Democrat wins Va. House seat in recount by single vote; creating 50-50 tie in legislature
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[QUOTE=Helix Snake;53000428]And if they cheat, no one will be able to prove it[/QUOTE]
The loser can call for a recount either way
The drawing of lots has been delayed until at least next week as the legal battle continues
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/26/politics/shelly-simonds-david-yancey-virginia-tiebreaker/index.html?CNNPolitics=Tw[/url]
[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;53007883]The drawing of lots has been delayed until at least next week as the legal battle continues
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/26/politics/shelly-simonds-david-yancey-virginia-tiebreaker/index.html?CNNPolitics=Tw[/url][/QUOTE]
For fucks sake this is the dumbest shit.
[QUOTE=Sableye;52993568]Um my ballot had my name and info on it, thats how you audit elections in general
The secret bit is that you don't publicly state who voted for what.[/QUOTE]
Late response but what the fuck is this shit? Which undemocratic shithole do you live in where you have to put your name and other info on the ballot paper?
Elections all around the world are very secure and can be well audited without personal details having to be placed on the ballots. Not just that, but eg the [url=http://www.aec.gov.au/Voting/Informal_Voting/]Australian Electoral Commission will immediately discard any ballot where someone has written a name on it, or any other kind of identifier[/url]. The auditing is done by assuring the vote counting processes and the validity of the ballot papers, not by trying to match specific voters to specific ballots.
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In fact, the potential linkage of votes to voters is one of the criticisms of preferential methods like IRV or STV. If like in Australian elections, where you have more than a hundred candidates on the ballot paper for Senate elections, it is possible for unique ballot papers to exist, by preferencing candidates in a very specific order. It would therefore be theoretically possible for someone with access to the marked ballots to bribe a voter to vote in a certain way (eg #1 against candidate 83, #2 against candidate 48, #3 against candidate 11 etc etc), and then search through the marked ballots to see if a ballot paper was submitted which voted in that certain way.
Yeah, in the US votes which have identifying markers are supposed to be thrown out.
[QUOTE=Geikkamir;53000442]The loser can call for a recount either way[/QUOTE]
Why don't they just skip straight to that, then? Why would either of them not do that?
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;53008921]Why don't they just skip straight to that, then? Why would either of them not do that?[/QUOTE]
I think the drawing of straws is state tradition, was looking at the list of close election results and look at this shit in a 2015 missisippi state election
[quote]Democrat incumbent Blaine Eaton initially won re-election over Republican Mark Tullos by drawing the long straw.[192] However, Tullos asked the State House to seat him, and they did so in a largely party-line vote.[193][/quote]
edit: not limited to the us, look at this swiss election from 2011
[quote]Marco Romano and [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Monica_Duca_Widmer&action=edit&redlink=1"]Monica Duca Widmer[/URL] both had 23,979 votes.[SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_close_election_results#cite_note-187"][187][/URL][/SUP] Initially, a computer programme was used to draw lots and Widmer was declared the winner. Following complaints and appeals, the Federal Supreme Court ruled against the Canton’s decision to use a computer programme for the lottery and ordered new manual lottery. This was conducted on 25 November, and Marco Romano emerged as the winner.[SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_close_election_results#cite_note-188"][188][/URL][/SUP][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_close_election_results#cite_note-189"][189][/URL][/SUP] (The 760,995 votes in total were for 8 seats. The [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partito_Popolare_Democratico_Svizzero"]PPD[/URL] won two seats. Romano and Widmer, both of the PPD, were tied for the PPD's second seat.)[/quote]
edit2: actually seems to be fairly common, 1999 nova scotia election
[quote]Progressive Conservative [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecil_O%27Donnell"]Cecil O'Donnell[/URL] tied with Liberal [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clifford_Huskilson"]Clifford Huskilson[/URL] (3,206–3,206).[SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_close_election_results#cite_note-204"][204][/URL][/SUP] The returning officer broke the tie by pulling Mr. O'Donnell's name from a box.[SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_close_election_results#cite_note-205"][205][/URL][/SUP][/quote]
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