Rebecca Ann Sedwick, 12, commits suicide after extensive harassment
611 replies, posted
[QUOTE=duckmaster;42203750]Well I'll feel like shit and shorten my life span by a substantial amount, but at least I'll still be " alive "[/QUOTE]
Don't take this the wrong way but I don't think you understand why people decide to end their lives. It is, at it's core, an irrational action. There's no rational process of dissecting the pros and cons of living like you are able to do now. They just are in so much distress that it [I]seems[/I] like it's the only solution.
Think of it as dead end alley that gets narrower as you go on: the people near the middle and the entrance have more room to move around and get back out, but to the people near the dead end, it seems like they're trapped and it's impossible to get out.
[QUOTE=dass;42202314][B]Honestly, who the fuck is blaming her?[/B]
It goes like this.
The bullies are at fault.
She got back on messaging services, yet the bullies were still there.
Why stay on the messaging services if you can't block them out then? Why keep getting hit and not find something else for a social life?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=dass;42201398][B]I'm blaming her[/B] for going back to the same shit, which made her kill herself. Nothing else. That was increadibly stupid of her, and she fucking knew it would be bad for her.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;42203317]"If she didn't want to be bullied, maybe she shouldn't have been so bully-able."[/QUOTE]
Reminds me of people who try to justify rape.
[QUOTE=dass;42202314]Honestly, who the fuck is blaming her?
It goes like this.
The bullies are at fault.
She got back on messaging services, yet the bullies were still there.
Why stay on the messaging services if you can't block them out then? Why keep getting hit and not find something else for a social life?[/QUOTE]
No, you're clearly making it seem like her fault that she wants to be able to use messaging services without having to be bullied. Like a normal kid.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;42204401]No, you're clearly making it seem like her fault that she wants to be able to use messaging services without having to be bullied. Like a normal kid.[/QUOTE]
Except she couldn't, and there was nothing she could do about it other than ignoring it, sadly.
[QUOTE=dass;42203369]Then again, its hard to persuade stubborn people who live in black and white worlds.[/QUOTE]
Yes, no one can convince you that you're wrong precisely because you feel like this and you act like you're not in that view set?
God damn you're stubborn
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[QUOTE=dass;42204424]Except she couldn't, and there was nothing she could do about it other than ignoring it, sadly.[/QUOTE]
So this makes it her fault she died and not the bullies being persistent and hurtful to her?
No one should be banned from a service because other people are cock munchers.
[QUOTE=dass;42204424]Except she couldn't, and there was nothing she could do about it other than ignoring it, sadly.[/QUOTE]
And you don't see a problem with the fact she had to avoid it like the plague because of a bunch of fuckwits with the same mentality as you?
I just want to clarify; in no way am I trying to disrespect her, or her family, or current affairs between the family.
It's absolutely awful that she had to take her own life over a trivial matter, don't mis-translate on that, it truly is; but even though I know I'll be dumbed for this, the internet is NOT serious, bullying is, I agree, whatever form it comes in, I've had my fair share, in school and online, like most people. But what you have to remember is that she [i]knew[/i] she had the option to talk to her parents, the antagonistic girl's parents, or even a teacher. She also had the option to block these people on whatever network she was using. (someone clarify me if i'm wrong, i don't use much other than facebook).
To me, although tragically horrible, it's showing how stupidly superficial this world's current young minds are. Not only that, but she's twelve. And she killed herself over this, to me that is ridiculous, no matter how saddening.
Like I said, deepest sympathies, but to me, it's just starting to get ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Jacknife;42204499]I just want to clarify; in no way am I trying to disrespect her, or her family, or current affairs between the family.
It's absolutely awful that she had to take her own life over a trivial matter, don't mis-translate on that, it truly is; but even though I know I'll be dumbed for this, the internet is NOT serious, bullying is, I agree, whatever form it comes in, I've had my fair share, in school and online, like most people. But what you have to remember is that she [I]knew[/I] she had the option to talk to her parents, the antagonistic girl's parents, or even a teacher. She also had the option to block these people on whatever network she was using. (someone clarify me if i'm wrong, i don't use much other than facebook).
To me, although tragically horrible, it's showing how stupidly superficial this world's current young minds are. Not only that, but she's twelve. And she killed herself over this, to me that is ridiculous, no matter how saddening.
Like I said, deepest sympathies, but to me, it's just starting to get ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
You expect hormonal kids to be rational?
You also expect those dickwad fucktards to be easy to ignore?
lol, you're the fool here for expecting that.
[QUOTE=Jacknife;42204499]I just want to clarify; in no way am I trying to disrespect her, or her family, or current affairs between the family.
It's absolutely awful that she had to take her own life over a trivial matter, don't mis-translate on that, it truly is; but even though I know I'll be dumbed for this, the internet is NOT serious, bullying is, I agree, whatever form it comes in, I've had my fair share, in school and online, like most people. But what you have to remember is that she [i]knew[/i] she had the option to talk to her parents, the antagonistic girl's parents, or even a teacher. She also had the option to block these people on whatever network she was using. (someone clarify me if i'm wrong, i don't use much other than facebook).
