• Rebecca Ann Sedwick, 12, commits suicide after extensive harassment
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"I think this, therefore I am right."
Bullying exists in reality, we know that, what makes it hard to believe it exists over the internet in forums and social media sites? If I wrang a kid up everyday over the phone telling him he was worthless, he deserved to die and I regularly teased him on a day to day basis, does the bullying not count because its over the phone? It still harasses the person which im sure is what bullying is.
[QUOTE=gudman;42199546]I don't really care for bullshit, sorry. Saying that "cyber-bullying" is a real separate entity on its own is plain wrong and idiocy. Everyone who believes that is an idiot.[/QUOTE] If you actually read the thread you would see atleast 4 posts from different users saying exactly why your last two posts were wrong.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;42197523]"Bullied people should just give up their social life. They'll be so much happier afterwards."[/QUOTE] Really? So, if you like petting lions, but lions try to kill you, you'll just keep on doing it because you like it, even though they might kill you? Wow, several FP members act like a social life is basically living the "dream" that you just can't lay it off even if it fucking brings you down. Unbelievable. [editline]15th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Gwoodman;42199717]"I think this, therefore I am right."[/QUOTE] The same doesn't applies to anyone else here, hm?
[QUOTE=dass;42200111]Wow, several FP members act like a social life is basically living the "dream" that you just can't lay it off even if it fucking brings you down. Unbelievable.[/QUOTE] Social interaction is a vital part of a average humans life. So cutting that off isn't the solution you ninny. That's a shitty workaround, when the problem should be flat-out solved instead.
[QUOTE=Van-man;42200196]Social interaction is a vital part of a average humans life. So cutting that off isn't the solution you ninny. That's a shitty workaround, when the problem should be flat-out solved instead.[/QUOTE] he doesnt even have a valid argument its his typical 'well, i never felt that way, therefore that person is wrong' then when we point out he's wrong to judge a dead human being by his standard because everyone's mindset and circumstances are different, as well the fact that trivializing cyber-bullying makes these kind of suicides less of an issue and only fosters environment for this event to happen, he does his typical 'WOW, MENTIONING MY BAN HISTORY' then refuses to refute anything while calling us shitposters lol
[QUOTE=Van-man;42200196]Social interaction is a vital part of a average humans life. So cutting that off isn't the solution you ninny. That's a shitty workaround, when the problem should be flat-out solved instead.[/QUOTE] It doesn't means you can't cut it off by all means. We're talking about a person's well being, which imo is above if she will be the hippest of hip in the crowd in a few years. You guys constantly talk smack that we say its easy and bla bla bla, but you aren't giving a fuck about her well being over being popular, what the fuck.
[QUOTE=dass;42200246]It doesn't means you can't cut it off by all means. We're talking about a person's well being, which imo is above if she will be the hippest of hip in the crowd in a few years. You guys constantly talk smack that we say its easy and bla bla bla, but you aren't giving a fuck about her well being over being popular, what the fuck.[/QUOTE] whose saying she should be popular we're saying she deserves a social life and access to tools to have a decent one without being harassed if she signed back to social tool, she probably wanted to use it to connect with her new friends she made in school, it was either being isolated or try connect with people socially again. for all we know, she likes talking to friends and shit to release stress like how we play videogames to release stress like i seriously can't believe we're still talking about this you have a better hindsight and mental strength than a 12 year old do you want a medal or something??
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;42200335]whose saying she should be popular we're saying she deserves a social life and access to tools to have a decent one without being harassed if she signed back to social tool, she probably wanted to use it to connect with her new friends she made in school, it was either being isolated or try connect with people socially again. for all we know, she likes talking to friends and shit to release stress like how we play videogames to release stress like i seriously can't believe we're still talking about this you have a better hindsight and mental strength than a 12 year old do you want a medal or something??[/QUOTE] No, keep it for your edgyness towards just about anything :) Nobody is saying she doesn't deserves a social life. I AM saying that she should set her social life aside for a while to avoid assholes. Is that really that hard to comprehend?
[QUOTE=dass;42200441]No, keep it for your edgyness towards just about anything :) Nobody is saying she doesn't deserves a social life. I AM saying that she should set her social life aside for a while to avoid assholes. Is that really that hard to comprehend?[/QUOTE] So she should cut off the rest of the people that were probably trying to help her just because of some assholes? .. Great idea! Noone needs support to get through anything in life anyways!
