Rebecca Ann Sedwick, 12, commits suicide after extensive harassment
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Sorry to be sexist, but what the fuck is it with chicks and tearing each other up, I mean holy fuck. Dudes rip each other all the time, call each other fags and get over it in the long run. But it always seems like girls just go way over the line and push each other into depression and suicide. What the hell are twelve year olds doing telling each other to kill themselves other a relationship in 6th grade. Where the fuck are kids learning to do this shit?
I mean everyone used to rip on someone back in my elementary days and I can't say I wasn't the victim once for some of the sketchy shit I did but when did suicide become an option for kids who shouldn't even be thinking about death?
And what are 12 year olds all doing with cell phones and FB accounts? I mean we kids barely knew how to cope with MSN sometimes, having a webcam was seen as a "woah ur parents let u have one?" and opened up a world of harrasment, but you could always go offline and block peeps. What are they doing with 24/7 always on shit like texting? It's bloody impossible to actually block numbers now because of telemarketers paying off the big boiz. I'm sorry guys but kids that aren't out of elementary just aren't ready for that kind of responsibility.
[QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;42194003]Yahoo was shitting itself all over and i couldn't read the full article
but really, that is kind of sad[/QUOTE]
glad to see that you're admitting that you made a dumb impulsive post instead of continuing to argue against logic like dass is
i respect that
[QUOTE=RichyZ;42193994]people slip up, girlfriends often take pics of themselves naked for their boyfriends, or the inverse
people leave that shit in the depths of their picture library and it comes back to bite them in the ass later
no one actually thinks about that shit outside of when they are feeling lonely or whatever and want to fap over their gfs pics[/QUOTE]
Its probably not normal but if I had that kind of shit on my phone I would be thinking about it constantly until it was either deleted completely or at least put somewhere that is incredibly hard to get too, I know full well how easy it is for phone security to be comprimised and thus I keep basically no personal info that is compromising on it.
I'm just that kind of person I guess.
[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;42194009]Sorry to be sexist, but what the fuck is it with chicks and tearing each other up, I mean holy fuck. Dudes rip each other all the time, call each other fags and get over it in the long run. But it always seems like girls just go way over the line and push each other into depression and suicide. What the hell are twelve year olds doing telling each other to kill themselves other a relationship in 6th grade. Where the fuck are kids learning to do this shit?
I mean everyone used to rip on someone back in my elementary days and I can't say I wasn't the victim once for some of the sketchy shit I did but when did suicide become an option for kids who shouldn't even be thinking about death?
And what are 12 year olds all doing with cell phones and FB accounts? I mean we kids barely knew how to cope with MSN sometimes, having a webcam was seen as a "woah ur parents let u have one?" and opened up a world of harrasment, but you could always go offline and block peeps. What are they doing with 24/7 always on shit like texting? It's bloody impossible to actually block numbers now because of telemarketers paying off the big boiz. I'm sorry guys but kids that aren't out of elementary just aren't ready for that kind of responsibility.[/QUOTE]
You can blame the media I suppose, back in the day it was cigarettes, now its #socialmediaLOL, idiotic reality TV shows, and generally pointless drama.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;42193993]yeah, rape victims should just fuck off too because there are [I]millions[/I] of people who didn't kill themselves.
if you say that bullying hasn't affected you in your life, you're lying to yourself[/QUOTE]
Forgetting the fact where I talked about getting harmed physically =/= cyberbullying
Why are people being so insensitive because the word "cyber bullying" was used? These aren't anonymous nobodies who sent her messages calling her a fag. They're literally people she saw everyday in school, the bullying most likely started there.
That where social media becomes a tool to bully her further, they're now publicly shaming her on public sites and ruining her life. It's not something you can just ignore, and shame on you people who think a teen would've been emotionally capable to deal with all this.
[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;42194009]Sorry to be sexist, but what the fuck is it with chicks and tearing each other up, I mean holy fuck. Dudes rip each other all the time, call each other fags and get over it in the long run. But it always seems like girls just go way over the line and push each other into depression and suicide. What the hell are twelve year olds doing telling each other to kill themselves other a relationship in 6th grade. Where the fuck are kids learning to do this shit?
