"Whiteness burning": UCT Students are throwing “colonial” art on the pyre. Forgot College education
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[QUOTE=phygon;49775390]You're making statements that are
A. stupid as fuck
B. racist
C. not grounded in reality[/QUOTE]
You can't be racist against whiteys.
Awful and disgraceful history or not
[B][I]YOU DON'T DESTROY HISTORICAL SHIT[/I][/B]
I am fucking livid.
[QUOTE=phygon;49775381]Mass burning shouldn't fucking happen in any society[/QUOTE]
why not? its not exactly a secret colonialism did a lot of damage to africa. whats so wrong about african destroyign idols of colonialism
[video=youtube;jIvX5oaSVes]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIvX5oaSVes[/video]
Video of the book and art burning.
Bunch of fucking savages. Why do they even go to an university if they only end up attempting to destroy history?
[QUOTE=Steel & Iron;49775391]From an artistic perspective some of those portraits look nice and well done. It's too bad they have to be destroyed to get your point across.[/QUOTE]
the only message communicated by destroying and vandalizing historical artifacts is that you're a fucking asshole
[QUOTE=ImpSnob;49775394]You can't be racist against whiteys.[/QUOTE]
It's okay if you want to be wrong but you're still going to be wrong
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/YhSkWT4.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Ruski v2.0;49775334]Wait so it's the liberals who support what is essentially book burning now?
What a time to be alive.[/QUOTE]
"book burning is okay as long as it makes me feel good"
[QUOTE=Nautsabes;49775399]why not? its not exactly a secret colonialism did a lot of damage to africa. whats so wrong about african destroyign idols of colonialism[/QUOTE]
are you trolling or are you for real
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;49775402]the only message communicated by destroying and vandalizing historical artifacts is that you're a fucking asshole[/QUOTE]
Easy to say if you've never been affected by colonialism.
[QUOTE=Nautsabes;49775399]why not? its not exactly a secret colonialism did a lot of damage to africa. whats so wrong about african destroyign idols of colonialism[/QUOTE]
By destroying history, that shit is lost f o r e v e r. There is NEVER an valid excuse to destroy historical documents. Ever. If we don't know about the evils of the past, how can we possibly learn from them?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49775405]are you trolling or are you for real[/QUOTE]
these thigns harken back to days where white imperialists were in control in africa. whats wrong with africans wanting to destroy these thigns,.
[QUOTE=ImpSnob;49775394]You can't be racist against whiteys.[/QUOTE]
If only you really were trolling.
Racism is not power+prejudice or whatever you think it is . Its treating people differently based on their race. You stop racism by not doing that.
We create an inclusive color-blind society by being inclusive and color blind.
[QUOTE=Nautsabes;49775417]these thigns harken back to days where white imperialists were in control in africa. whats wrong with africans wanting to destroy these thigns,.[/QUOTE]
Burning down the ancient mosques in the Balkans and Iberia would be stupid.
[QUOTE=Nautsabes;49775399]why not? its not exactly a secret colonialism did a lot of damage to africa. whats so wrong about african destroyign idols of colonialism[/QUOTE]
Then protect the historical artifacts so that future generations can be made aware of it?
But yeah, burning history so it can be erased is totally the way to go about it....
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49775418]If only you really were trolling.
Racism is not power+prejudice or whatever you think it is . Its treating people differently based on their race. You stop racism by not doing that.
We create an inclusive color-blind society by being inclusive and color blind.
Burning down the ancient mosques in the Balkans and Iberia would be stupid.[/QUOTE]
Being color blind is just ignoring a problem.
[QUOTE=Nautsabes;49775417]these thigns harken back to days where white imperialists were in control in africa. whats wrong with africans wanting to destroy these thigns,.[/QUOTE]
You're right, we should burn them so everyone forgets about and it happens again
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wait
[QUOTE=ImpSnob;49775358]Yeah, Mandela never did anything violent ever.[/QUOTE]
kinda redeemed with the whole forgive and forget thing that made the entire world just a little bit better
but sure, hang on to take piece of dark history if it makes you feel better
[QUOTE=ImpSnob;49775427]Being color blind is just ignoring a problem.[/QUOTE]
Not being color blind is being the problem.
