• Rebecca Ann Sedwick, 12, commits suicide after extensive harassment
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-should have read the full article before-
[QUOTE=Cruma;42193811]No, definitely think it's her fault that she killed herself, the bullies didn't murder her, she jumped and killed herself, her decision. I'm not even about to comment on the second part though because you're trying to compare internet cyber-bullying to being raped in the real world. In the cyber-bullying context, yes all she had to do with abstain from the technology, which she did not. The only thing I think I said that was dumb is that it was her parents fault, because I didn't see the part where it said the parents did take her phone away, so good on them. But that only shows how much more stupid the girl is because even after being denied the technology she still sought to re-install the apps without her parents knowledge, I don't care how you try to put it, or how 'moronic/heartless/fedora cheetos I am, the fact is she was stupid, and that's why she's no longer on Earth.[/QUOTE] Continuing to victim blame, ignoring the fact that she's 12, ignoring the fact that you can do a lot of damage to someones life over the Internet (even if she isn't on the Internet herself), continuing to ignore that she shouldn't be denied use of technological devices because other people are assholes. You make me sick. Literally.
[QUOTE=Cruma;42193811]No, definitely think it's her fault that she killed herself, the bullies didn't murder her, she jumped and killed herself, her decision. I'm not even about to comment on the second part though because you're trying to compare internet cyber-bullying to being raped in the real world. In the cyber-bullying context, yes all she had to do with abstain from the technology, which she did not. The only thing I think I said that was dumb is that it was her parents fault, because I didn't see the part where it said the parents did take her phone away, so good on them. But that only shows how much more stupid the girl is because even after being denied the technology she still sought to re-install the apps without her parents knowledge, I don't care how you try to put it, or how 'moronic/heartless/fedora cheetos I am, the fact is she was stupid, and that's why she's no longer on Earth.[/QUOTE] why should the victim abstain for doing something they might enjoy? why are we punishing the victim for the actions of the perpetrator? why are we ignoring the actions of the people who actually started this chain of events? why can't you understand this concept? i haven't personally insulted you in any way and i've exposed the reasoning behind my posts i think i deserve an answer
[QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;42193861]if people "cyberbullied" me I just wouldn't care. ignore it.[/QUOTE] good for you? nice job downplaying what cyberbullying is by putting it in quotations, you sure showed them!
[QUOTE=zerosix;42193563][img]http://25.media.tumblr.com/30169e163b4f6ed1ea688db7b4ab6217/tumblr_mfw12gmwkD1r6fxkro1_500.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] words of wisdom
[QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;42193861]if people "cyberbullied" me I just wouldn't care. ignore it.[/QUOTE] Let me repost this post so that you can understand how cyberbullying can actually affect someone: [QUOTE=RichyZ;42193363]im going to take your phone, send pictures of your naked self to my phone, then upload them to an image site, and spread them among your facebook friends oh, also, im gonna spread around a rumor that you fucked my best friend, and people will believe me because you're an unpopular little shit am i ruining your credibility, your social life, and your family's outlook on you? ofc not lol im just calling u names!!![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;42193861]if people "cyberbullied" me I just wouldn't care. ignore it.[/QUOTE] Read the article, it wasn't just cyber-bulling and you can't ignore rumors being spread around about you or the pictures online.
i think the main thing is that she was 12 even if suicide is an irrational thing to do, when you're that young, you make decisions based on emotion more than thought
it's sick how many of you keep blaming her for taking her own life. clearly you people have no idea how much bullying can affect a person, or what? I was bullied for two years straight when I was 10 until I was 12, and guess what, I've been struggling and fighting an uphill battle ever since. bullying really affects your life, in the worst ways possible. I've developed severe anxiety, depression, eating disorders and anxiety attacks because of those two years. you people make me so sick. show some fucking empathy, being bullied isn't something you just shrug off. I'd love to see you people being constantly called shit, it'd really fuck up your self esteem and quality of life.
[QUOTE=Wingz;42193902]i think the main thing is that she was 12 even if suicide is an irrational thing to do, when you're that young, you make decisions based on emotion more than thought[/QUOTE] nah that doesn't matter antisocial 16-20 year old white males on an internet videogame forum that didn't experience bullying to the degree that she did know more about this stuff. after all, it was her fault!
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;42193895]Read the article, it wasn't just cyber-bulling and you can't ignore rumors being spread around about you, or the pictures online.[/QUOTE] oh..
[QUOTE=LarparNar;42193810]Instead of whining about this, why don't you try to actually respond to the arguments made against you?[/QUOTE] What arguments? Thats the same old shit. Read the ban history of the sack of sand to hit on and make a stupid argument.
