• "Whiteness burning": UCT Students are throwing “colonial” art on the pyre. Forgot College education
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[QUOTE=Mike Tyson;49775594]I can't believe there's people endorsing burning books & historical artifacts. Have I gone into a parallel universe where we didn't learn doing that was a terrible idea?[/QUOTE] I'm sure if someone torched their family photo album or something they wouldn't feel the same way.
[QUOTE=Xubs;49775606]yknow if you're just going to arbitrarily define what is and what is not historically relevant then really who even fucking cares about history. Burn it all, right? Everyone in the past was a violent savage, [I]every single person[/I] regardless of culture or race or creed. People fucking killed each other every single day in the past for the most violent and animalistic of impulses so why don't we just forget it all and destroy all history but no, you'd say that's crazy. Because you define cultural relevancy in completely arbitrary and self-serving ways. Protip: history is fucking brutal. History has always been fucking brutal. Humans are violent, selfish, evil, disgusting, hateful, spiteful, ugly, bloodthirsty animals and will continue to be this forever. You cannot erase the past, only forget it. What point is there in forgetting the past? Why should we destroy [I]any[/I] history?[/QUOTE] I've got the gunpowder ready, who's ready to blow up some castles/idols of feudalistic oppression?
[QUOTE=Skerion;49775588]The people depicted in those paintings are already long dead, though.[/QUOTE] Govna is saying the people burning the paintings should be burned, not the paintings themselves.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;49775597]I am almost completely certain he is entirely sincere[/QUOTE] anybody using "whitey" is almost certainly not sincere report them and ignore them, it's painfully obvious they're trying to stir up shit
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;49775612]Personally I wouldn't mind because George Washington's legacy is preserved in greater, more significant ways than the actual painting. I can look at this real nice quality jpg you posted and learn the same as I would (maybe excluding appreciating the physical medium of the portrait) if I were looking at the real thing.[/QUOTE] and why do we need anything you don't like, right lol
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;49775586]No definitely, but there are more significant reminders of British colonialism than these paintings.[/QUOTE] I'd imagine the ones presented here would actually be symbols of DUTCH colonialism.
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;49775575]Paintings of white victorians are not as educational as you are trying to convey. If they have a painting kicking around hundred+ years in the future, texts, other archival methods surely will have preserved their legacy greater than a gilded portrait would.[/QUOTE] electronic archival methods are, by their very nature, doomed to fail against the tests of time. only physical mediums will survive. we don't keep them around to educate us, we keep them around to educate people hundreds of years from now, perhaps thousands or more. if you don't want them hanging up that is fine, lock them away in some vault so they can be found by future archaeologists and historians.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49775619]anybody using "whitey" is almost certainly not sincere report them and ignore them, it's painfully obvious they're trying to stir up shit[/QUOTE] I admire your optimism.
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;49775596]Yes, because art does not hold inherent significance and not all of it should or will be preserved.[/QUOTE] if you genuinely believe this then you should probably do some more research before you somehow make yourself look like an even bigger idiot [QUOTE]A great number of academics would disagree.[/QUOTE] source? also, an even bigger number of academics would agree that art has had a HUGE impact on the world
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;49775558]But no, you can't be racist towards white people.[/QUOTE] I would like for you to comment more on how in the fuck you think this makes any sense.
[QUOTE=Ruski v2.0;49775334]Wait so it's the liberals who support what is essentially book burning now? What a time to be alive.[/QUOTE] how is this even liberal
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;49775616]I've got the gunpowder ready, who's ready to blow up some castles/idols of feudalistic oppression?[/QUOTE] While we're at it we need to destroy the Colosseum. A powerful symbol of slavery and violence.
[QUOTE=Craigewan;49775624]I'd imagine the ones presented here would actually be symbols of DUTCH colonialism.[/QUOTE] dutch, british, whatever it's gone now so I guess we'll never know lol who even cares l m a o
As someone working towards being an Archeologist, let me tell you that EVERYTHING is extremely relevent with rebuilding a picture of the past. From the most mundane painting, to the food scraps thrown away. All of it provides clues to the past, how people lived, what people did, who was their, their lives. It's disgusting to see people try to pass judgement on what's "historically relevent". Everything is.