[QUOTE=dass;42200441]No, keep it for your edgyness towards just about anything :) Nobody is saying she doesn't deserves a social life. I AM saying that she should set her social life aside for a while to avoid assholes. Is that really that hard to comprehend?[/QUOTE] humans are social creatures, if cavemen weren't social they would have all died out. you can't just cut off social interaction when it's such a fundamental human thing.
[QUOTE=dass;42200111]Wow, several FP members act like a social life is basically living the "dream" that you just can't lay it off even if it fucking brings you down. Unbelievable.[/QUOTE] Hahaha holy shit am I hallucinating shit posts by weirdos or is this actually happening?
[QUOTE=dass;42200441]No, keep it for your edgyness towards just about anything :) Nobody is saying she doesn't deserves a social life. I AM saying that she should set her social life aside for a while to avoid assholes. Is that really that hard to comprehend?[/QUOTE] Is it really hard to comprehend the other posts in this thread? She didn't instantly go on facebook after getting her access taken away for a day, she installed a messenger application to talk to the few friends she had, using a secret account, after some time had passed and she felt safe enough to do that. At this point, her only option would to not use any internet at all because they were willing to track her down on fucking kik messenger of all things after it had been months. How long should she stay away from basic things like "communication through other means than face-to-face" to get rid of assholes according to you? 3-4 years? Is it really her fault that she's got assholes willing to make her life this miserable, or is that those assholes' fault? If i tell you to not go on the internet for over a year or else, is it your fault for going on the internet or my fault for hurting you if you do?
[QUOTE=Mr. Tripp;42200460]humans are social creatures, if cavemen weren't social they would have all died out. you can't just cut off social interaction when it's such a fundamental human thing.[/QUOTE] Except when people do because they know they have to...
[QUOTE=dass;42200586]Except when people do because they know they have to...[/QUOTE] Have you even considered that the very fact she had to either cut off or limit her access to social interaction might be part of why she got depressed? Social interaction is important to some people you know. [editline]15th September 2013[/editline] Completely unrelated to the discussion with dass, I just took another look at the ratings on the OP, and the fact that 47 people think it's funny that a girl got so depressed and hated her own life so much that the only way she saw out of it was suicide, is really disturbing.
[QUOTE=dass;42200111] Wow, several FP members act like a social life is basically living the "dream" that you just can't lay it off even if it fucking brings you down. Unbelievable.[/QUOTE] i have no idea what this even means or tries to communicate as a statement. are we really that weird because we think that having a social life isnt something you drop for a bit and come back to? my guess is no
[QUOTE=LarparNar;42200642]Have you even considered that the very fact she had to either cut off or limit her access to social interaction might be part of why she got depressed? Social interaction is important to some people you know. [editline]15th September 2013[/editline] Completely unrelated to the discussion with dass, I just took another look at the ratings on the OP, and the fact that 47 people think it's funny that a girl got so depressed and hated her own life so much that the only way she saw out of it was suicide, is really disturbing.[/QUOTE] And did you read that once she limited her social interaction, she started to get better? And that she commited suicide after going back to it? [editline]15th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;42200682]i have no idea what this even means or tries to communicate as a statement. are we really that weird because we think that having a social life isnt something you drop for a bit and come back to? my guess is no[/QUOTE] I guess you've got a lot to learn then? You guys make it sound like forbidden magic what the fuck
[QUOTE=dass;42200773]And did you read that once she limited her social interaction, she started to get better? And that she commited suicide after going back to it?[/QUOTE] So because she wasn't able to be bullied, she should continue living the life of a shut-in who never talks to any of her peers outside of school just because a group of people are trying to ruin her life? Can you really not see the gaping fucking flaw in this logic? Giving up the ability to use the internet, phones, any form of communication really, just because a group of asshats have it out for you is fucking asinine (big word, I know, I'm sure you can manage it if you try). The victim should not have to give up everything they like to do just because people are giving them shit over it, that is victim blaming. Do you also happen to believe that women who get raped shouldn't wear such short skirts? I would find a similar one for race but you've shown in the past you think some races are lesser than your own.