[QUOTE=ImpSnob;49775407]Easy to say if you've never been affected by colonialism.[/QUOTE]
I am seriously fucking reeling right now
we actually have apologists for burning historical artifacts
yes, I'm sure those paintings of long dead victorians were oppressing these poor people, they absolutely had to be destroyed
[QUOTE=Govna;49775335]Let's throw them on the fire then. If you want to act like racist pieces of shit and destroy valuable cultural items, the world doesn't need you around.[/QUOTE]
yeah that'll solve the problem, buddy
[QUOTE=ImpSnob;49775427]Being color blind is just ignoring a problem.[/QUOTE]
The ideal conclusion of racism would be everyone going "color blind". It's not going to happen globally but it certainly isn't ignoring a problem.
Also, you're still racist unless you can somehow explain what you said earlier in a less ignorant fashion. Racism is stereotyping and discriminating based upon race, it has nothing do with prejudice + power or whatever. (also, white = power in Africa? really? fucking [I]Africa?[/I])
[i]'We shouldn't dwell on the evils of imperialism. We should remember them, but we should forgive them. The sins of the past are in the past and we should now work toward a better future'[/i]
- Dr. Yangwen Zheng, prominent Chinese revisionist.
(bear in mind we hooked the Chinese on opium, essentially looted the country for rare artifacts, burned down the Yuan Ming Yuan, seized land by force and bankrupted the Qing state)
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;49775433]I am seriously fucking reeling right now
we actually have apologists for burning historical artifacts
yes, I'm sure those paintings of long dead victorians were oppressing these poor* people, they absolutely had to be destroyed[/QUOTE]
*Mostly poor people
[quote]Students arrested for damaging property at UCT included several who are not obviously poor, such as the son of the chief executive of Eskom, the state power utility[/quote]
Unless you are talking about morally then yes, they are morally bankrupt.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;49775433]I am seriously fucking reeling right now
we actually have apologists for burning historical artifacts
yes, I'm sure those paintings of long dead victorians were oppressing these poor people, they absolutely had to be destroyed[/QUOTE]
They are idolizing those oppressors.
Burning historical artifacts is never good, so what if "people in the past did it". You, I, and we are better than that now, keep the historical artifacts around so that the history of things done can be preserved. Trashing historical documents, paintings, etc; do nothing but lose support for your cause as well as make history harder to teach from the past as well as on your just movement
what history is being lost by these paintings and statues being destroyed? this is nature. humans being humans. culture is created and destroyed with the changing of the times. its a thing that happens and cant be prevented.
[QUOTE=Nautsabes;49775399]why not? its not exactly a secret colonialism did a lot of damage to africa. whats so wrong about african destroyign idols of colonialism[/QUOTE]
On top of that damage done to Africa in terms of colonialism is often questionable. There's no denying massive amounts of damage done to indigenous populations in Australia, the Americas and parts of SEAsia. But Africa? There was a lot of reasons for the collapse of local empires, European powers basically just filled an existing powervacuum.
[QUOTE=Nautsabes;49775457]what history is being lost by these paintings and statues being destroyed? this is nature. humans being humans. culture is created and destroyed with the changing of the times. its a thing that happens and cant be prevented.[/QUOTE]
So do you support ISIS destroying historical artefacts, churches, and whatnot? Or what about the taliban destroying cultural artefacts of Budhism.
[QUOTE=Nautsabes;49775457]what history is being lost by these paintings and statues being destroyed? this is nature. humans being humans. culture is created and destroyed with the changing of the times. its a thing that happens and cant be prevented.[/QUOTE]
Uh, sir, I'll have you know that it can in fact be prevented by, if you'll humor me, [b]not[/b] destroying historical artifacts.
[QUOTE=Nautsabes;49775457]what history is being lost by these paintings and statues being destroyed? this is nature. humans being humans. culture is created and destroyed with the changing of the times. its a thing that happens and cant be prevented.[/QUOTE]
So you're actually saying that its a good thing that such artifacts are being needlessly destroyed?
As a historian of material culture I can refute any such claim.
Please, go ahead and tell me why it is a good thing. Tell me how forgetting history helps anyone. Tell me how objects don't provide us with valuable insight into the cultures of yesterday.
[QUOTE=Nautsabes;49775457]what history is being lost by these paintings and statues being destroyed? this is nature. humans being humans. culture is created and destroyed with the changing of the times. its a thing that happens and cant be prevented.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but you think we'd be better people by today and understand that if we destroy something, it's gone and we can't learn from it.
We're not only losing history, awful history that we should remember to never repeat again, but we're also proving the awful opinion these colonists had: we're nothing but savages.
[QUOTE=Nautsabes;49775417]these thigns harken back to days where white imperialists were in control in africa. whats wrong with africans wanting to destroy these thigns,.[/QUOTE]
maybe it's because it doesn't belong to them, and breaking shit that ain't yours is vandalism
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