• Bernie Sanders wins Colorado with big showing at state convention
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[QUOTE=Wii60;50152255][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/U9EBnpj.png[/IMG] only thing keeping hillary afloat at this point is super delegates which can flip at any time[/QUOTE] Well that and her massive pledged delegate lead
[QUOTE=smurfy;50152620]Well that and her massive pledged delegate lead[/QUOTE]"Massive" being less than 200.
[QUOTE=smurfy;50152620]Well that and her massive pledged delegate lead[/QUOTE] The light blue isn't her massive pledged lead
Lets be real. She has a substantial lead due to the fact that no states are winner takes all. But that doesn't mean Bernie doesn't have a path to victory. I would just love if he wins NY though, that will make going into the April 28th primaries a lot smoother.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;50152712]"Massive" being less than 200.[/QUOTE] That is massive when you look at the remaining count and how he's been gaining typically only ten net delegates at a time in hotly contested states.
[QUOTE=bitches;50152604]That really doesn't look like plenty. His victories have been largely marginal. He needs big wins even ignoring superdelegates to catch up on a 200 delegate lead.[/QUOTE] There are more than 1000 delegates still up for grabs. What that means is he needs an overall % of about 70%. Tough, but doable.
[QUOTE=bitches;50152414]unfortunately rural areas are not known for voting in their best interests see for example, the southeastern US always voting republican except in major cities[/QUOTE] ya but that's for other reasons, these are formerly union dominated towns they tend to vote blue [editline]18th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Octopus2112;50152534]If sanders loses NY even 49%-51% it would be EXTREMELY hard for him to get the nomination, he would have to have landslide victories in every other state especially PN and CA. If he just barely wins NY 51%-49% then it will be a very tight race, if it's a landslide victory for sanders in NY there is a good chance he could win the nomination - and even the presidency.[/QUOTE] basically every % he under performs by in one state, will have to be offset by winning in other states and there's just not that many left
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;50152731]There are more than 1000 delegates still up for grabs. What that means is he needs an overall % of about 70%. Tough, but doable.[/QUOTE] Better than that, there are still 1717 pledged delegates up for grabs with Bernie 234 behind. Only 57% of total pledged delegates have yet been assigned.
[QUOTE=bitches;50152513]#3 pisses me off to no end bernie has always cared way more about minorities than clinton he got himself arrested protesting black/white segregation he would interrupt speakers in the senate who would offhandedly criticize homosexuals just to correct them, even when it was the unpopular opinion meanwhile hillary would talk about bringing race protesters 'into order' and pander to conservative democrats about religiously defined marriage and all hillary has to do to win the minority vote is [I]claim[/I] that she's always stood for minorities shit like this makes me wish you had to take a history test to vote[/QUOTE] I talk to my best friend Tyshun, who I've considered my brother for a long time about this, and he's a Berine supporter, but his mom loves Clinton, and so does his sister. I ask them why, and their main reason is because she is a woman. When I brought up what she called black people, and how she protested against segregation they didn't believe me. Not to sound funny/racists, but I do believe that amongst the black community it's a lot to do with the fact that they don't care to be informed about it. As my friend Ty has said "politics is a white mans game" I honestly don't believe he's to wrong. It's sad, because they don't see the effects it could have on them, or all of us as a whole, but it's not their fault. School systems don't teach these things, we fail the children of all colors by denying them the proper educations to make smart decisions. The schools just want kids to shut up and listen to a 15 min lecture, look at some slideshows and copy words onto paper. Take what I'm saying as you will, but I just believe if the presidential race was taught in schools, what each candidate stood for, what their history was, and how their views could effect our country it would spread out from the schools into the homes. Facepunch is the only reason I have ever given 2 damns of a rats ass about this shit, and it's because I sat back and listened to you all debate and bitch about this stuff. I don't always post the best shit, and alot of folks might not like me on here, but I was able to form my own opinion on a lot of things because this place gave me a way to do it.
