"Whiteness burning": UCT Students are throwing “colonial” art on the pyre. Forgot College education
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[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49779581]How little life experience does one have to have to suggest that people marry for tax purposes first, and love second[/QUOTE]
My friends dad and stepmum did just this a month ago, they were perfectly happy just being unofficial aside from that.
I know it's rare but it happens
[QUOTE=Daysofwinter;49779164]No one better or worse then other.
Not what I meant. What I meant as long people identify as "I am black" and "I am white" and can see the other group as "They are black" or "they are white", they will not identify with the whole.
Conflict will arise.
I have brought up the idea of encouraging multi racial marriages encouraged through tax incentives. This would encourage a higher chance of multiple racial children. People said no to the idea. However, this approach would erode the boundaries of the two groups. Thus no longer "I am black and them whities are the problems" or the reverse. They become one group, thus no more conflict.[/QUOTE]
[quote]I have brought up the idea of encouraging multi racial marriages encouraged through tax incentives. This would encourage a higher chance of multiple racial children. People said no to the idea. However, this approach would erode the boundaries of the two groups. Thus no longer "I am black and them whities are the problems" or the reverse. They become one group, thus no more conflict.[/quote]
You are literally the radical left extremist that /pol/ pretends runs the country, what the fuck? There is absolutely nothing wrong with race at all.
[QUOTE=Lium;49786777]Well, I don't proclaim myself a philosopher, but I'm not sure I see the connection in your statement.
You're right of course that forgiveness is probably something that should be more widely practiced, and indeed would definitely reduce innocents suffering, but it's not really in the nature of those who engage in the torture of the innocent.
And indeed even those who profess to stand for them, when presented with the opportunity to give absolution, often spurn it in favour of contempt in the name of revenge. Much like the people responsible for the actions in this university. It's not about equality, it's about superiority. The illusion of not having it, but others doing so. And that by attempting to bring them down, they simultaneously elevate themselves.
It's human nature, in the end. Not acceptable by most moral standards, but ingrained to the core. Even with the ability to send messages to one another in warm and safe houses, given half a chance many people would cannibalise one another. Metaphorically, of course.[/QUOTE]
Well I don't think that we should accept this state of affairs, and we should practice virtues when possible.
[QUOTE=Lium;49786777]Neither, actually.[/QUOTE]
Being raised by European parents in a European nation makes you prescribe to Christian ideals by default.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49786826]Well I don't think that we should accept this state of affairs, and we should practice virtues when possible.[/QUOTE]
Yep, and therein lies the issue - it might seem an easy thing but for a large part of humanity it's pretty much never going to happen. World peace and harmony is a nice dream.
Also now I say that it does seem an unnecessarily downer thing to have brought up so I apologise for that.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49785637]Are you for real? You can't tax people for marrying the same race, dude. That's insanity.[/QUOTE]
You are right here is my other idea:
First to end segregation, government force should be used. Then the government should be used to implement an idea I have called "affirmative action" which forces people of color (regardless of skill or qualification) into positions to meet quotas. When this causes tension and anger, then I will call the reactants "bigots" and "Racists", you know just to stir up the pot a bit further. Then give the people of color a new identity which gives them a deep sense of victimization and inferiority and use government force to bring up to the same standard of those who used to be privileged. Then demonize the old privileged group but try to force the people of color act just like the old group in power, thus making them feel even more inferior. That way I can whip them into a frenzy which causes violence where ever I go. Yet when people of color use violence on those with privilege, I look the other way and say its "ok". Then whenever they do not vote my party line, I'll use the scare tactics of bringing back the old privileges back to the old way to get them to vote against their interests every single time. I will tell them I am fighting for their rights. That would be a facade. I would be giving lip service to fighting for their rights when really Im just saying what it takes to get their vote while I support my white rich corporate masters.
Yes, you are right, I am completely insane.
My idea uses incentives not force nor lies.
[QUOTE]You are literally the radical left extremist that /pol/ pretends runs the country, what the fuck? There is absolutely nothing wrong with race at all[/QUOTE]
Equality can only be achieved by erasing differences between people. If you do not like that consideration, then you also must reconsider the value of equality.
[QUOTE]You are the single most ideologically disgusting and reprehensible individual I have ever seen on this forum. I've met actual national socialists with more respect for ethnic self-determination than you. You honestly astonish me in a very horrifying way with how terrible everything you say is. I can only take comfort in the sure knowledge that you couldn't possibly be a functioning and influential person in real lif[/QUOTE]
I don't stick to ideals. I stick to goals. If you find my idea horrible, I have an alternatives. I also have this theory of time perspective which determines if a group is successful or not. That would be a severe topic drift. I thought my idea wouldn't be as offensive because it uses incentives and not force to obtain the end goal.
