Rebecca Ann Sedwick, 12, commits suicide after extensive harassment
611 replies, posted
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;42205514]I was going to ask if he wanted to be my friend, but then I realized I wouldn't want an asshole like him for a friend.[/QUOTE]
You're welcome to do it, but if you really pick your friends based on stuff like that and evaluate people through forum posts alone, then I'd take it nobody really wants you as a friend either.
Still, thanks for trying?
[QUOTE=Mudbone;42206449]victim blaming aside. Does no one remember sticks and stones? Words should never drive anyone to suicide. Especially someone so young.[/QUOTE]
Words are fully capable of driving people to suicide. When you're depressed and feeling worthless or a burden on your family those words from others (whom you might know in real life) can amplify that feeling.
Also it's probably worth mentioning that it's not uncommon for young kids like Rebecca to suffer from anxiety or depression. You can argue that they don't have true responsibility like an adult but so many things can weigh them down still.
[QUOTE=dass;42208009]You're welcome to do it, but if you really pick your friends based on stuff like that and evaluate people through forum posts alone, then I'd take it nobody really wants you as a friend either.
Still, thanks for trying?[/QUOTE]
Grow the fuck up and read the posts against you or get out.
[QUOTE=dass]you actually talk about it between yourselves?
now I see why you guys give such a huge damn about a social life[/QUOTE]
Through the PMs, he literally is speaking at random without knowledge of anything, I think it's time for me to just stop and come to a conclusion that he's a stubborn fool who can't accept anything.
[editline]16th September 2013[/editline]
Oh btw Dass we can see your visitor messages, we aren't talking in private about this, I can assure you that, you've been here since '05, how do you not know this?
You just shared a PM from me to you and posted the reply I left in Unidentified's visitor messages, thats even funnier than that other guy calling me a bully lol
Hey. You. I posted arguments. Now bring me fights or cease posting.
[quote]Just because you say this in that kind of attitude doesn't means its true lol, I find it funny how much of a bunch of apologists you guys are and how out of touch you all are, along with how you all think its black and white only without any grey areas. To add it to all that, there are people here who at least don't resort to plastering the word "racist" on each sentence they write at an attempt at a zing or a funny, again, unlike you and your bunch of know-it-all friendos who act like your word is law. It's beyond me how people like you guys don't get banned for causing the shitstorms you do and others get banned for memes and bs nobody cares about.
And I'm not talking about the thread in question, but then again, it doesn't matters what explanations I'm talking about because you will just deem it backpeddaling (figures, from such a repetitive kiddo haha) and your bunch are just a bunch of stubborn kids who don't care about what anyone else says unless it can be used to make fun of someone else, so it really doesn't matters.
oh, and yeah, keep thinking I'm mad, the icing you use on your cake just shows me how hopeless you guys are, but then again, what can I expect from people like you posting in a place like this?.... ;)[/quote]
you know hes so mad that he has to resort to PMs to flame you because he has no valid arguments other than 'SOCIAL LIFE NOT IMPORTANT, SHES A STUPID PUSSY'
look at those run-on sentences
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;42208401]you know hes so mad that he has to resort to PMs to flame you because he has no valid arguments other than 'SOCIAL LIFE NOT IMPORTANT, SHES A STUPID PUSSY'[/QUOTE]
In your world, everyone who stops to do something other than giving answers to rabble on the internet from people who think they know everything about anything is automatically mad.
But whatever, if you say so...
[QUOTE=The golden;42207942]Holy shit can we please [B]fucking stop with this crap already.[/B][/QUOTE]
Yes. I wouldn't have even come back and said anything if people just stated they disagreed with me as opposed to being snarky assholes about it.
I think it would be better for all of us if we stopped since this isn't going anywhere being filled with stubborn people victim blaming and not reading tha article or the thread. I try to actually give arguments but they are ignored with answers that have nothing to do with what I said, to the topic or they are answers that aren't justified besides saying "I'm right because I am".
[QUOTE=hexpunK;42208398]Hey. You. I posted arguments. Now bring me fights or cease posting.[/QUOTE]
My arguments are constantly put down by stubborn and retarded bloated comments filled with automatic assumptions of what I meant, by people who apparently know better than everyone else and who's opinions seem to be the only ones that matter, until they see somewhere that they should re-route their hate towards something else, and so help us god if they aren't the same opinions as someone else's.
I might be filled up to the brimm with flaws, but goddamn you guys sound just as bad as conservative nitwits fighting some kind of cause.
[editline]16th September 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=gk99;42208460]Yes. I wouldn't have even come back and said anything if people just stated they disagreed with me as opposed to being snarky assholes about it.[/QUOTE]
Oh you didn't know?
If your opinions aren't like everyone else's, you're the scum of the earth!
