukranian NG. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/TrLT178.jpg[/IMG]
This whole argument is missing the forest for the trees: The government of Ukraine giving far-right Nazi parties any measure of power is obviously bad but that is no reason for Russia to invade and annex Ukraine through separatist proxies. It's like arguing that America is justified in its annexation of Baja California because of the cartels. A countries internal politics is very rarely a reason to go to war with them, much less a reason to foment war in the pursuit of a land grab to achieve strategic military goals.
[QUOTE=nulls;52296116]Because we're discussing the nation the site is based in. Therefore, I included relevant info. By all means, feel free to skim through the 84 sources under references until you find a source that you agree with. When you disregard the fact that there is a nazi military unit fighting alongside the Ukranian government because the site the picture of said unit is hosted on, it's going to raise a few eyebrows. What gives you the impression it's a temporary unit? They are still active under the Ukranian NG.[/QUOTE] kremlin propoganda doesn't mean it's based in russia you dolt. do nazis only exist in germany? there are rabid trump supporters who never even set foot on US soil he's not disregarding anything. he's pointing out that russian shills like you decry ukrainian propaganda (on account of it being propoganda and not because it's ukrainian) but some propaganda comes out that's pro-russian and you eat that shit right up [img]http://puu.sh/w6SK6/4e9707776e.PNG[/img] what a pointless reply. froztshock says that russian media is blowing the influence of ukrainian neo-nazis out of proportion, and you reply by giving us images of ukrainian neo-nazis (which no one even denied to existence of) taken from a russian media mouthpiece... in order to try to blow the influence of ukrainian neo-nazis out of proportion. good job Ghosts656's point is that showing a few images of a neo-nazi militia isn't nearly enough to come to the conclusion that the ukrainian government is controlled by neo-nazis, like Melnek claims it is and no shit they're still active. is russia still in the ukraine?
[QUOTE=nulls;52295865]Let me guess, Putin personally hacked Hillary's emails too? [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion#References"]Here's roughly 80 other sources on the Azov Battalion as well. Enjoy.[/URL][/QUOTE] Are you unaware propaganda can be spread through "independent" journalists and media organizations as well? Just look up Graham W Philips, a self proclamied "independent" journalist. Guess what he does? Spread bullshit and being a nuissance to Ukrainians and anyone or anything that supports Ukraine. "But dude he lives in Canada, he can't be used to spread disinformation!" is a really lame argument here. These self proclaimed independent media organizations are just a relay for propaganda from the Kremlin. Anyways, the point went right over your head, again. Read froztshock's post: "Melnek doesn't realize in his rantings about Ukrainian nazis that blowing Ukrainian right wing parties out of proportion is part of the Russian information warfare campaign he just referenced." Azov Battalion exists, yes, but that really means jackshit about the actual power neo-nazis have in the government which the Russian media often likes to blow out of proportion. ...Which is the exact same thing you did: Blow the far-right influence on the Ukrainian government out of proportion by posting images of Azov battalion and ironically from a propaganda site. [QUOTE=nulls;52296116]Because we're discussing the nation the site is based in. Therefore, I included relevant info. By all means, feel free to skim through the 84 sources under references until you find a source that you agree with. When you disregard the fact that there is a nazi military unit fighting alongside the Ukranian government because the site the picture of said unit is hosted on, it's going to raise a few eyebrows. What gives you the impression it's a temporary unit? They are still active under the Ukranian NG.[/QUOTE] Why do you keep going on and on about Azov and the nazi boogeyman, I understand you're a communist but damn dude, ideology truly blinds people it seems. I didn't deny the existence of Azov battalion, refer back to froztshock's post, I disagree with Melnek's claim that neo-nazis have a lot of influence in the government. Azov IS a temporary unit and they are active in the Ukrainian NG. I don't think I need to remind you Russia still has it's hands on Ukraine. It would be stupid for Ukraine to disband one of their best regiments while they're at war.
[QUOTE=Melnek;52291905]no it isnt its part of ukraine's campaign of information warfare with russia the trick is to use western values (yes, even western memes) to try and gain even more support for ukraine in its ongoing conflict with russia. this is so fucking blatant and the fact that you're not seeing it is sad. russia is a fucking shithole, but is adapting faster to 21st century information combat than most nations (see: collusion with trump, trying to sway elections in france, etc.), but that doesn't mean that ukraine isn't doing the same exact goddamned thing. ukraine's campaign is so successful that most people, even on this predominantly liberal forum, aren't aware that a large portion of the entirety of ukraine's conflict has been directly instigated by neo-nazis and ultra-nationalists in an attempt to grab power amidst the conflict, taking advantage of the fact that russia was being a giant cunt in instigating war and grabbing land. this has been going on ever since the first molotov was thrown during the maidan protests. it's an incredibly intricate and in-depth information war waged by ukranians to try and distance themselves from russia, and align closer to the west as a whole, using any means possible. [editline]30th May 2017[/editline] oh look, it's working lmao[/QUOTE] I don't mind being played to by Ukraine. Ukraine is forever the underdog. Who cares about a little psyops when state capture by Putin is on the line? If Simpson's gifs is how Ukraine helps maintain their independence from Russia, then its a small price to pay
Sometimes I fantasize about Twitter shutting down one day out of the blue. I try to imagine how this would impact world diplomacy and how all the news organization would break down because their primary source of clickbait articles is now gone.
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