Rebecca Ann Sedwick, 12, commits suicide after extensive harassment
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[QUOTE=Riutet;42194815]It likely will stop, if it doesn't, then you do something about it.
The best advice I ever had for dealing with people who wanna cause trouble with you, is ignore them unless they escalate. Most of them give up when you don't dignify them with a response, the ones who don't you tell a member of staff about or deal with them yourself, your choice.[/QUOTE]
Your expectations towards this subject is too light hearted. Ignoring something, whatever it is, is bad.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;42194787]Zero tolerance policies are never enforced very well. If anything , they always seem to screw over the victim.[/QUOTE]
I agree with this in some respect, back in my secondary school if you got into a fight, it did not matter if you were only defending yourself, unless there was definitive proof that you were only defending yourself you both get in trouble.
[QUOTE=LarparNar;42194780]Something is wrong with you.
"Nothing of value is lost" really?
Please say that to her family and friends, see how long it takes before one of them punches you in the face.
And why don't you read the thread / article seriously? She didn't kill herself over "a few mean comments".
I thought it was bannable to not read the article before posting?[/QUOTE]
Yeah maybe they should been better parents and actually paid attention to their kid rather then let them sit on the internet all day getting "abused" by other people.
Guess it was too hard for them to keep her off the internet or take her phone away because, hey someone thats 12 clearly needs a cellphone.
Zero tolerence is too easy to abuse. I'm sorry but schools are shit at getting involved in anything to do with social lives. Most of the time the kids who are getting bullied are afraid of getting punished for any sort of retaliation. Sometimes karma don't come naturally. Although it isn't the best way to solve the issue, I knew a kid who used to bully peeps all the time. Then someone clocked him right across the face. They both got suspended and never bullied each other again.
[QUOTE=Altimor;42194831]When I was 12 if someone was being a dick to me I'd bait them into doing it around/getting noticed by staff, it made them look dumb and get publicly recognized as dicks
But I don't think someone who reacts emotionally enough to commit suicide could think clearly.[/QUOTE]
But when you were twelve, you weren't a girl who dated boys and was bullied for it by others girls constantly, everywhere you went.
[editline]14th September 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=dark soul;42194851]Yeah maybe they should been better parents and actually paid attention to their kid rather then let them sit on the internet all day getting "abused" by other people.
Guess it was too hard for them to keep her off the internet or take her phone away because, hey a 12 clearly needs a cellphone.[/QUOTE]
Read the thread, really?
[QUOTE=dark soul;42194851]Yeah maybe they should been better parents and actually paid attention to their kid rather then let them sit on the internet all day getting "abused" by other people.
Guess it was too hard for them to keep her off the internet or take her phone away because, hey a 12 clearly needs a cellphone.[/QUOTE]
yeah lets just ban phones and computers altogether instead of dealing with the problem :)
[QUOTE=dark soul;42194851]Yeah maybe they should been better parents and actually paid attention to their kid rather then let them sit on the internet all day getting "abused" by other people.
Guess it was too hard for them to keep her off the internet or take her phone away because, hey a 12 clearly needs a cellphone.[/QUOTE]
OK
1: She shouldn't be denied access to something her peers get because someone else is bullying her.
2: It can easily continue in the background amongst her friends and peers, effectively making her life at school a living hell. This can continue even if you don't use your phone / go on the Internet / have a phone in the first place.
3: It was more than namecalling and text messages, there were fights and physical abuse involved, read the thread.
[editline]15th September 2013[/editline]
Also victim blaming GG.
[QUOTE=Qubik;42194868]yeah lets just ban phones and computers altogether instead of dealing with the problem :)[/QUOTE]
Never said that, I said SHE should have had them taken away. Clearly she didn't if she was still able to sign into Kik.
[QUOTE=dark soul;42194888]Never said that, I said SHE should have had them taken away. Clearly she didn't if she was still able to sign into Kik.[/QUOTE]
But why should SHE be punished by not having access to something her friends has, because other people are being mean to her? Don't you see how that is wrong?
[QUOTE=LarparNar;42194873]OK
1: She shouldn't be denied access to something her peers get because someone else is bullying her.