[QUOTE=rhx123;49786816]My friends dad and stepmum did just this a month ago, they were perfectly happy just being unofficial aside from that.
I know it's rare but it happens[/QUOTE]
that's not at all what i'm talking about
did your friends step mom and dad have a relationship purely for tax reasons? No? Not what I was talking about, or what he was talking about.
Yes, people get married to their loved ones for tax benefits. They don't [B]pick their loved ones based on tax benefits[/B]
[QUOTE=Daysofwinter;49787065]You are right here is my other idea:
First to end segregation, government force should be used. Then the government should be used to implement an idea I have called "affirmative action" which forces people of color (regardless of skill or qualification) into positions to meet quotas. When this causes tension and anger, then I will call the reactants "bigots" and "Racists", you know just to stir up the pot a bit further. Then give the people of color a new identity which gives them a deep sense of victimization and inferiority and use government force to bring up to the same standard of those who used to be privileged. Then demonize the old privileged group but try to force the people of color act just like the old group in power, thus making them feel even more inferior. That way I can whip them into a frenzy which causes violence where ever I go. Yet when people of color use violence on those with privilege, I look the other way and say its "ok". Then whenever they do not vote my party line, I'll use the scare tactics of bringing back the old privileges back to the old way to get them to vote against their interests every single time. I will tell them I am fighting for their rights. That would be a facade. I would be giving lip service to fighting for their rights when really Im just saying what it takes to get their vote while I support my white rich corporate masters.
Yes, you are right, I am completely insane.
My idea uses incentives not force nor lies.
Equality can only be achieved by erasing differences between people.[/QUOTE]
How about you just stop talking now rather than digging yourself deeper?
Do I need to point out again that you're literally advocating genocide?
[QUOTE=Shovel Mech;49787170]How about you just stop talking now rather than digging yourself deeper?
Do I need to point out again that you're literally advocating genocide?[/QUOTE]
Genocide is when entire group is being systemically killed off like the jews were during the Holocaust. That my view what genocide is.
How was my critique of how the left currently obtains goals incorrect? Isnt that how the situation in the op came to where it is at now?
[QUOTE=Daysofwinter;49787219]Genocide is when entire group is being systemically killed off like the jews were during the Holocaust. That my view what genocide is.
How was my critique of how the left currently obtains goals incorrect? Isnt that how the situation in the op came to where it is at now?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Genocide is the intent to systematically eliminate a racial, ethnic, religious, linguistic, cultural or national group.[/QUOTE]
(from Wikipedia)
What you're advocating is the systematic destruction of racial and ethnic groups, in other words, genocide.
I will say again: You should just stop now.
[QUOTE=Daysofwinter;49787065]You are right here is my other idea:
First to end segregation, government force should be used. Then the government should be used to implement an idea I have called "affirmative action" which forces people of color (regardless of skill or qualification) into positions to meet quotas. When this causes tension and anger, then I will call the reactants "bigots" and "Racists", you know just to stir up the pot a bit further. Then give the people of color a new identity which gives them a deep sense of victimization and inferiority and use government force to bring up to the same standard of those who used to be privileged. Then demonize the old privileged group but try to force the people of color act just like the old group in power, thus making them feel even more inferior. That way I can whip them into a frenzy which causes violence where ever I go. Yet when people of color use violence on those with privilege, I look the other way and say its "ok". Then whenever they do not vote my party line, I'll use the scare tactics of bringing back the old privileges back to the old way to get them to vote against their interests every single time. I will tell them I am fighting for their rights. That would be a facade. I would be giving lip service to fighting for their rights when really Im just saying what it takes to get their vote while I support my white rich corporate masters.
Yes, you are right, I am completely insane.
My idea uses incentives not force nor lies.
Equality can only be achieved by erasing differences between people.[/QUOTE]
So you're arguing that people should look for their prospective [B]LIFE PARTNERS[/B] for tax reasons, and not for anything else first?
You're wrong. Sorry, but you just are. And you're so doggedly determined to stick it out and prove that we're all wrong that you're getting ridiculous about the argument you're making.
[QUOTE=Daysofwinter;49779164]No one better or worse then other.
Not what I meant. What I meant as long people identify as "I am black" and "I am white" and can see the other group as "They are black" or "they are white", they will not identify with the whole.
Conflict will arise.
I have brought up the idea of encouraging multi racial marriages encouraged through tax incentives. This would encourage a higher chance of multiple racial children. People said no to the idea. However, this approach would erode the boundaries of the two groups. Thus no longer "I am black and them whities are the problems" or the reverse. They become one group, thus no more conflict.[/QUOTE]
If your argument can be argued to be technically genocide you should probably keep it to yourself fyi
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[QUOTE=Daysofwinter;49779364]I have read your statements and I assume your position is of the left. This denouncement of my idea is hypocritical of you if this is true. How was affirmative action achieved? Through judgement on race by the government. How was equality in south Africa achieved? On race and through the actions of the government.[/QUOTE]
not to fall again on genocide but dude there is a genocide happening in South Africa RIGHT NOW.