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mostly because male-male relationships (from what i've experienced) are mostly stupid insult based humor. that's way different from legitimate bullying.
also why did you even post that last paragraph. are you seriously projecting you, a late 90's early 2000's kid, to somebody who grew up with social media everywhere?
[editline]14th September 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=dass;42194020]Forgetting the fact where I talked about getting harmed physically =/= cyberbullying[/QUOTE]
bullying is bullying regardless of how or where it happens.
why are you having such a hard time understanding these things? are you PUI right now?
[QUOTE=The golden;42193282]Repeated persistent attacks which the victim has problems getting away from. Cyberbullying is usually more of a problem because the victim can be bullied from websites, texts, phone-calls, emails, etc as opposed to in person. It's harder to escape.[/QUOTE]
How is it harder to escape, one fucking click and all my bullies can disappear forever.
Phone-calls on the other hand is definitely just plain bullying/harassment.
If a random anon comes up to me on the internet and calls me a faggot I wont care, if someone harassing me in person, follows me on the internet and harasses me that's an entirely different story.
That's how I see it anyway.
[QUOTE=dass;42194020]Forgetting the fact where I talked about getting harmed physically =/= cyberbullying[/QUOTE]
Forgetting the fact that she's twelve and people think differently.
"Forgetting" to answer others replies.
actually yeah i'm rolling with that. you must be high or drunk because you're blatantly [I]ignoring[/I] the arguments that are being shown to you.
[editline]14th September 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=duckmaster;42194062][b]How is it harder to escape, one fucking click and all my bullies can disappear forever.[/b]
Phone-calls on the other hand is definitely just plain bullying/harassment.
If a random anon comes up to me on the internet and calls me a faggot I wont care, if someone harassing me in person, follows me on the internet and harasses me that's an entirely different story.
That's how I see it anyway.[/QUOTE]
alternate screennames, spamming facebook pages, mass-texting the shit out of you, DDOSing, there's a lot of ways around an online block.
you are also saying this stuff about "random anons." that's not the cyberbullying at all.
[QUOTE=duckmaster;42194062]How is it harder to escape, one fucking click and all my bullies can disappear forever.
Phone-calls on the other hand is definitely just plain bullying/harassment.
If a random anon comes up to me on the internet and calls me a faggot I wont care, if someone harassing me in person, follows me on the internet and harasses me that's an entirely different story.
That's how I see it anyway.[/QUOTE]
"one fucking click" and you'd lose contact with your friends as well. "one fucking click" and you'd isolate yourself, especially in an age like this where social medias are so important.
[QUOTE=dass;42193921]What arguments?
Thats the same old shit.
Read the ban history of the sack of sand to hit on and make a stupid argument.[/QUOTE]
dass
stop, you are making about my good as my posting habits when i am drunk.
[QUOTE=SexualShark;42194086]dass
stop, you are making about my good as my posting habits when i am drunk.[/QUOTE]
if he's sober right now, i'd love to see him post while under the influence
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;42194064]actually yeah i'm rolling with that. you must be high or drunk because you're blatantly [I]ignoring[/I] the arguments that are being shown to you.
[editline]14th September 2013[/editline]
alternate screennames, spamming facebook pages, mass-texting the shit out of you, DDOSing, there's a lot of ways around an online block.
you are also saying this stuff about "random anons." that's not the cyberbullying at all.[/QUOTE]
Why don't you try to explain your argument in a non-hostile way instead of trying to flame people. I agree with what you say, but really, why say it if you're not going to legitimately try to change how they feel about the subject?
