Schizophrenic man believed he was beheading an alien
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[QUOTE=Recurracy;36077094]I still think not guilty by reason of insanity is some bullshit, even if they don't know what they're doing at the time. They most likely know they have insanity in some way or shape; they should adapt their life to it if possible (which is probably hard).
That's just my stupid opinion, and I feel it's biased as hell.
[editline]24th May 2012[/editline]
He could've gotten some help before it got out of hand.[/QUOTE]
Okay yes grab some one who has a serious problem and lock them in prison great idea.
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;36078483]Using the example of a homicide case, if a mentally impaired person causes the death of a person because of their psychological affliction, shouldn't it be considered third degree murder?[/QUOTE]
well, take manslaughter for instance. it's caused when negligence results in the death of a person, and yes, the people at fault can end up in jail for that. but the thing is, it isn't really the fault of the murderous party; as far as I know, schizophrenia only works when they think the delusions are real. it isn't their fault for thinking that, and it's only rarely that they're in a position where they believe they're in need of treatment.
in that case, nobody has been unjustifiably negligent. the murderous party was not of sound mind during the act, and as there was nobody to notice the insanity, nobody had the information to act. it's practically a victimless crime as far as the legal side goes.
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;36078521]Okay yes grab some one who has a serious problem and lock them in prison great idea.[/QUOTE] We already do that with all sorts of people in the United States and Canada.
Why don't science focus on what causes people to brew up so much hate and fear so that they do some insanely violent shit.
Because sometimes it isn't about schizophrenia or any other mental illness, just a bad, douchebag of a person.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;36078658]Why don't science focus on what causes people to brew up so much hate and fear so that they do some insanely violent shit. Because sometimes it isn't about schizophrenia or any other mental illness, just a bad, douchebag of a person.[/QUOTE] How do you know they are just a douchebag? Back in the day we used to think that schizophrenia meant that the person was either possessed, or just plain out a bad person. We used to think sociopaths were just bad people before we understood more about the disorder. We used to think autistic kids were just retarded or ill-disciplined.
This reminds me of Indigo Prophecy, minus the stupid MAYAN COUNCIL OF EVUL DURR DURR
[QUOTE=Cone;36078570]well, take manslaughter for instance. it's caused when negligence results in the death of a person, and yes, the people at fault can end up in jail for that. but the thing is, it isn't really the fault of the murderous party; as far as I know, schizophrenia only works when they think the delusions are real. it isn't their fault for thinking that, and it's only rarely that they're in a position where they believe they're in need of treatment.
in that case, nobody has been unjustifiably negligent. the murderous party was not of sound mind during the act, and as there was nobody to notice the insanity, nobody had the information to act. it's practically a victimless crime as far as the legal side goes.[/QUOTE]
You raise some good points. I'll admit, I'm not too opinionated regarding this issue, and the only reason I kept arguing was out of bitterness for Sanius's attack on my morality.
I know we don't really see eye-to-eye on a lot of issues, but I must say, I do appreciate your professionalism.
[QUOTE=Hobo4President;36078386]So is the guy completely free? I understand that he obviously doesn't have control over his illness but is it really alright just releasing him? I would hope at the very least they would be providing him with some therapy.[/QUOTE]
This is bannable, you know. Not reading the OP asking questions that reading it would have answered.
Also, Bobba Fett: They cannot be treated as regular adults because they are not regular adults. This does not mean they are sub human. Just because someone needs to be treated differently does not mean they're sub human.
[editline]24th May 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;36078658]Why don't science focus on what causes people to brew up so much hate and fear so that they do some insanely violent shit.
Because sometimes it isn't about schizophrenia or any other mental illness, just a bad, douchebag of a person.[/QUOTE]
People like you disgust me. You ignore science and reason and prefer to let emotion and feelings guide your opinions. Just because you would like to think that "he was just a bad, douchebag of a person" doesn't mean that he is.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;36078709]We used to think autistic kids were just retarded[/QUOTE]
But.. Isn't that true? I mean, I know "retarded" is politically incorrect now but technically it's correct. The politically correct term would be "mentally challenged"
[QUOTE=Cone;36077070]not guilty [I]by reason of insanity[/I]
are you going to argue he is not clinically insane[/QUOTE]
I'd argue he doesn't deserve a mental institution. He may have been crazy to have thought the man an alien. But to decapitate said alien while being under no threat. Your not just crazy, you're psychotic. What if aliens really were here, that'd be one hell of a way to greet them, don't yea think?
[QUOTE=The golden;36079550]Mixture are A) Nobody wants to fuck with a insane killer with a knife, and B) Innocent Bystander effect.[/QUOTE]
I was told of the bystander effect. A single person has a higher chance of calling for help than a group does. Where one man knows he is the only hope for the victim, a group would assume that someone in that group has gone for help already. And thus, do nothing.
[QUOTE=Jurikuer;36079536]I'd argue he doesn't deserve a mental institution. He may have been crazy to have thought the man an alien. But to decapitate said alien while being under no threat. Your not just crazy, you're psychotic. What if aliens really were here, that'd be one hell of a way to greet them, don't yea think?[/QUOTE]
well, I'd imagine the best way to avoid schizophrenic people ruining our intergalactic relations would be to put the schizophrenic people on pills, give them a doctor to help them not be schizophrenic, and keep them away from pointy objects. jail time isn't necessary or helpful.