[QUOTE=dass;42193921]What arguments? Thats the same old shit. Read the ban history of the sack of sand to hit on and make a stupid argument.[/QUOTE] dass i know you're incapable of understanding human emotions or the adverse effects of bullying, but maybe you should cool down, like for real
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;42193895]Read the article, it wasn't just cyber-bulling and you can't ignore rumors being spread around about you or the pictures online.[/QUOTE] Millions of people have that done to them, and they still dont give a shit.
[QUOTE=dass;42193937]Millions of people have that done to them, and they still dont give a shit.[/QUOTE] are you confusing calling somebody a faggot on /v/ with [I]legitimate[/I] bullying again? seriously, figure out what the hell you're mad about before you make uninformed posts like this
[QUOTE=dass;42193937]Millions of people have that done to them, and they still dont give a shit.[/QUOTE] and everyone feel the same way about things, right?
[QUOTE=dass;42193937]Millions of people have that done to them, and they still dont give a shit.[/QUOTE] Find me two articles that justify this. Do it. Do you want me to speak in our own language for you to understand?
[QUOTE=dass;42193937]Millions of people have that done to them, and they still dont give a shit.[/QUOTE] good thing every human being is a robot incapable of emotions like you wait, they're all human beings with different mindsets and circumstances who gets mentally abused with varying results still doesn't justify victim blaming, sorry
[QUOTE=dass;42193937]Millions of people have that done to them, and they still dont give a shit.[/QUOTE] Please give me a source that says "millions of people" get repeatedly bullied in a way that ruins their social life and don't care about it. Even if some people don't care about it, [I][B]not fucking everyone is the same fucking person and can take as much abuse, that doens't make it OK to victim blame.[/B][/I]
[QUOTE=LarparNar;42193888]Let me repost this post so that you can understand how cyberbullying can actually affect someone:[/QUOTE] Im not going to blame the victim to killing herself, nor am I going to call her a 'pussy', I can completely see why this kind of bullying is actually very harmful. However, the biggest problem with what RichyZ said is 'im going to take your phone, send pictures of your naked self to my phone.' This is the problem right here, why the hell does my/her/your phone have naked pictures on it? Why isn't it better secured? What are you doing posting all your personal info on some social media site so others can pick it apart and target you at whim? This is what pisses me off about this entire story, the fact that it could have been entirely AVOIDED if the child was taught properly about the potential dangers you're exposing yourself too when you just put yourself out there to the whole wide anonymous net, or fail to secure potentially compromising stuff. Call me paranoid, call me anti-social, but I can guarantee you if someone got pissed off at me irl, they wouldn't be able to find shit about me, nor would they be able to connect my online name with my real name, and that makes me nearly immune to this kind of shit. Now im not saying im 100% impervious to this, as all it takes is someone dedicated enough with enough skill/knowhow to track me down, but it still filters out a huge number of potential 'bullies' or whatever.
[QUOTE=dass;42193921]What arguments? Thats the same old shit. Read the ban history of the sack of sand to hit on and make a stupid argument.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;42193665]i think for a second! no one kills themselves for no fucking reason, when a person decides to end their own life it's because what they're going through is so painful and terrible for them that death seems better in comparison. she was just a kid, you can't seriously expect a 12 year old to act rationally in the face of constant harassment when even a large portion of adults also commit suicide for similar reasons [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;42193769]we've been over this already. you have to understand that everyone's mind works differently, not everyone is as "strong" as you dude, they might not be able to deal with harassment as easily as you. besides, we're not talking about some idiots saying a few mean words to you over the internet, cyber-bulling is usually regular bullying that also extends to internet social media. people can be really vicious when protected with anonymity and you really should know this much already. maybe they were spreading her personal info around, photos, contacts and what have you. please try and be decent for a second! besides, again, this is a 12 year old we're talking about; an mentally and emotionally immature person who will obviously not react to stimuli the same way a 21 year old would.[/QUOTE] and we're not talking about someone calling you a faggot on a messageboard, we're talking about about constant harassment that also presents itself in social media, we're talking about people spreading rumours about you, spreading your personal information, photos, contact information, etc. this goes well beyond childish name-calling and i don't get how this concept eludes you [editline]ALSO[/editline] and here's another important thing: [I]someone fucking died[/I] (as in, they ceased to exist), their family is now suffering and all the potential things this person could've achieved are now lost, and it all happened because a bunch of bullies decided to have fun at the expense of a vulnerable child
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;42193943]are you confusing calling somebody a faggot on /v/ with [I]legitimate[/I] bullying again? seriously, figure out what the hell you're mad about before you make uninformed posts like this[/QUOTE] I'm not confusing anyone. I'm talking about people who actually had tough problems with stuff like this and still didn't care about it enough to kill themselves.