Half of me, in an almost dark humored way, believes that this is the real reason for the NSA. Identify the assholes and stop the drama, because it gets annoying. Also, welcome to the wild west of the internet, the internet does not harm*. *We have fooled ourselves into believing this, in fact all of the trolling and shit we took has hardened us into massive assholes hence why women get abused horrifically in it.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;42200922]So because she wasn't able to be bullied, she should continue living the life of a shut-in who never talks to any of her peers outside of school just because a group of people are trying to ruin her life? Can you really not see the gaping fucking flaw in this logic? Giving up the ability to use the internet, phones, any form of communication really, just because a group of asshats have it out for you is fucking asinine (big word, I know, I'm sure you can manage it if you try). The victim should not have to give up everything they like to do just because people are giving them shit over it, that is victim blaming. Do you also happen to believe that women who get raped shouldn't wear such short skirts? I would find a similar one for race but you've shown in the past you think some races are lesser than your own.[/QUOTE] Did not expect you, of all people, to give me those old "tryhard witty" arguments coming from my ban history, that have nothing to do with this, are pure shitstorm baits and are just plain offtopic. You usually come up with actually good arguments instead of that. Not to mention that are completely wrong, but who cares right? Backpeddlin'! Get off the bubble. MILLIONS of people simply work around it and stop giving a fuck about it. They bug you on the phone? Change numbers or simply block them on your carrier. They bug you on facebook? Block and report them for christ sake. NOPE, lets suicide! You guys are giving the bullies so much merit that you make it sound like they are hackers who got into their computer, breaking and entering experts who broke into their house and woke her up calling her a bitch, and literally flooded her head with some kind of mind control to make her crash hard. I've seen FP being completely biased to one side, hearing the rest of the story and then completely turning face and coming from another way, and I've also seen FP being blind. I don't even know how the fuck nobody raises a finger at this being a dispute over a fucking 12 year old boy, which makes it even more ridiculous.
[QUOTE=dass;42200773] I guess you've got a lot to learn then?[/QUOTE] learn about what what are we learning about what is even the point of saying this on an internet forum
[QUOTE=dass;42201046]Did not expect you, of all people, to give me those old "tryhard witty" arguments coming from my ban history, that have nothing to do with this, are pure shitstorm baits and are just plain offtopic. You usually come up with actually good arguments instead of that. Not to mention that are completely wrong, but who cares right? Backpeddlin'! Get off the bubble. MILLIONS of people simply work around it and stop giving a fuck about it. They bug you on the phone? Change numbers or simply block them on your carrier. They bug you on facebook? Block and report them for christ sake. NOPE, lets suicide! You guys are giving the bullies so much merit that you make it sound like they are hackers who got into their computer, breaking and entering experts who broke into their house and woke her up calling her a bitch, and literally flooded her head with some kind of mind control to make her crash hard. I've seen FP being completely biased to one side, hearing the rest of the story and then completely turning face and coming from another way, and I've also seen FP being blind. I don't even know how the fuck nobody raises a finger at this being a dispute over a fucking 12 year old boy, which makes it even more ridiculous.[/QUOTE] I know it's quite out of character for me, but more recently I've been getting fed up with the amount of people blaming the victims of bullying here, rather than blaming the bullies. Suggesting that the victim goes out of their way to avoid it, by (as you suggested); changing phone numbers (inconvenient), blocking people constantly (fair, but a pain in the ass if they alt, and it doesn't stop them spreading shit). Why should the [B]victim[/B] (key word!) have to work their life around the bullying? I know that culture teaches kids not to snitch on each other, and that admitting to bullying is a sign of weakness, but that shit really needs to stop when it's pushing more and more people to suicide. Just because the bullying is now online, does not mean the victim should take measures that impact their use of social tools negatively. Believing this is just pure insanity.
[QUOTE=dass;42201046]Did not expect you, of all people, to give me those old "tryhard witty" arguments coming from my ban history, that have nothing to do with this, are pure shitstorm baits and are just plain offtopic. You usually come up with actually good arguments instead of that. Not to mention that are completely wrong, but who cares right? Backpeddlin'! Get off the bubble. MILLIONS of people simply work around it and stop giving a fuck about it. They bug you on the phone? Change numbers or simply block them on your carrier. They bug you on facebook? Block and report them for christ sake. NOPE, lets suicide! You guys are giving the bullies so much merit that you make it sound like they are hackers who got into their computer, breaking and entering experts who broke into their house and woke her up calling her a bitch, and literally flooded her head with some kind of mind control to make her crash hard. I've seen FP being completely biased to one side, hearing the rest of the story and then completely turning face and coming from another way, and I've also seen FP being blind. I don't even know how the fuck nobody raises a finger at this being a dispute over a fucking 12 year old boy, which makes it even more ridiculous.[/QUOTE] I can't take you seriously. Victim blaming, really? going [I]THAT [/I]low? You're worse than the scum who bullied her.