[QUOTE=Cone;36079591]well, I'd imagine the best way to avoid schizophrenic people ruining our intergalactic relations would be to put the schizophrenic people on pills, give them a doctor to help them not be schizophrenic, and keep them away from pointy objects. jail time isn't necessary or helpful.[/QUOTE]
I'd imagine the victims family would disagree.
[QUOTE=Jurikuer;36079651]I'd imagine the victims family would disagree.[/QUOTE]
Good thing emotionally enraged people are not given a word in the final decision.
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[QUOTE=The golden;36079550]Mixture are A) Nobody wants to fuck with a insane killer with a knife, and B) Innocent Bystander effect.[/QUOTE]
More like A. Even if there was a single person, I doubt he'd do much against a murderous psycho. Instead of "someone else can do it" everyone was probably thinking "fuck no I don't want to die"
[QUOTE=Jurikuer;36079651]I'd imagine the victims family would disagree.[/QUOTE]
they can try and argue against all the evidence that recedivism works better without jails focused on retribution, and they can say that "he must be PUNISHED" as much as they like. at the end of the day, putting this guy in a cell isn't going to make him any less crazy, the victim isn't going to feel any better (because, well, he's dead), and we're still gonna have a violent schizophrenic man who often finds himself thinking he's being attacked by aliens locked in a facility with at least twenty or so other people.
he is a dangerous person who has killed before, and he's gonna keep getting worse unless we get him the help he needs. if the family of the victim can live with leaving a man trapped in his own brain and constantly struggling to regain composure all because they think he deserves it, I have zero sympathty for them.
[QUOTE=Recurracy;36077094]
He could've gotten some help before it got out of hand.[/QUOTE]
Some people with this sort of condition are in a state of mind where they don't believe they need or can be helped.
I remember almost a decade ago I used to have a bad reaction an anti-anxiety medication I took that ended up doing the opposite of what it was meant to do. At some point I developed incredibly irrational fears that would turn on and off, like being afraid of going outside out of fear that gravity could flip and that I would fall into space, the fear that someone was going to try to kill me by pumping acid in my plumbing, and various other fears.
I didn't actively seek help because I was afraid of what would be done to me if people what was going on in my mind, so I just kept taking the medication and hoped that it would help me. It didn't help that I was like 13 at the time.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;36078618]We already do that with all sorts of people in the United States and Canada.[/QUOTE]
And that is a problem.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;36077043]REALLY? The guy is hearing voices in his head and he, apparently, doesn't go to get help?[/QUOTE]
When most of the country you live in also believes God speaks to them at some point or another, it's pretty easy to assume the voice you hear is that one. An inability to self-analyze and attribute cause is characteristic of schizophrenia, and a culture that endorses belief in the supernatural provides reasonable grounds for the person to accept that perhaps the superstition was correct, rather than realizing the problem is with their perception.
There are rare cases where someone who is usually well-read provides self-diagnosis and seeks treatment, but the majority of schizophrenics (as well as people with other mental disorders) do not realize they are ill. To them the world is just an incredibly supernatural place.
[QUOTE=Cone;36077070]not guilty [I]by reason of insanity[/I]
are you going to argue he is not clinically insane[/QUOTE]
All murderers are insane to an extent, except if you're a gangsta or summin
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;36077043]REALLY? The guy is hearing voices in his head and he, apparently, doesn't go to get help?[/QUOTE]
He's a paranoid schizophrenic. He believes these delusions are real.
Would you seek help from a medical professional if aliens were actually pursuing you? That's how he felt.
That's just plain fucked up, I can't even begin to imagine how that guy's family had to go through, knowing that someone they loved was cruelly mutilated by some fucking psychopath.
I'd imagine that murdering a sentient alien, unless in self defense would also be a crime
[QUOTE=valkery;36076933]That is one of the most fucked-up real life stories I have read in a long time.[/QUOTE]
Nah, the Scaramento Vampire was more fucked up.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Chase#Fictional_portrayals[/url]
Done what this guy did to 6 people, and even then this guy is vanilla as far as serial killers go.
[editline]24th May 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Biotoxsin;36082791]I'd imagine that murdering a sentient alien, unless in self defense would also be a crime[/QUOTE]
The guy is a paranoid schizophrenic man, the world he inhabits mentally is literally alien to ours.
[QUOTE=Biotoxsin;36082791]I'd imagine that murdering a sentient alien, unless in self defense would also be a crime[/QUOTE]
As far as he was concerned it was self defense. He bought the knife to defend himself specifically from the aliens.
I've always hated riding the Greyhound in Manitoba now, in fear of getting my head lopped off.
I remember this, scared me of public transportation.
Getting some serious deja vu with this thread. Did the crazy guy ever say this before or hint at it or something?
My buddy's wife works very near to the hospital and said she saw him walking about on his day pass. Very creepy and neat.
This shit is nuts
I never wanted to ride a bus but now......
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