[QUOTE=dass;42193979]I'm not confusing anyone. I'm talking about people who actually had tough problems with stuff like this and still didn't care about it enough to kill themselves.[/QUOTE] People are different. How people react to things like that differs.
[QUOTE=ntzu;42193966]However, the biggest problem with what RichyZ said is 'im going to take your phone, send pictures of your naked self to my phone.' This is the problem right here, why the hell does my/her/your phone have naked pictures on it? Why isn't it better secured? What are you doing posting all your personal info on some social media site so others can pick it apart and target you at whim? This is what pisses me off about this entire story, the fact that it could have been entirely AVOIDED if the child was taught properly the potential dangers you're exposing yourself to when you just put yourself out there to the whole wide anonymous net, or fail to secure potentially compromising stuff. Call me paranoid, call me anti-social, but I can guarantee you if someone got pissed off at me irl, they wouldn't be able to find shit about me, nor would they be able to connect my online name with my real name, and that makes me nearly immune to this kind of shit.[/QUOTE] Everyone has a right to take naked pictures of themselves and keep it on their phone. That doesn't make it smart, but it doesn't make it OK for people to bully them to the point where they commit suicide either.
[QUOTE=dass;42193979]I'm not confusing anyone. I'm talking about people who actually had tough problems with stuff like this and still didn't care about it enough to kill themselves.[/QUOTE] How does this help out the thread?
[QUOTE=dass;42193979]I'm not confusing anyone. I'm talking about people who actually had tough problems with stuff like this and still didn't care about it enough to kill themselves.[/QUOTE] yeah, rape victims should just fuck off too because there are [I]millions[/I] of people who didn't kill themselves. if you say that bullying hasn't affected you in your life, you're lying to yourself
[QUOTE=ntzu;42193966]Im not going to blame the victim to killing herself, nor am I going to call her a 'pussy', I can completely see why this kind of bullying is actually very harmful. However, the biggest problem with what RichyZ said is 'im going to take your phone, send pictures of your naked self to my phone.' This is the problem right here, why the hell does my/her/your phone have naked pictures on it? Why isn't it better secured? What are you doing posting all your personal info on some social media site so others can pick it apart and target you at whim? This is what pisses me off about this entire story, the fact that it could have been entirely AVOIDED if the child was taught properly about the potential dangers you're exposing yourself too when you just put yourself out there to the whole wide anonymous net, or fail to secure potentially compromising stuff. Call me paranoid, call me anti-social, but I can guarantee you if someone got pissed off at me irl, they wouldn't be able to find shit about me, nor would they be able to connect my online name with my real name, and that makes me nearly immune to this kind of shit. Now im not saying im 100% impervious to this, as all it takes is someone dedicated enough with enough skill/knowhow to track me down, but it still filters out a huge number of potential 'bullies' or whatever.[/QUOTE] Maybe those people were forced to do it?
[QUOTE=dass;42193979]I'm not confusing anyone. I'm talking about people who actually had tough problems with stuff like this and still didn't care about it enough to kill themselves.[/QUOTE] everybody reacts different to bullying. some try to kill themself without success, some want to but doesn't want to leave their friends and family behind, some harm themself and someone just deals with it better than others. nobody is alike, everybody reacts different and people should fucking understand
Yahoo was shitting itself all over and i couldn't read the full article but really, that is kind of sad
[QUOTE=dass;42193937]Millions of people have that done to them, and they still dont give a shit.[/QUOTE] You have to understand a couple factors. I'll list them so they're easier to understand. 1. She was 12. Rational thought didn't play a big part. 2. She was probably bullied (not just verbally, but probably psychologically (ex. pictures, websites, phone calls) relentlessly, the media just wanted to single in on the cyber bullying part 3. Related to 1, as a 12-year-old girl, she probably valued her social life very, very much and that whole "i don't care what they say about me" logic wasn't there yet 4. Related to 2, if the bullying was as relentless as I think it was, she was probably feeling like an animal shoved into a corner. She probably felt like it was an unescapable situation and she probably felt a lot of pressure a lot of the time 5. I used to feel that way when I was that age, but I don't anymore because I've grown enough to think more rationally than with emotion. If someone constantly bullied me in my current state, I probably wouldn't care, but I would at that age. And, I think everyone defending the victim by just insulting the people insulting the victim aren't helping. If you really want to help, try explaining it to them instead of just saying that they are incapable of learning.
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