[QUOTE=Wingz;42194101]Why don't you try to explain your argument in a non-hostile way instead of trying to flame people. I agree with what you say, but really, why say it if you're not going to legitimately try to change how they feel about the subject?[/QUOTE]
plenty of people have been making non-hostile posts, but dass is just ignoring them. me saying "you're drunk" is kind of irreverent if dass is unwilling to read any posts at all.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;42193344]cyberbullying =/= being made fun on on the internet
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Yeah, I have been made fun of a load of times by snarky internet assholes, but that doesnt make me want to commit suicide, it makes me want to murder those fuckers.
cyber bullying is a completely different thing and its these kind of internet assholes who think its them just being an asshole in general what causes these suicides and need to defend the freedom to harass people on a daily basis till they commit suicide.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;42194114]plenty of people have been making non-hostile posts, but dass is just ignoring them. me saying "you're drunk" is kind of irreverent if dass is unwilling to read any posts at all.[/QUOTE]
I see that other people have been making non-hostile posts, but if you recognize that he's just here to muck everything up without even recognizing that the other side exists, why not just ignore him altogether? No point in defending your opinion to someone who won't even recognize it as valid in the first place.
[editline]14th September 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=tr00per7;42194130]Yeah, I have been made fun of a load of times by snarky internet assholes, but that doesnt make me want to commit suicide, it makes me want to murder those fuckers.
cyber bullying is a completely different thing and its these kind of internet assholes who think its them just being an asshole in general what causes these suicides and need to defend the freedom to harass people on a daily basis till they commit suicide.[/QUOTE]
Are you a 12 year old girl, mang?
Parents need to teach their kids that the internet is full of cunts and to take what they say with a grain of salt. Or just not let young kids be on the internet unmonitored.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;42194158]Parents need to teach their kids that the internet is full of cunts and to take what they say with a grain of salt. Or just not let young kids be on the internet unmonitored.[/QUOTE]
read the article and the rest of the thread
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;42194158]Parents need to teach their kids that the internet is full of cunts and to take what they say with a grain of salt. Or just not let young kids be on the internet unmonitored.[/QUOTE]
The media says it was purely cyber-bullying, but the fact is that no one, not even a 12-year-old girl, would commit suicide if it was purely located online.
i still think some people are posting without knowing the context behind this situation
she did not get randomly attacked by random strangers in the internet
she was bulled in real life and was bullied online by the same bullies, this has repercussions, she's nowhere safe and unable to use an online tool that everything else gets to use because of some shitheads, which leaks back into real life
imagine being stressed out from work or whatever, then you retreat to videogames or whatever online stuff you do to release stress, but the entire experience stresses you out even more because it's visible there and you can't escape from it
not every human being has the same threshold as you ([B] especially 12 year old fucking kids[/B] ), don't victim blame , blame the assholes who bullied her
[IMG]http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/sticks_and_stones.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;42194033]mostly because male-male relationships (from what i've experienced) are mostly stupid insult based humor. that's way different from legitimate bullying.
also why did you even post that last paragraph. are you seriously projecting you, a late 90's early 2000's kid, to somebody who grew up with social media everywhere?
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I don't think you understand, but back then we had social media. We had MSN, we had Myspace, we could text with T9word and shit like that. We had social media an shit. I lived in white town suburbia, where all the kids lived sorta close and in sorta rich areas, but not close enough to hang 24/7. So we used to chat online a lot. I sorta grew up in the beginning of the social media boom, right at the peak of MSN to the beginning of facebook.
I sorta think the issue is from the media. Not the vidya games/spengbob/violent TV shows, but the seemingly harmless sitcoms that Disney put out. I'm gonna sound like some sorta 60 year old white conservative when I say this, but those shows like Zoey 101 that kids love but also portray relationships usually ended up causing problems in the kids I knew that watched them and took them seriously. It's just not really that good of an idea to be educating kids that young about high-school level "serious" relationships.
You see the issue was that kids were starting to go out and take dating seriously at grade 5, which might sound harmless and funny, but to the kids it was the most serious shit. It never ended well either and wound up causing playground seperations etc. when two kids broke up depending on whose side you were on. Kids were so caught up looking for that "romeo" or "juliet" soul mate that they wound up taking every boy/girl seriously. Boys and girls were almost never friends because they would be "in a relationship" for talking to each other.
It just wound up giving everyone I knew a gossip centric attitude and I really hated it. I couldn't talk to another kid about dinosaurs and lazers or race cars because all they wanted to talk about was how "suzie and billy kissed omg lol they are such looooseerrrss hahahahahha"
The kids I knew who watched shit like spongebob and nothing else were all really stupid, but they had a hell of a lot of a better time going through grades 1-6 because they weren't caught up in the complexities of social life and were more focused on just having a good time.