[QUOTE=dass;42208546]My arguments are constantly put down by stubborn and retarded bloated comments filled with automatic assumptions of what I meant, by people who apparently know better than everyone else and who's opinions seem to be the only ones that matter, until they see somewhere that they should re-route their hate towards something else, and so help us god if they aren't the same opinions as someone else's.
I might be filled up to the brimm with flaws, but goddamn you guys sound just as bad as conservative nitwits fighting some kind of cause.
[editline]16th September 2013[/editline]
Oh you didn't know?
If your opinions aren't like everyone else's, you're the scum of the earth![/QUOTE]
You keep telling us the victim of an offence should have less freedoms than the perpetrators if they don't want it to happen again. Your arguments were never reasonable in the first place. If I get assaulted outside my local Tesco should I never go back there in case I get assaulted again?
[QUOTE=dass;42208546]My arguments are constantly put down by stubborn and retarded bloated comments filled with automatic assumptions of what I meant, by people who apparently know better than everyone else and who's opinions seem to be the only ones that matter, until they see somewhere that they should re-route their hate towards something else, and so help us god if they aren't the same opinions as someone else's.
I might be filled up to the brimm with flaws, but goddamn you guys sound just as bad as conservative nitwits fighting some kind of cause.[/QUOTE]
Your opinion is: It's the victim's fault for returning online, she could've just ignored.
Our opinion is: It's not the victim's fault because she has the right to use online programs or apps for her personal use without being bothered anymore. It's the bullies fault because they went after her even though the parents tried to avoid the bullying.
We said our opinion and said WHY and why IGNORING doesn't work. You haven't even given one clue of how ignoring actually would work and how it's not the bullies fault for her return online. This is how discussions work, people state different opinions and talk it out, if you don't justify and make yourself look dumb, it's obvious you'll end up getting mocked.
Just try and justify why ignoring would work and why it's her fault, it's not hard.
Dass is still going? C'mon on man. After the countless insults and rebuttals from various forum members trying to make him listen to reason, you would think he has changed his opinion by now.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;42208570]You keep telling us the victim of an offence should have less freedoms than the perpetrators if they don't want it to happen again. Your arguments were never reasonable in the first place. If I get assaulted outside my local Tesco should I never go back there in case I get assaulted again?[/QUOTE]
I don't get it how you can miss the point these many times...
I keep telling the victim of an offence should have less freedoms than the perpetrators?
...goddamn, you can usually come up with good arguments, what the hell happened there? I seriously lost the will to answer to that.
In what way does "keep away from places where people do you harm" translate to "victims should have less freedoms than their harassers"?
Thats a bad comparison. You don't know if you're gonna get assaulted outside your local Tesco or your local whatever. She had her phone and internet taken away BECAUSE THEY HARASSED HER THROUGH THEM BEFORE. Why the hell are you going back to a place where you just fucking know people are gonna give you shit again and you can't do anything about it?
This isn't about freedom and about having a social life goddamnit. Why are you all so obcessed with that over her well being?
"BUT THEN YOU'RE SAYING SHE CAN'T HAVE THAT AND HER HARASSERS CAN!"
Well fuck, the world is a harsh place isn't it? And yet, I'd rather get the fuck off of the computer and stop seeing a bunch of asshats saying shit about me which was actually helping my mental state.
"OH so you're blaming her and leaving the harassers!"
I'm blaming her for doing a stupid move, right as she was starting to recover. Nothing else. If I actually need to say the harassers are at fault here, then you guys are just inciting shitstorms playing dumb and baiting people.
[QUOTE=Amish Steak;42208622]Dass is still going? C'mon on man. After the countless insults and rebuttals from various forum members trying to make him listen to reason, you would think he has changed his opinion by now.[/QUOTE]
its his schtick
we respond to his argument and then he goes on a tirade how rude we are without refuting any argument because 'we're so edgy and snarky!!!'
i mean look at this
[quote]My arguments are constantly put down by stubborn and retarded bloated comments filled with automatic assumptions of what I meant, by people who apparently know better than everyone else and who's opinions seem to be the only ones that matter, until they see somewhere that they should re-route their hate towards something else, and so help us god if they aren't the same opinions as someone else's.
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all hes doing is pulling the prosecution card without addressing any point, he blames us for not accepting his POV while we told them his POV is wrong and it's stupid to judge a 12 year old by his POV
you go outside and get rained on because you had no umbrella, fair enough, kind of your fault for not being prepared, rain does whatever the fuck it wants to
you feel cold because you haven't put on a jumper, okay maybe that's kind of your fault too, can't really argue with nature
now compare this to
get abuse from other people and feel shit about it - totally not the same situation, because you are people and they are people and you all know what's right and what's wrong, and they are being pricks; they probably know that they are being pricks and that they shouldn't be doing it.
moreover, if someone is really has really dedicated their time to making you feel like shit, you can try and ignore it all you want, but they'll keep flinging shit at you till something sticks and they finally find what really gets to you.