2: It can easily continue in the background amongst her friends and peers, effectively making her life at school a living hell. This can continue even if you don't use your phone / go on the Internet / have a phone in the first place.
3: It was more than namecalling and text messages, there were fights and physical abuse involved, read the thread.
[editline]15th September 2013[/editline]
Also victim blaming GG.[/QUOTE]
How about instead of taking access away from her, we wait till she's old enough to be able use them responsibly.
[QUOTE=dark soul;42194888]Never said that, I said SHE should have had them taken away. Clearly she didn't if she was still able to sign into Kik.[/QUOTE]
again, why should the victim be punished by the actions of the bullies? does the concept of justice seem completely alien to you or something?
the only people at fault here are the bullies, that's it.
[QUOTE=dark soul;42194888]Never said that, I said SHE should have had them taken away. Clearly she didn't if she was still able to sign into Kik.[/QUOTE]
A student is being bullied at school. Instead of the school punishing the bullies the student being bullied is expelled. Do you see the flaw in this logic?
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;42194840]Your expectations towards this subject is too light hearted. Ignoring something, whatever it is, is bad.[/QUOTE]
My expectations are rooted in experience, I made enemies with a bunch of people while I was in school, I would not say I was bullied but definitely I have been harassed.
If you get into arguments with these people, you are pretty much playing into their hands because that is exactly what they want. Don't respond and they're stuck there talking with themselves and then they give up and go look for someone else who will respond. There were a small minority of people who didn't like being ignored, not one bit. Moment they start getting more serious then you do something about it, either by your own hands or with the help of a member of staff.
To ignore is to remove the first group of people, the casual harasser, leaving only those will not accept you ignoring them, of whom you then do something about. You wouldn't respond to a forum troll would you? Nor should you respond to the former people. To the people who up the ante? The internet stalker or the persistent bully, those are the people you should not ignore.
[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;42194913]How about instead of taking access away from her, we wait till she's old enough to be able use them responsibly.[/QUOTE]
Who's to say she wouldn't have used it responsibly if it hadn't been for the bullies?
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;42194916]A student is being bullied at school. Instead of the school punishing the bullies the student being bullied is expelled. Do you see the flaw in this logic?[/QUOTE]
Name calling on the internet isn't the same thing as being bullied in real life in a place you are required to go to for your education.
[QUOTE=dark soul;42194938]Name calling on the internet isn't the same thing as being bullied in real life in a place you are required to go to for your education.[/QUOTE]
thanks for demonstrating you didn't read the article
the internet bullies were the same people who bullied her at school and it wasn't just name calling
[QUOTE=dark soul;42194938]Name calling on the internet isn't the same thing as being bullied in real life in a place you are required to go to for your education.[/QUOTE]
How many times do you need to be told that it went far beyond simple name calling?
[QUOTE=Riutet;42194925]My expectations are rooted in experience, I made enemies with a bunch of people while I was in school, I would not say I was bullied but definitely I have been harassed.
If you get into arguments with these people, you are pretty much playing into their hands because that is exactly what they want. Don't respond and they're stuck there talking with themselves and then they give up and go look for someone else who will respond. There were a small minority of people who didn't like being ignored, not one bit. Moment they start getting more serious then you do something about it, either by your own hands or with the help of a member of staff.
To ignore is to remove the first group of people, the casual harasser, leaving only those will not accept you ignoring them, of whom you then do something about. You wouldn't respond to a forum troll would you? Nor should you respond to the former people. To the people who up the ante? The internet stalker or the persistent bully, those are the people you should not ignore.[/QUOTE]
They aren't arguments, you don't understand how bullying starts do you?
In this case, she dated a little fellow and the other girls started bullying her. In other cases, your skin color, the way you dress, the way your face looks like, the way you walk, the way you talk, the place you are from, ANYTHING CAN BE A CAUSE OF BULLYING, IGNORING IT WON'T STOP THE PEOPLE HARASSING YOU FROM KEEPING THEIR MOUTHS SHUT EVERYTIME YOU GO NEAR THEM.
The thing they are making fun of will always be a topic, because THEY ARE KIDS AND THEY DON'T KNOW BETTER THAN THAT. Little children don't have the capacity to just ignore and let others understand they were wrong.