[QUOTE=Shovel Mech;49787244](from Wikipedia)
What you're advocating is the systematic destruction of racial and ethnic groups, in other words, genocide.
I will say again: You should just stop now.[/QUOTE]
You didn't address my second question.
[QUOTE]So you're arguing that people should look for their prospective LIFE PARTNERS for tax reasons, and not for anything else first?[/QUOTE]
No, I am saying the only way to end racism is a voluntary, free-spirited, open-ended program of procreative racial deconstruction.
Look if you want equality and end discrimination, you have to end all differences and make people exactly alike, in every single way. If you find that idea abhorrent or ridiculous, then the value of equality must be reconsidered.
If you really really want to end problems between groups, you must;
Make them all the same color.
You must genetically engineer them to be all hermaphrodites (that way gender equality can be achieved)
You must make them all the same belief.
Then install implants (like the Omar from Dues Ex) to make them all the same person.
This is the only way to achieve the goals of the left, realistically. If you find such ideas abhorrent, then the goals must be reconsidered. Equality LEADS to genocide in some shape or fashion.
So i'm marrying a white girl. I, under your world order, should be taxed more because I married a white person, as a white person.
And you look at this and say "Yeah, that makes sense", not "oh well that's kinda counterintuitive and wouldn't really have the results I think it would"? You don't even consider for a moment than maybe if you did what you're saying you would do, that we would be intervening into peoples lives to the point where we're now giving them [B][I]"Incentives"[/I][/B] to find the mate "we"(You) find acceptable for them?
Is there going to be a eugenics chart rolled out soon?
I'm 100% for interracial relationships. 100%. There however, is a massive difference between interracial marriage and "Incentivizing" interracial marriage, and to me, just shows a massive lack of understanding at what causes modern people to get married.
[QUOTE=Daysofwinter;49787219]Genocide is when entire group is being systemically killed off like the jews were during the Holocaust. That my view what genocide is.
How was my critique of how the left currently obtains goals incorrect? Isnt that how the situation in the op came to where it is at now?[/QUOTE]
ok cool but the UN disagrees with you
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49787317]So i'm marrying a white girl. I, under your world order, should be taxed more because I married a white person, as a white person.
And you look at this and say "Yeah, that makes sense", not "oh well that's kinda counterintuitive and wouldn't really have the results I think it would"? You don't even consider for a moment than maybe if you did what you're saying you would do, that we would be intervening into peoples lives to the point where we're now giving them [B][I]"Incentives"[/I][/B] to find the mate "we"(You) find acceptable for them?
Is there going to be a eugenics chart rolled out soon?
I'm 100% for interracial relationships. 100%. There however, is a massive difference between interracial marriage and "Incentivizing" interracial marriage, and to me, just shows a massive lack of understanding at what causes modern people to get married.[/QUOTE]
As for incentives, well there is another way to go about it. Install a dictatorship, and then force people to marry to achieve quotas. I find that abhorrent. Incentives would be the nicest way to go about it. I care about respecting free will.
However.....
I asked you why is it happening voluntarily in your home town and nation? I do not see that here in the US. Lets focus on that.
[QUOTE]You didn't address my second question.[/QUOTE]
I don't really care about your second question. I'm not a political theorist and I'm not going to write a thesis on how to solve all of the world's problems. What I do know is that you are very, very wrong.
[QUOTE]
No, I am saying the only way to end racism is a voluntary, free-spirited, open-ended program of procreative racial deconstruction.
Look if you want equality and end discrimination, you have to end all differences and make people exactly alike, in every single way. If you find that idea abhorrent or ridiculous, then the value of equality must be reconsidered.
If you really really want to end problems between groups, you must;
Make them all the same color.
You must genetically engineer them to be all hermaphrodites (that way gender equality can be achieved)
You must make them all the same belief.
Then install implants (like the Omar from Dues Ex) to make them all the same person.
This is the only way to achieve the goals of the left, realistically. If you find such ideas abhorrent, then the goals must be reconsidered. Equality LEADS to genocide in some shape or fashion. [/QUOTE]
At this point I've lost track of whatever you were trying to say in the first place.
[QUOTE]At this point I've lost track of whatever you were trying to say in the first place.[/QUOTE]
I am saying if you want to end racism or any forms of discrimination, you must destroy all differences.
[QUOTE=Daysofwinter;49787378]I am saying if you want to end racism or any forms of discrimination, you must destroy all differences.[/QUOTE]
Destroying differences by imposing discriminatory practices.