To me, although tragically horrible, it's showing how stupidly[B] superficial this world's current young minds are. Not only that, but she's twelve. And she killed herself over this, to me that is ridiculous, no matter how saddening.
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Like I said, deepest sympathies, but to me, it's just starting to get ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
What do you think kids in the 50's were beacons of youthful intelligence or some shit? Where the hell do people get the idea that kids today are too stupid, and too weak to survive anything because the world they live in is vastly different than any world any other kids of any other generation had to live through?
I don't get it, and it is stupid as all hell.
[QUOTE=Van-man;42204524]You expect hormonal kids to be rational?
You also expect those dickwad fucktards to be easy to ignore?
lol, you're the fool here for expecting that.[/QUOTE]
I was just voicing an opinion but ok
[QUOTE=Jacknife;42204540]I was just voicing an opinion but ok[/QUOTE]
Since facts invalidate it, it was stupid.
[QUOTE=Jacknife;42204540]I was just voicing an opinion but ok[/QUOTE]
if your opinion is that the sky is green, should I value it?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;42204434]So this makes it her fault she died and not the bullies being persistent and hurtful to her?
No one should be banned from a service because other people are cock munchers.[/QUOTE]
Well, guess what, the world is filled up to the brimm with people worse than that, especially on the working world.
[QUOTE=Van-man;42204474]And you don't see a problem with the fact she had to avoid it like the plague because of a bunch of fuckwits with the same mentality as you?[/QUOTE]
Same mentality as me, thats a new one.
I do see a problem. What in the hell makes it look like I don't see a problem in that? That isn't even the point.
What would she even do about that other than staying away from it, if nothing else worked?
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[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;42204568]if your opinion is that the sky is green, should I value it?[/QUOTE]
What if he has some kind of daltonism?
[QUOTE=dass;42204583]Well, guess what, the world is filled up to the brimm with people worse than that, especially on the working world.
Same mentality as me, thats a new one.
I do see a problem. What in the hell makes it look like I don't see a problem in that? That isn't even the point.
What would she even do about that other than staying away from it, if nothing else worked?[/QUOTE]
Yes I know that, full well after having worked with people.
However, this is okay? This is the proper progression of things? That people should bully as kids, and only learn to be bigger bullies as adults? This is what happens and your indifference and cold stupidity towards those that suffer these problems is only ever going to make it worse, and will only ever foster more people who grow up thinking it's perfectly fine to shit in your sundae because they're mean and they're bullies and no one's ever stopped them before.
You're victim blaming, plain and simple, and this is gives bullies more power to be bigger bullies. And you wouldn't realize this if a bully beat your teeth in I bet.
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[QUOTE=dass;42204583]
[editline]15th September 2013[/editline]
What if he has some kind of daltonism?[/QUOTE]
his perception has nothing to do with truth.
[QUOTE=dass;42204424]Except she couldn't, and there was nothing she could do about it other than ignoring it, sadly.[/QUOTE]
Ignoring things doesn't make them go away, jackass.
"I have cancer, but if ignore it maybe it will go away"
[QUOTE=dass;42204583]Well, guess what, the world is filled up to the brimm with people worse than that, especially on the working world.
Same mentality as me, thats a new one.
I do see a problem. What in the hell makes it look like I don't see a problem in that? That isn't even the point.
What would she even do about that other than staying away from it, if nothing else worked?[/QUOTE]
She [I]SHOULDN'T HAVE TO[/I] stay away from it.
Yet you're taking the easy, insensitive and lazy route and saying she should, instead of attacking the actual problem.
Which is fuckwits thinking she's a piece of trash for no good reason and constantly tracking her down no matter what.
And yet you [I]STILL [/I]have the nerve...
Take a look in the mirror, and you'd see a major contributer to bullying.
By special treating the victim by isolating her, the perps are given the green light to continue later on, maybe even on another person.
[QUOTE=Van-man;42204646]She [I]SHOULDN'T HAVE TO[/I] stay away from it.
Yet you're taking the easy, insensitive and lazy route and saying she should, instead of attacking the actual problem.
Which is fuckwits thinking she's a piece of trash for no good reason and constantly tracking her down no matter what.
And yet you [I]STILL [/I]have the nerve...
Take a look in the mirror, and you'd see a major contributer to bullying.
By special treating the victim by isolating her, the perps are given the green light to continue later on, maybe even on another person.[/QUOTE]
(Refering to Dass)It can't get any simple as what he just said, if you don't understand this, what you think of humanity in general is pretty messed up.
Children shouldn't be isolated from life, just because some idiots hate you for no reason.
nvm, ninja edit...
[QUOTE=Van-man;42204686]what...[/QUOTE]
he's saying you're right I think
[QUOTE=Van-man;42204646]She [I]SHOULDN'T HAVE TO[/I] stay away from it.
Yet you're taking the easy, insensitive and lazy route and saying she should, instead of attacking the actual problem.
Which is fuckwits thinking she's a piece of trash for no good reason and constantly tracking her down no matter what.