You have the mind to make those judgements now, being mature and all, but not them.
[QUOTE=Bradyns;42193127]What's a kid that young doing on social networking sites?![/QUOTE]
She was 12, had already 'dated' a boy, been on social networks, and had her own cellphone. Not the best parenting I'd say. Parents used to plant their kids in front of the tv and let the tv babysit them. Then it was videogames. Now I guess parents give their kids mobile devices and the internet to keep them amused. Then the parents act shocked, SHOCKED I say, that inappropriate activities are taking place with kids these days.
[QUOTE=LarparNar;42194931]Who's to say she wouldn't have used it responsibly if it hadn't been for the bullies?[/QUOTE]
Uh did you read the article? The internet was taken away from her yet she still went out of her way to secretly get on a messaging service under the name "That Dead Girl". She clearly wasn't responsible enough.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;42194916]A student is being bullied at school. Instead of the school punishing the bullies the student being bullied is expelled. Do you see the flaw in this logic?[/QUOTE]
Except that's not the logic behind the situation of the girl being bullied. The first lesson in any anti-bullying lesson is this: Ignore them.
It's one of the few things the schools actually get right about bullying is that bullies are just lookin for attention. You ignore them and they will look for someone else. They're trolls that have no sense of respect.
I'm sorry, but if she is not able to comprehend the fact that ignoring a bully will make them go away, then she isn't being responsible with her technology. I'm not trying to blame the victim, but she was giving the bullies just what they wanted. She was logging into Kik/FB/whatever constantly. What she should have done was just ignore those things until shit cooled down. Her mom was trying to help her with this by taking her technology away, but once she got it back, the first thing she did was log into her old kik account where everyone was still making fun of her.
What we need isn't education about bullying and how it's bad. We need education on how to deal with bullying in the correct manner.
[QUOTE=dark soul;42194959]Uh did you read the article? The internet was taken away from her yet she still went out of her way to secretly get on a messaging service under the name "That Dead Girl". She clearly wasn't responsible enough.[/QUOTE]
After she'd already been bullied for months.
Do you realize how much psychological damage bullying can do to a person?
yeah to the people trying to be edgy by saying she shouldn't even have been annoyed, I've had large numbers of people spout abuse at me online, not as bad as her but it's pretty distressing, whether it's the internet or whether it's genuinely a crowd of people on your front lawn, it's not gonna feel great
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you can also say "oh just turn off the internet" but that doesn't work for everybody - she'd still know the abuse is coming in with or without her and worry even more about what could be being said
[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;42194960]Except that's not the logic behind the situation of the girl being bullied. The first lesson in any anti-bullying lesson is this: Ignore them.
It's one of the few things the schools actually get right about bullying is that bullies are just lookin for attention. You ignore them and they will look for someone else. They're trolls that have no sense of respect.
I'm sorry, but if she is not able to comprehend the fact that ignoring a bully will make them go away, then she isn't being responsible with her technology. I'm not trying to blame the victim, but she was giving the bullies just what they wanted. She was logging into Kik/FB/whatever constantly. What she should have done was just ignore those things until shit cooled down. Her mom was trying to help her with this by taking her technology away, but once she got it back, the first thing she did was log into her old kik account where everyone was still making fun of her.
What we need isn't education about bullying and how it's bad. We need education on how to deal with bullying in the correct manner.[/QUOTE]
Yes, ignoring a huge group of people trying to bully you mentally and physically due to something that happened is totally possible
It doesn't matter that they're hitting you, ignore it! It doesn't matter that they post naked pictures of you for everyone to see and destroy your social life at a point where it's the most important to you. Ignore it! Can't? You are a moron!
Wanted to use basic things like the internet and talking to the few friends you have left without being mentally harassed? Fuck you, you shouldn't be doing that! You're irresponsible and really dumb, and i don't see anything wrong with your death and believe it's your fault!
[editline]15th September 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=dark soul;42194756]Nothing of value lost here. Sorry to sound mean, but she probably would have ended up committing suicide anyway if she was eager to kill herself over a few mean comments on the internet.