[QUOTE=Xubs;49775606]yknow if you're just going to arbitrarily define what is and what is not historically relevant then really who even fucking cares about history. Burn it all, right? Everyone in the past was a violent savage, [I]every single person[/I] regardless of culture or race or creed. People fucking killed each other every single day in the past for the most violent and animalistic of impulses so why don't we just forget it all and destroy all history but no, you'd say that's crazy. Because you define cultural relevancy in completely arbitrary and self-serving ways. Protip: history is fucking brutal. History has always been fucking brutal. Humans are violent, selfish, evil, disgusting, hateful, spiteful, ugly, bloodthirsty animals and will continue to be this forever. You cannot erase the past, only forget it. What point is there in forgetting the past? Why should we destroy [I]any[/I] history?[/QUOTE] I don't condone the burning of art, I just don't oppose it. I'm doubting the significance of some (phygon already demonstrated there were some culturally regarded and significant pieces destroyed, a shame) but if the only reason YOU are saying something should not be destroyed is simply because it is old and relatively historical then I would disagree and I don't believe we'd suffer anything great if it were lost.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;49775617]Govna is saying the people burning the paintings should be burned, not the paintings themselves.[/QUOTE] Oh, whoops. Well, of course burning people for burning paintings sounds just as insane, but yeah, sorry for not reading that right.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;49775617]Govna is saying the people burning the paintings should be burned, not the paintings themselves.[/QUOTE] I just want rid of them. I don't care how. And he's saying it's okay for them to go ahead, destroy all this valuable shit, and act like a bunch of assholes. It's not. This kind of behavior is not remotely acceptable, especially with the racist crap. Why is this hard for people to understand? Don't be an asshole. Don't start trouble, there won't be trouble. It's pretty fucking simple. If you can't do that, then you deserve to be punished, severely if necessary, for your actions.
[QUOTE=Darth Ninja;49775638]While we're at it we need to destroy the Colosseum. A powerful symbol of slavery and violence.[/QUOTE] And when are those pyramids going to get what's coming to them? Those were built on the backs of serfs enslaved by a theocratic dictatorship! And it's not like we need them anyway.
[QUOTE=Xubs;49775606]yknow if you're just going to arbitrarily define what is and what is not historically relevant then really who even fucking cares about history. Burn it all, right? Everyone in the past was a violent savage, [I]every single person[/I] regardless of culture or race or creed. People fucking killed each other every single day in the past for the most violent and animalistic of impulses so why don't we just forget it all and destroy all history but no, you'd say that's crazy. Because you define cultural relevancy in completely arbitrary and self-serving ways. Protip: history is fucking brutal. History has always been fucking brutal. Humans are violent, selfish, evil, disgusting, hateful, spiteful, ugly, bloodthirsty animals and will continue to be this forever. You cannot erase the past, only forget it. What point is there in forgetting the past? Why should we destroy [I]any[/I] history?[/QUOTE] This man gets it! FUck the past, everyone in the past was a fucking savage because you are allowed to arbitrarily group people on ANYTHING you want to so long as they're dead and it's not racist! Fuck white people, they were colonists! Fuck black people, they were slave drivers! Fuck the chinese, they invaded korea! tbh humans are just trash, we need to have a nuclear war and kill everyone already
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;49775513]I doubt these painting had much significant historical value tbh.[/QUOTE] I recall a certain government in the 1930s that shared your feelings. [QUOTE=Take_Opal;49775596] A great number of academics would disagree.[/QUOTE] Those academics refer to [i]institutional[/i] racism. Which unsurprisingly can be applied to any race.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;49775623]and why do we need anything you don't like, right lol[/QUOTE] No. I'm not saying to burn art, I just don't think that it's logical to be so reactionary to this as you are. I didn't even say to burn white people art or any art at all. I didn't imply this, I believe.