[QUOTE=AlexConnor;50152780]Better than that, there are still 1717 pledged delegates up for grabs with Bernie 234 behind. Only 57% of total pledged delegates have yet been assigned.[/QUOTE] By those numbers he still needs 63%. It's definitely possible, but the youth vote (and voting reliability) can only go so far.
Could someone explain in short how these delegations work and how they impact one runners chance of getting elected? I'm at work so I aint got no time for wikipedia articles at the moment
[QUOTE=Zovox;50153347]Could someone explain in short how these delegations work and how they impact one runners chance of getting elected? I'm at work so I aint got no time for wikipedia articles at the moment[/QUOTE] It is similar to our presidential race's electoral college system. Voters come to the "primaries" in each state (each state having their own set date for it) to vote for who they want to be the nominee for their party. This process determines, in the end, which republican faces off against which democrat for the presidency. However, these parties (Democrat and Republican) are not currently legally required to conduct their nomination process in any particular way, nor even democratically. This is unfortunate because it is not possible currently for a third party to be elected; the third party would split votes between itself and the party it is most similar to, ensuring that the most opposite party wins even if a majority of citizens dislike the winning party of the hypothetical trio. So in essence, the Democrat and Republican parties are [I]legally considered[/I] to not be parts of the government and can thus get away with anything they want, despite them almost completely controlling who can or can't run for political seats of power. This brings me to the delegate system: Each state has a certain number of "delegates", who are individuals empowered by their party to represent the votes of the people voting at the primaries. For example, a state may have 100 delegates, and so if one of two democratic candidates wins 60% of the votes in that state's democratic primary, that candidate receives 60 delegates. These delegates all meet up later on to officially cast their votes in accordance with their assignment, representing a certain percentage of the state's voters per delegate. This was a useful system back before the internet existed for tallying votes, and now just overcomplicates things. The Democrat party of the US has a caveat: They have a large number of "superdelegates" appointed by the managers of the party, who do not have to follow the popular voter percentages at all. They literally exist to bias the results in favour of who the party's management wishes to win. The concept was introduced essentially to act as a tie breaker, but all they do is cast their vote for the party favourite. Their votes are not binding until the very end of the process, and so they can switch to the other candidate if the other candidate gets a majority of the popular vote (that way the party doesn't look bad for rigging the election). So why do they have the superdelegates at all, if they almost always switch to the majority citizen vote near the end? Because the party-ran media such as CNN broadcasted across the nation can influence voters by showing graphs that, for example, make Hillary Clinton appear to have twice as many votes as Bernie Sanders by showing total delegates (regular+super) without any distinction between the two, even if they are within 5% of each other in truth. The Republican caveat is that they literally hold a meeting in which they decide whether to honour the citizen votes at all no matter what the percentages. (the democrat party ultimately will choose whoever has the majority of delegates, counting superdelegates) [editline]18th April 2016[/editline] [B]TLDR:[/B] The two major parties in the US are the only ones that can exist without serious voter reform, and make it exceedingly difficult for anyone like Sanders to become President by biasing the media with an antidemocratic delegate system. They get away with it by pretending they are not an extension of the government, despite controlling who can participate in government.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;50152712]"Massive" being less than 200.[/QUOTE] Yeah, a massive pledged delegate lead [editline]18th April 2016[/editline] From what I can tell it's larger than the gap between Clinton and Obama ever was in 2008
[QUOTE=smurfy;50153730]Yeah, a massive pledged delegate lead[/quote] One she likely wouldn't have if everything was run properly. I'm not gonna sit here and say Sanders would have an easy cruise to the November ballot if the primaries ran properly and fairly, but it'd be more or less a dead heat every step of the way. There wouldn't be any 'Oh he's so-and-so behind'. Hell, the fact that the DNC is fucking with how these elections are run should speak volumes. They know damn well it's gonna be a very difficult race anyway, that they stand a real chance of the establishment choice losing if everyone plays ball, so they're rolling out every dirty trick in the book that they can get away with. [quote] From what I can tell it's larger than the gap between Clinton and Obama ever was in 2008[/QUOTE] There would be no gap if the primaries were run fairly and properly. The reason there's a gap at all is equal parts biased media coverage, clusterfucks in several key primary states, and a decent dose of a lot of voters not voting in their own best interests. There may also be a sprinkling of 'It's her turn' on the part of the DNC but we've no confirmation or denial of that.