Really tired of this generation of self entitled little pricks who cant even take a little bit of name calling. Oh boohoo, you got called a mean name or made fun of on the the internet. Try getting beaten up at school or having your face shoved in your food before you start complaining.[/QUOTE]
You're complaining about getting beat up, you weak worthless sack of shit? What is this generation coming to, people feeling bad due to getting beat up? No, PTSD and depression and hopelessness aren't real symptoms unless it's from a WAR SITUATION WHERE YOU GOT SHOT, fucking stop being a weak moron because of getting beat up or you deserve to die for it
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I can't even make myself sound as stupid as you and i'm trying
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;42194952]They aren't arguments, you don't understand how bullying starts do you?[/quote]
I do. They're not arguments in the traditional sense of a disagreement over the facts of a matter, but instead a form of argument that is more of a shit flinging competition. Someone finds an issue with you, in comes the banter, they want you to respond and if you don't they are crestfallen.
[quote]In this case, she dated a little fellow and the other girls started bullying her. In other cases, your skin color, the way you dress, the way your face looks like, the way you walk, the way you talk, the place you are from, ANYTHING CAN BE A CAUSE OF BULLYING, IGNORING IT WON'T STOP THE PEOPLE HARASSING YOU FROM KEEPING THEIR MOUTHS SHUT EVERYTIME YOU GO NEAR THEM.[/quote]
In this case she moved schools and the bullying carried on online, there are many options you can take to deal with those who harass you online, ignore and block functions being some of the most effective. If she had ignored and blocked them, there wouldn't really be an issue.
[quote]Little children don't have the capacity to just ignore and let others understand they were wrong.[/quote]
I was taught that much earlier than the age of 12, why not other people?
[QUOTE=Riutet;42195072]
I was taught that much earlier than the age of 12, why not other people?[/QUOTE]
"I was taught to ignore people calling me shit when i was 12, that means everyone is capable of it regardless of the severity of the bullying"
Try to ignore someone physically hitting you or posting naked pictures of you on the net and destroying your social life. Or, for that matter, do anything about it a a 12 year old girl against a group of people when the world is filled with people trying to downplay bullying like you are
[QUOTE=Riutet;42195072]I do. They're not arguments in the traditional sense of a disagreement over the facts of a matter, but instead a form of argument that is more of a shit flinging competition. Someone finds an issue with you, in comes the banter, they want you to respond and if you don't they are crestfallen.
In this case she moved schools and the bullying carried on online, there are many options you can take to deal with those who harass you online, ignore and block functions being some of the most effective. If she had ignored and blocked them, there wouldn't really be an issue.
I was taught that much earlier than the age of 12, why not other people?[/QUOTE]
Is it really that hard to try and comprehend THEIR SITUATION and not compare it to yours?
[QUOTE]they want you to respond and if you don't they are crestfallen.[/QUOTE]
Easy, ignore and they'll stop. Bullshit, once they start it won't stop.
[QUOTE]ignore and block functions being some of the most effective. If she had ignored and blocked them, there wouldn't really be an issue.[/QUOTE]
You realise that even if she goes offline, the content is still online and for everyone to see and the bullies to spread around? What happened in one school will happen throughout everytime someone that looks at her, she'll probably think they've seen that content.
[QUOTE]I was taught that much earlier than the age of 12, why not other people?[/QUOTE]
You were taught that, then again not everyone lives the same life, not everyone can dig out of something so easily, even if you were taught to ignore the problem, it still doesn't mean it will go away.
So appearance with this generation;Sticks and stones may break your bones but words will make you go to an abandoned concrete plant,climbed a tower and hurled herself to your death.
[QUOTE=RandomGamer342;42195106]"I was taught to ignore people calling me shit when i was 12, that means everyone is capable of it regardless of the severity of the bullying"
Try to ignore someone physically hitting you or posting naked pictures of you on the net and destroying your social life. Or, for that matter, do anything about it a a 12 year old girl against a group of people when the world is filled with people trying to downplay bullying like you are[/QUOTE]
If you would read anything I have said, you would see at no point in any of my posts do I say, "Ignore being brutalised." I am merely saying, if it's a matter of words, ignore it unless it's persistent or escalates to something worse.
I do not understand what is so hard to understand about this concept, it filters out the half hearted trolls.
If you're able to kill yourself because someone made fun of you online, you're fucking weak.
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