It was sorta scary when you could tell what TV a kid watched by their attitude towards life and relationships.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;42193838]I'm pretty sure that's called autism[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure you don't know what autism is
That's like saying coughing means you have a cold
[QUOTE=RockmanYoshi;42193756]So if someone called you a worthless sack of shit, would you just dismiss that because "lel just words"[/QUOTE]
yes, that wouldn't even be an annoyance unless they were following me around
Has it actually been confirmed whether or not there was also real life harassment or are people coming up with baseless opinions
[QUOTE=Wingz;42194191]The media says it was purely cyber-bullying, but the fact is that no one, not even a 12-year-old girl, would commit suicide if it was purely located online.[/QUOTE]
and you know this how? are you pediatric psychiatrist? do you personally know all 12 year old girls?
you don't know any of that. there's a myriad of factors that could've pushed this girl to suicide and i can assure you that bullying is one of the main reasons young kids commit suicide.
i worked with kids who've been bullied during my undergrad internship and some of them even had textbook PTSD symptoms. it's no surprise that some would start considering suicide.
[editline]fucking[/editline]
imagine if you were one of those kids and you stumbled upon this thread, how would you feel if everyone thought your were a weak "pussy" for not being able to handle something that seems like hell to you?
[QUOTE=Altimor;42194286]Has it actually been confirmed whether or not there was also real life harassment or are people coming up with baseless opinions[/QUOTE]
How about opening the source and reading the whole thing?
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;42194300]How about opening the source and reading the whole thing?[/QUOTE]
I have and I see nothing on that subject.
[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;42194288]and you know this how? are you pediatric psychiatrist? do you personally know all 12 year old girls?
you don't know any of that. there's a myriad of factors that could've pushed this girl to suicide and i can assure you that bullying is one of the main reasons young kids commit suicide.
i worked with kids who've been bullied during my undergrad internship and some of them even had textbook PTSD symptoms. it's no surprise that some would start considering suicide.[/QUOTE]
What? I'm just saying that it wasn't just online. I'm not sure what you think I meant, but I'm saying it was more than just cyber bullying and it involved bullies in real life, too.
[QUOTE=Altimor;42194286]yes, that wouldn't even be an annoyance unless they were following me around[/QUOTE]
This is pretty much exactly what happens though, except it's either through online websites or text messaging.
And please don't say she should just turn it off, she shouldn't be denied access to something everyone else can use, just because someone is being an asshole towards her.
[QUOTE=LarparNar;42194329]This is pretty much exactly what happens though, except it's either through online websites or text messaging.
And please don't say she should just turn it off, she shouldn't be denied access to something everyone else can use, just because someone is being an asshole towards her.[/QUOTE]
I've never seen a messaging application that doesn't allow you to quickly and easily ignore someone.
[QUOTE=Altimor;42194312]I have and I see nothing on that subject.[/QUOTE]
Here's a better article:
[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/13/rebecca-ann-sedwick_n_3922738.html[/url]
[quote]The bullying started over a "boyfriend issue" last year at Crystal Lake Middle School, Sheriff Grady Judd said. But he gave no details. Police said Rebecca was suspended at one point for fighting with a girl who used to be her friend.[/quote]
[quote]Last December, Rebecca was hospitalized for three days after cutting her wrists because of what she said was bullying, according to the sheriff. Later, after Rebecca complained that she had been pushed in the hallway and that another girl wanted to fight her, Rebecca's mother began home-schooling her in Lakeland, a city of about 100,000 midway between Tampa and Orlando, Judd said.
This fall, Rebecca started at a new school, Lawton Chiles Middle Academy, and loved it, Judd said. But the bullying continued online.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Wingz;42194319]What? I'm just saying that it wasn't just online. I'm not sure what you think I meant, but I'm saying it was more than just cyber bullying and it involved bullies in real life, too.[/QUOTE]
my apologies, i misunderstood.
but yeah, one should never underestimate the power our acts have over people's minds. something that might seem petty and insignificant to your or me could easily trigger someone else's anxiety or what have you.
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