[QUOTE=bitches;50152809]By those numbers he still needs 63%. It's definitely possible, but the youth vote (and voting reliability) can only go so far.[/QUOTE] Considering Bernie keeps winning states he previously lost, it seems like his voter reliability is much better than Hillary's. The real challenge is getting people to register to vote before the deadlines. In Washington state there was no deadline and you could register at the caucuses, open caucuses are the best.
[QUOTE=Daddy-of-war;50152802]I talk to my best friend Tyshun, who I've considered my brother for a long time about this, and he's a Berine supporter, but his mom loves Clinton, and so does his sister. I ask them why, and their main reason is because she is a woman. When I brought up what she called black people, and how she protested against segregation they didn't believe me. Not to sound funny/racists, but I do believe that amongst the black community it's a lot to do with the fact that they don't care to be informed about it. As my friend Ty has said "politics is a white mans game" I honestly don't believe he's to wrong. It's sad, because they don't see the effects it could have on them, or all of us as a whole, but it's not their fault. School systems don't teach these things, we fail the children of all colors by denying them the proper educations to make smart decisions. The schools just want kids to shut up and listen to a 15 min lecture, look at some slideshows and copy words onto paper. Take what I'm saying as you will, but I just believe if the presidential race was taught in schools, what each candidate stood for, what their history was, and how their views could effect our country it would spread out from the schools into the homes. Facepunch is the only reason I have ever given 2 damns of a rats ass about this shit, and it's because I sat back and listened to you all debate and bitch about this stuff. I don't always post the best shit, and alot of folks might not like me on here, but I was able to form my own opinion on a lot of things because this place gave me a way to do it.[/QUOTE] Wow this hit me right at home. This place honestly had taught me more than school ever did
[QUOTE=Kylel999;50154139]Wow this hit me right at home. This place honestly had taught me more than school ever did[/QUOTE] The internet (outside of internet media) is pretty much the only place to get a real view of politics. Unless you only visit one website such as facepunch. Each site has it's own bias, here it's Bernie. Oh and except Facebook.
[QUOTE=Shadow801;50154469]The internet (outside of internet media) is pretty much the only place to get a real view of politics. Unless you only visit one website such as facepunch. Each site has it's own bias, here it's Bernie. Oh and except Facebook.[/QUOTE] Been around since 2008. It feels like most of us have been around for a very long time dating back to garrysmod reeling in new members. There's been a sense to me that a lot of us have matured together via our endless bickering.
[QUOTE=bitches;50154523]Been around since 2008. It feels like most of us have been around for a very long time dating back to garrysmod reeling in new members. There's been a sense to me that a lot of us have matured together via our endless bickering.[/QUOTE] every so often we introspect, realise that we've been on a forum for a mod of half life 2 for almost a decade, then go back to shitposting and arguing in SH wouldn't say i've matured, but i'd definitely say i've grown up with facepunch
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;50154529]every so often we introspect, realise that we've been on a forum for a mod of half life 2 for almost a decade, then go back to shitposting and arguing in SH wouldn't say i've matured, but i'd definitely say i've grown up with facepunch[/QUOTE] I have been here for a decade. I started with an account in like September or November of 05. I've spent a couple years short of half my life on here, so it's been a big part of how I developed in many aspects, and affected my life in many ways. I mean, I've been together with my boyfriend for two and a half years and we met here, and he travelled 2500 miles across the country to move in with me. So yeah, a lot of people, especially many of us who've been around since the 00s, have a probably been pretty noticeably affected by the site. And this reminds me of Bernie Sanders because... He brings a lot of people together as a [del]communist[/del] community (my phone kept trying to autocorrect community ironically.) He is still in this race and if his showing in New York is strong enough he may well take the whole thing afterwards. I'd say if he manages to win New York at all the ball is in his court, and a good win is pretty much a done deal.