"deal with it, it's your fault for feeling down about it" is a really crappy approach, because pretty much everyone has some sort of mental weak spot, it's just a question of whether or not the other person can find it.
[editline]16th September 2013[/editline]
jesus christ
[editline]16th September 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=dass;42208722]Well fuck, the world is a harsh place isn't it?[/QUOTE]
it is indeed, but with your attitude you're pretty much encouraging it to stay like that
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;42208599]Your opinion is: It's the victim's fault for returning online, she could've just ignored.
Our opinion is: It's not the victim's fault because she has the right to use online programs or apps for her personal use without being bothered anymore.
Just try and justify why ignoring would work and why it's her fault, it's not hard.[/QUOTE]
Guess what, lots of people get murdered for going through the wrong street at night.
Is it right? No it obviously isn't. Most people don't even expect that to happen, and yet, it does.
She knew the bullies would come back, and she literaly opened the door for them. It's right in the fucking article. The moment she secretly started to use a messaging service, she went down yet again.
She probably would be alive now if she didn't go back online and made friends at her new school instead. And most likely, she did something very wrong for them to waltz back into her personal space.
[QUOTE=dass;42208722]In what way does "keep away from places where people do you harm" translate to "victims should have less freedoms than their harassers"?.[/QUOTE]
In what way?
Keeping away from the places she enjoys being because the bullies are there is preventing her from doing what she wants, AKA taking away freedom of doing what that person wants to do.
And you said before you aren't blaming her, now you clearly said you are. It wasn't a stupid move, it's not her fault the bullies came back to her, it was a stupid move by the bullies, not her, she did nothing wrong, the bullies did.
And not trying to use reasoning over self-righteous opinions isn't helping your mind at all.
you need to ~harness~ your inner energy and MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE MAn
[editline]16th September 2013[/editline]
fuck this thread
[QUOTE]Guess what, lots of people get murdered for going through the wrong street at night.
Is it right? No it obviously isn't. Most people don't even expect that to happen, and yet, it does.[/QUOTE]
Do you fucking mean you think it's the victim's fault for being murdered
Nope. I'm done.
[QUOTE=dass;42208722]I don't get it how you can miss the point these many times...
I keep telling the victim of an offence should have less freedoms than the perpetrators?
...goddamn, you can usually come up with good arguments, what the hell happened there? I seriously lost the will to answer to that.
In what way does "keep away from places where people do you harm" translate to "victims should have less freedoms than their harassers"?
Thats a bad comparison. You don't know if you're gonna get assaulted outside your local Tesco or your local whatever. She had her phone and internet taken away BECAUSE THEY HARASSED HER THROUGH THEM BEFORE. Why the hell are you going back to a place where you just fucking know people are gonna give you shit again and you can't do anything about it?
This isn't about freedom and about having a social life goddamnit. Why are you all so obcessed with that over her well being?
"BUT THEN YOU'RE SAYING SHE CAN'T HAVE THAT AND HER HARASSERS CAN!"
Well fuck, the world is a harsh place isn't it? And yet, I'd rather get the fuck off of the computer and stop seeing a bunch of asshats saying shit about me which was actually helping my mental state.
"OH so you're blaming her and leaving the harassers!"
I'm blaming her for doing a stupid move, right as she was starting to recover. Nothing else. If I actually need to say the harassers are at fault here, then you guys are just inciting shitstorms playing dumb and baiting people.[/QUOTE]
whose to say she would have known she would get bullied again?
how would she have known going back to tools that majority of human beings use would get her bullied again?
[quote]This isn't about freedom and about having a social life goddamnit. Why are you all so obcessed with that over her well being?
"BUT THEN YOU'RE SAYING SHE CAN'T HAVE THAT AND HER HARASSERS CAN!"
Well fuck, the world is a harsh place isn't it? And yet, I'd rather get the fuck off of the computer and stop seeing a bunch of asshats saying shit about me which was actually helping my mental state.[/quote]
god fucking forbid us for having some basic empathy for a human being, maybe we're obsessed with her well being because she's a fellow human being who doesn't deserve to be deprived of something because of asshats?
once again, you keep fucking injecting your pov and hindsight onto what she did without considering the fact that every human being is different, and that 'world is harsh' is not a valid argument
seriously, 'the world is a harsh place'
wtf is that lol
that's seriously the dumbest argument i've heard yet, you're literally telling her to 'deal with it' when confronted with the fact she's heavily handicapped in socializing with others
wait, are you gonna say socializing isn't important because you never needed it even though bunch of evidence supports the fact that socialization is very important for humans?