And yet you [I]STILL [/I]have the nerve...
Take a look in the mirror, and you'd see a major contributer to bullying.
By special treating the victim by isolating her, the perps are given the green light to continue later on, maybe even on another person.[/QUOTE]
How about you give us a solution for this problem then oh wise anon from a forum?
Major contributor to bullying? Hahahahahahahaha.
You can say I have 0 credibility, but yours flew out the window as soon as you said that. Funniest thing ever said about me.
[QUOTE=Van-man;42204686]nvm, ninja edit...[/QUOTE]
Sorry, I had to quickly edit because the first sentence sounded wrong only after I wrote it :v:
[editline]15th September 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=dass;42204702]How about you give us a solution for this problem then oh wise anon from a forum?
Major contributor to bullying? Hahahahahahahaha.
You can say I have 0 credibility, but yours flew out the window as soon as you said that. Funniest thing ever said about me.[/QUOTE]
How immature.
[QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;42204623]Ignoring things doesn't make them go away, jackass.
"I have cancer, but if ignore it maybe it will go away"[/QUOTE]
You're comparing a disease to human beings who act in the most common ways possible, good job.
[QUOTE=dass;42204702]How about you give us a solution for this problem then oh wise anon from a forum?
Major contributor to bullying? Hahahahahahahaha.
You can say I have 0 credibility, but yours flew out the window as soon as you said that. Funniest thing ever said about me.[/QUOTE]
How are you laughing? You're victim blaming. Plain and simple. Do you see this? Do you recognize comments like 'She shouldn't be going there if she doesn't want to get made fun of" is literally identical to "She shouldn't be wearing such slutty clothing if she doesn't want to be raped". Both are total invalidation's of another persons rights to not be fucked with. And you're saying "welp, you're stupid and that shit doesn't matter and i'm a good person!"
[editline]15th September 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=dass;42204733]You're comparing a disease to human beings who act in the most common ways possible, good job.[/QUOTE]
Shut. Up.
[B]He's comparing the act of ignoring your problems with the ACT OF IGNORING YOUR PROBLEMS[/B].
God damn learn to read.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;42204607]Yes I know that, full well after having worked with people.
However, this is okay? This is the proper progression of things? That people should bully as kids, and only learn to be bigger bullies as adults? This is what happens and your indifference and cold stupidity towards those that suffer these problems is only ever going to make it worse, and will only ever foster more people who grow up thinking it's perfectly fine to shit in your sundae because they're mean and they're bullies and no one's ever stopped them before.
You're victim blaming, plain and simple, and this is gives bullies more power to be bigger bullies. And you wouldn't realize this if a bully beat your teeth in I bet.[/QUOTE]
I know pretty damn well that I shouldn't go near the wrong people if I don't want to get hurt, like everyone else.
Nobody is saying its ok.
Do you have a better solution other than to be fucking away from it? You do? Does it work? Share it with us then! Meanwhile, how about you save your mental health and don't go near idiots who want to bully you so you don't get worse?
How fucking hard is it to do that when you can't do anything else?
I would hate to be your friend in real life at any level if this is how you show any degree of compassion and empathy.
[QUOTE=dass;42204767]I know pretty damn well that I shouldn't go near the wrong people if I don't want to get hurt, like everyone else.
Nobody is saying its ok.
Do you have a better solution other than to be fucking away from it? You do? Does it work? Share it with us then! Meanwhile, how about you save your mental health and don't go near idiots who want to bully you so you don't get worse?
How fucking hard is it to do that when you can't do anything else?[/QUOTE]
Just because you think you have a solution to something, doesn't mean that when somebody disagrees with it, it means they have the solution.
You have no reasoning, jesus, Sometimes what you think isn't always right.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;42204736]How are you laughing? You're victim blaming. Plain and simple. Do you see this? Do you recognize comments like 'She shouldn't be going there if she doesn't want to get made fun of" is literally identical to "She shouldn't be wearing such slutty clothing if she doesn't want to be raped". Both are total invalidation's of another persons rights to not be fucked with. And you're saying "welp, you're stupid and that shit doesn't matter and i'm a good person!"
[editline]15th September 2013[/editline]
Shut. Up.
[B]He's comparing the act of ignoring your problems with the ACT OF IGNORING YOUR PROBLEMS[/B].
God damn learn to read.[/QUOTE]
With a very bad example. Cancer doesn't goes away if you forget it. Bullies go away if you aren't near them.
I'm laughing because you're saying the silliest stuff I've ever seen.
So, you would go down a dangerous road because roads should not be dangerous?
Thats not how the world works, unfortunately.
[QUOTE=dass;42204802]With a very bad example. Cancer doesn't goes away if you forget it. Bullies go away if you aren't near them.[/QUOTE]
You don't go away if I ignore you.
Case in point, using your kind of logic.
[QUOTE=dass;42204802]With a very bad example. Cancer doesn't goes away if you forget it. Bullies go away if you aren't near them.[/QUOTE]
Ok, then what if the bullies follow you? What if even after the intervention of teachers and parents, they continue to bully?
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