[QUOTE=Shadow801;50154469]The internet (outside of internet media) is pretty much the only place to get a real view of politics. Unless you only visit one website such as facepunch. Each site has it's own bias, here it's Bernie. Oh and except Facebook.[/QUOTE] Internet is the only place to get a real view of politics if you do your own homework by looking at polls, reading articles written by pundits, comparing them, discussing it with your peers and family, and then forming your own opinion on the internet. You won't get a real view of politics unless you start visiting other websites than FP (the haven of Bernie overoptimistic supporters)
[QUOTE=Chaitin;50155009]FP (the haven of Bernie overoptimistic supporters)[/QUOTE] hardly go to /r/politics and see the cult at its worst i'm donating every month to bernie, and will support him until the end, but man a huuuuge chunk of his fans need to cool it
[QUOTE=bitches;50152414]unfortunately rural areas are not known for voting in their best interests see for example, the southeastern US always voting republican except in major cities[/QUOTE] Have to remember for that many Republicans the party's most attractive feature is its social conservativism and reactionism.
[QUOTE=AlexConnor;50152780]Better than that, there are still 1717 pledged delegates up for grabs with Bernie 234 behind. Only 57% of total pledged delegates have yet been assigned.[/QUOTE] He's actually only 194 behind. Many places haven't updated the delegate count after he did better than expected at the second level of caucuses in many other states this last week. This means he only needs 55.6% of the remaining delegates.
[QUOTE=Daddy-of-war;50152802]I talk to my best friend Tyshun, who I've considered my brother for a long time about this, and he's a Berine supporter, but his mom loves Clinton, and so does his sister. I ask them why, and their main reason is because she is a woman. When I brought up what she called black people, and how she protested against segregation they didn't believe me. Not to sound funny/racists, but I do believe that amongst the black community it's a lot to do with the fact that they don't care to be informed about it. As my friend Ty has said "politics is a white mans game" I honestly don't believe he's to wrong. It's sad, because they don't see the effects it could have on them, or all of us as a whole, but it's not their fault. School systems don't teach these things, we fail the children of all colors by denying them the proper educations to make smart decisions. The schools just want kids to shut up and listen to a 15 min lecture, look at some slideshows and copy words onto paper. Take what I'm saying as you will, but I just believe if the presidential race was taught in schools, what each candidate stood for, what their history was, and how their views could effect our country it would spread out from the schools into the homes. Facepunch is the only reason I have ever given 2 damns of a rats ass about this shit, and it's because I sat back and listened to you all debate and bitch about this stuff. I don't always post the best shit, and alot of folks might not like me on here, but I was able to form my own opinion on a lot of things because this place gave me a way to do it.[/QUOTE] Did you show them videos of how manipulative Hillary is? [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNVi1wXPEto[/media]
[QUOTE=Chaitin;50155009](the haven of Bernie overoptimistic supporters)[/QUOTE] If you look at the lovely selection of candidates we have to chose from I think you can then understand where we are coming from. This is the most ridiculous election I have ever saw
[QUOTE=da space core;50155456]If you look at the lovely selection of candidates we have to chose from I think you can then understand where we are coming from. This is the most ridiculous election I have ever saw[/QUOTE] I understand that, I'm just saying that we should be careful and not be too optimistic about his chances of winning the nomination. He must win in every upcoming states rich in delegates and not just simply minimize his potential loss. His unexpected victory of Michigan was the most impressive feat of his campaign and hopefully we will see that again in NY.
I personally think the optimism you are seeing on Reddit stems from the fact that a huge amount of his volunteer force comes from Reddit. Just like any good speech even if the chips are down and it looks bleak, you tell people to think big so that they can keep pushing. A lot of people on reddit do hundreds of phonebanking calls daily.
[QUOTE=Kaelnukem;50155447]Did you show them videos of how manipulative Hillary is? [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNVi1wXPEto[/media][/QUOTE] I cannot emphasize my distrust towards Hillary. Its is one hell of a shame that the general population will take claims like these as truth. This is the price our country pays for political apathy.
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