[QUOTE=Daysofwinter;49787065]When this causes tension and anger, then I will call the reactants "bigots" and "Racists", you know just to stir up the pot a bit further. Then give the people of color a new identity which gives them a deep sense of victimization and inferiority and use government force to bring up to the same standard of those who used to be privileged. Then demonize the old privileged group but try to force the people of color act just like the old group in power, thus making them feel even more inferior. That way I can whip them into a frenzy which causes violence where ever I go. Yet when people of color use violence on those with privilege, I look the other way and say its "ok". Then whenever they do not vote my party line, I'll use the scare tactics of bringing back the old privileges back to the old way to get them to vote against their interests every single time. I will tell them I am fighting for their rights. That would be a facade. I would be giving lip service to fighting for their rights when really Im just saying what it takes to get their vote while I support my white rich corporate masters.[/QUOTE]
wtf
is this real
[QUOTE=Thlis;49787389]Destroying differences by imposing discriminatory practices.[/QUOTE]
That is the paradox.
[QUOTE=Daysofwinter;49787378]I am saying if you want to end racism or any forms of discrimination, you must destroy all differences.[/QUOTE]
Good plan. It should be dubbed as "The Final Solution".
[QUOTE=Daysofwinter;49787338]As for incentives, well there is another way to go about it. Install a dictatorship, and then force people to marry to achieve quotas. I find that abhorrent. Incentives would be the nicest way to go about it.
However.....
I asked you why is it happening voluntarily in your home town and nation? I do not see that here in the US. Lets focus on that.[/QUOTE]
Uh dude, you can only see what's going on around you. You have no idea how many interracial marriages happen.
This whole fucking city I live in is full of interracial marriages. No incentives needed. You know what? You know [B]HOW[/B] something like that happens? By staying the fuck out of the way and letting people mingle and get to know each other without big brother peering in saying "YOU'RE WITH A WOMAN OF YOUR OWN RACE, YOU DESERVE TO BE PUNISHED". You think in extremes.
Canada has no issue with interracial marriages and we have a lot of them happening regularly. It's really easy when you just let people be people and you don't have a culture filled with racist stigmas.
A racist stigma that you yourself are going out of the way to enforce and create.
[QUOTE=Daysofwinter;49787424]That is the paradox.[/QUOTE]
It's not a paradox it's just flat out not a proper solution.
[QUOTE=Daysofwinter;49787315]Equality LEADS to genocide in some shape or fashion.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49787456]Uh dude, you can only see what's going on around you. You have no idea how many interracial marriages happen.
This whole fucking city I live in is full of interracial marriages. No incentives needed. You know what? You know [B]HOW[/B] something like that happens? By staying the fuck out of the way and letting people mingle and get to know each other without big brother peering in saying "YOU'RE WITH A WOMAN OF YOUR OWN RACE, YOU DESERVE TO BE PUNISHED". You think in extremes.
Canada has no issue with interracial marriages and we have a lot of them happening regularly. It's really easy when you just let people be people and you don't have a culture filled with racist stigmas.
A racist stigma that you yourself are going out of the way to enforce and create.[/QUOTE]
I live in America. I say the cultures are different. From what I hear, both sides pressure people to stick within their own race. With white people, its due to money. With the black side, its due to not being a race traitor.
If there is a way to encourage with as much free will, I am all for it.
As for stigma, that already occurring with leftist policies in order to end discrimination and equality.
[QUOTE=Daysofwinter;49787485]I live in America. I say the cultures are different. From what I hear, both sides pressure people to stick within their own race. With white people, its due to money. With the black side, its due to not being a race traitor.
If there is a way to encourage with as much free will, I am all for it.
As for stigma, that already occurring with leftist policies in order to end discrimination and equality.[/QUOTE]
If people want to marry only within their own race or ethnicity, that's fine. That doesn't mean your an evil racist, that means you value your heritage. You can not force people to intermarry with other races.
[QUOTE=Daysofwinter;49787378]I am saying if you want to end racism or any forms of discrimination, you must destroy all differences.[/QUOTE]
Do you even understand the basics of multiculturalism?
Like, even fucking remotely?
[QUOTE=Daysofwinter;49787065]I have called "affirmative action" which forces people of color (regardless of skill or qualification) into positions to meet quotas. [/QUOTE]
This would create racism. "Hmm.. That doctor/engineer is black.. probably not a good idea...", not to mention the resentment harder working and more qualified people will have.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49787504]This would create racism. "Hmm.. That doctor/engineer is black.. probably not a good idea...", not to mention the resentment harder working and more qualified people will have.[/QUOTE]
And the businesses will fail because there are people who don't have a clue about how anything works since their only skill is "black/asian/whatever"
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