I got solutions: Install tracking devices into all devices that can use to bully, put cameras everythere, send bully to work camp
[QUOTE=Van-man;42201272]I can't take you seriously. Victim blaming, really? going [I]THAT [/I]low? You're worse than the scum who bullied her.[/QUOTE] I can't take you guys seriously either. I'm blaming her for going back to the same shit, which made her kill herself. Nothing else. That was increadibly stupid of her, and she fucking knew it would be bad for her. I really don't care what you think about me. It's as simple as that. If it was bad for her, why did she go back to it? And don't give me "BUT SOCIAL LIFE HURR" shit. [QUOTE=hexpunK;42201232]I know it's quite out of character for me, but more recently I've been getting fed up with the amount of people blaming the victims of bullying here, rather than blaming the bullies. Suggesting that the victim goes out of their way to avoid it, by (as you suggested); changing phone numbers (inconvenient), blocking people constantly (fair, but a pain in the ass if they alt, and it doesn't stop them spreading shit). Why should the [B]victim[/B] (key word!) have to work their life around the bullying? I know that culture teaches kids not to snitch on each other, and that admitting to bullying is a sign of weakness, but that shit really needs to stop when it's pushing more and more people to suicide. Just because the bullying is now online, does not mean the victim should take measures that impact their use of social tools negatively. Believing this is just pure insanity.[/QUOTE] Well, do you suggest she kills herself instead of working out her way around the bullying since nobody else does anything towards her well being? What other option are you and anyone else giving other than patting her on the back? And how is it anywhere near an ACTUAL OPTION to go straight back to the place where the bullies are? How hard is it to avoid things that hurt you?!
Also, when kids are being teased, they should just ignore the bullies and put their hands over their ears going la la la la, because its just so EASY to block people bullying you.
[QUOTE=dass;42201398]I can't take you guys seriously either. I'm blaming her for going back to the same shit, which made her kill herself. Nothing else. That was increadibly stupid of her, and she fucking knew it would be bad for her. I really don't care what you think about me. It's as simple as that. If it was bad for her, why did she go back to it? And don't give me "BUT SOCIAL LIFE HURR" shit.[/QUOTE] jesus christ [B][I][U]it doesn't matter if she went back to where she received it the people who were harassing her are the ones who are morally incorrect because they were fucking treating another fucking human being like garbage that is entirely inexcusable, and it is entirely their fault[/U][/I][/B] you are acting as though a twelve year old girl (who has already undergone extensive psychological trauma) has the same amount of cognition and emotional clarity as some empathetically-dead 20-something sitting at his desk making shitposts on an online forum.
[QUOTE=joes33431;42201541]jesus christ [B][I][U]it doesn't matter if she went back to where she received it the people who were harassing her are the ones who are morally incorrect because they were fucking treating another fucking human being like garbage that is entirely inexcusable, and it is entirely their fault[/U][/I][/B] you are acting as though a twelve year old girl (who has already undergone extensive psychological trauma) has the same amount of cognition and emotional clarity as some empathetically-dead 20-something sitting at his desk making shitposts on an online forum.[/QUOTE] Newsflash: [B]Nobody is fucking excusing them[/B]. I wonder why does it takes FP so much time to realize something simple like that so many times. And why do you dismiss her as being a braindead person?
imo if you're not stronk in some aspect its usually your own fault. but if someone else abuses your weakness it's worse.
[QUOTE=dass;42201563]Newsflash: [b]Nobody is fucking excusing them[/b]. I wonder why does it takes FP so much time to realize something simple like that so many times.[/QUOTE] because it [B][I]doesn't matter that the victim did this or that[/I][/B] it's the fault of the people doing the harassing! i wonder why it takes [I]you[/I] so much time to realize something simple like [I]that[/I] [QUOTE=dass;42201563]And why do you dismiss her as being a braindead person?[/QUOTE] teenagers are not known for their startling capacity for making rational decisions you're the one who's treating her like an idiot for dismissing all of the possible reasons that she didn't just say fuck all to her social life.
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