[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;42208757]it is indeed, but with your attitude you're pretty much encouraging it to stay like that[/QUOTE]
Oh right, and your attitudes of patting on the back and doing everything for someone else while they sabotage themselves at the same time surely are gonna do a whole lot, especially on a forum like this huh...
[editline]16th September 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;42208755]its his schtick
we respond to his argument and then he goes on a tirade how rude we are without refuting any argument because 'we're so edgy and snarky!!!'
i mean look at this
all hes doing is pulling the prosecution card without addressing any point, he blames us for not accepting his POV while we told them his POV is wrong and it's stupid to judge a 12 year old by his POV[/QUOTE]
In your minds, a 12 year old is braindead apparently, what the hell kind of excuse is that?
[editline]16th September 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;42208796]In what way?
Keeping away from the places she enjoys being because the bullies are there is preventing her from doing what she wants, AKA taking away freedom of doing what that person wants to do.
And you said before you aren't blaming her, now you clearly said you are. It wasn't a stupid move, it's not her fault the bullies came back to her, it was a stupid move by the bullies, not her, she did nothing wrong, the bullies did.
And not trying to use reasoning over self-righteous opinions isn't helping your mind at all.[/QUOTE]
Can she change that? Probably not.
Should she go back to it then? Of course not.
How hard is it to understand this? How much reasoning do you need to understand this?
[editline]16th September 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;42208818]Do you fucking mean you think it's the victim's fault for being murdered
Nope. I'm done.[/QUOTE]
Wow this is like Fox News, twisting words and meanings, unbelievable...
I mean the world is filled with pricks and dangers, and in this case, she knew damn well what could happen, and she still went through with it.
[QUOTE=dass;42208828]I mean the world is filled with pricks and dangers, and in this case, she knew damn well what could happen,[B] and she still went through with it.[/B][/QUOTE]
This is all that really needs to be read; you're still dedicated to blaming the victim.
[quote]In your minds, a 12 year old is braindead apparently, what the hell kind of excuse is that?[/quote]
no, we're saying 12 year olds are more prone to making mistakes because they're not mature as us, but that does not mean just because she made a 'mistake', she deserved to be bullied for it
your arguments comes down to 'its her fault because she should have known better and world is harsh, deal with it' while rejecting anything else as stupidity
and we're saying that reasoning is shit and there is no need to foster an environment like this by OK'ing this kind of thing by waving it away as 'world is harsh' or 'she should have not done that'. the blame alone is and always be: the bullies.
no ones twisting shit, you're saying it through and through and flipping out when people call you out for be unable to realize how crude you sound
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;42208821]whose to say she would have known she would get bullied again?
how would she have known going back to tools that majority of human beings use would get her bullied again?
god fucking forbid us for having some basic empathy for a human being, maybe we're obsessed with her well being because she's a fellow human being who doesn't deserve to be deprived of something because of asshats?
once again, you keep fucking injecting your pov and hindsight onto what she did without considering the fact that every human being is different, and that 'world is harsh' is not a valid argument
seriously, 'the world is a harsh place'
wtf is that lol
that's seriously the dumbest argument i've heard yet, you're literally telling her to 'deal with it' when confronted with the fact she's heavily handicapped in socializing with others
wait, are you gonna say socializing isn't important because you never needed it even though bunch of evidence supports the fact that socialization is very important for humans?[/QUOTE]
Gee, I don't know, probably because she had already been harassed by phone and on the internet? It's a good guess, but others might disagree...
That is the truth.
Whoever tells you that the world is a nice place and a constant sea of roses should really take a good look at the world they live in unless they are some silver spoon bloke.
You can't expect everyone you meet to shake your hand and be your friend and hand you a dollar.
Oh noes, she can't go on the internet, she will have to make friends like people used to in the old days, at school and in person...
All to avoid assholes and for her developing well being... Gee, what a huge handicap.
So, as you seem to not be getting it at all, lets put it in your terms. Say you're being bullied, and they follow you to steam, adding you through alts, spreading shit to friends of yours on steam, following everything you do on steam to make your life hell.
Your solution is to stop using the online functions of steam. Effectively removing all forms of contact with online friends that you don't share personal information with or use external programs with (the bullies follow you to these for the same of the argument anyway).
You now have fewer freedoms to socialise and actually do what the fuck you want on steam thanks to the bullies. How is this fair to you?
[QUOTE=Ownederd;42208910]This is all that really needs to be read; you're still dedicated to blaming the victim.[/QUOTE]
Well guess what, if she didn't go on the messaging service and kept on doing whatever she was doing, we wouldn't be here having this long debate.
But I bet inside your head, I'm dismissing the harassers entirely.
(which I'm actually not, just in case you need reassurance)
(but oh crap, you'll select just the "wrong" parts of my post and dismiss everything else to suit your needs because I'm evil and emotionless, damn)
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[editline]16th September 2013[/editline]
Fuck. Right in the automerge.
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