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;49775650]I don't condone the burning of art, I just don't oppose it. I'm doubting the significance of some (phygon already demonstrated there were some culturally regarded and significant pieces destroyed, a shame) but if the only reason YOU are saying something should not be destroyed is simply because it is old and relatively historical then I would disagree and I don't believe we'd suffer anything great if it were lost.[/QUOTE] That's nonsense.
[QUOTE=Cliff2;49775657]I recall a certain government in the 1930s that shared your feelings. Those academics refer to [i]institutional[/i] racism. Which unsurprisingly can be applied to any race.[/QUOTE] There is nothing other than institutional racism, people are referring to discrimination.
It's pretty sad and disgusting that this is happening, but I think you guys need to think about where this is. South Africa. Apartheid ring any bells? And that ended just in 1994. The people doing this think they're perfectly justified, because the memory is still fresh in their minds. Only a fool misses the historical context. "Fucking savages"? Really?
Man this thread turned nuts in a matter of minutes. We need someone who can slam this shit down, sadly it has to be a African-American because these kinds of people won't listen to anyone else. Then again I'm not sure even THAT would help either, these people are taking the turbulence caused by caustic media hyping up shit that started with Trayvon Martin's death, and has now turned into some warped version of a "Civil Rights Movement". The fact that they're dancing around the burning bonfire of art and culture, I just don't even know what to feel right now as I type this post out. The only thing I can be happy, is that obviously it's not everyone doing this. There are still people that have a brain to protest peacefully and not go this deep, and understand that the terrible shit that was done over 100 years ago, doesn't reflect White Americans/Europeans. Because I didn't come out of the womb in '93 wearing my Klan hood how did I?
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;49775658]No. I'm not saying to burn art, I just don't think that it's logical to be so reactionary to this as you are. I didn't even say to burn white people art or any art at all. I didn't imply this, I believe.[/QUOTE] but your argument for why it isn't important is literally just "well I don't care" it isn't about whether or not you care, it's about whether or not the rest of humanity from now until the end of time will care and I'm pretty fucking certain some of them will
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;49775574]no, don't you see colonialist ghosts living inside the paintings were creeping out at night and spooking the innocent people of south africa it was self defense!![/QUOTE] wow, what idiots, should've just called the ghost busters! oh wait, can't do that, they're white
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;49775658]No. I'm not saying to burn art, I just don't think that it's logical to be so reactionary to this as you are. I didn't even say to burn white people art or any art at all. I didn't imply this, I believe.[/QUOTE] they're a bunch of racists that burned history because "white people" oh sorry i forgot you can't be racist towards white people, my bad. forgot to check my privilege today
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;49775671]Man this thread turned nuts in a matter of minutes. We need someone who can slam this shit down, sadly it has to be a African-American because these kinds of people won't listen to anyone else. Then again I'm not sure even THAT would help either, these people are taking the turbulence caused by caustic media hyping up shit that started with Trayvon Martin's death, and has now turned into some warped version of a "Civil Rights Movement". The fact that they're dancing around the burning bonfire of art and culture, I just don't even know what to feel right now as I type this post out. The only thing I can be happy, is that obviously it's not everyone doing this. There are still people that have a brain to protest peacefully and not go this deep, and understand that the terrible shit that was done over 100 years ago, doesn't reflect White Americans/Europeans. Because I didn't come out of the womb in '93 wearing my Klan hood how did I?[/QUOTE] this is south africa it has nothing to do with trayvon martin or blm jesus christ please read the fucking thread
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;49775654]And when are those pyramids going to get what's coming to them? Those were built on the backs of serfs enslaved by a theocratic dictatorship! And it's not like we need them anyway.[/QUOTE] And the beautiful Assyrian bas-reliefs. Smash 'em like the Assyrians smashed the heads of disobedient slaves.
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