Rebecca Ann Sedwick, 12, commits suicide after extensive harassment
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[QUOTE=dark soul;42195143]So appearance with this generation;Sticks and stones may break your bones but words will make you go to an abandoned concrete plant,climbed a tower and hurled herself to your death.[/QUOTE]
nah, it's more like "be a decent person and put yourself in the other person's shoes you dick" but hey, nevermind! this generation, right? they don't know!
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;42195158]If you're able to kill yourself because someone made fun of you online, you're fucking weak.[/QUOTE]
oh look who's here
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;42195158]If you're able to kill yourself because someone made fun of you online, you're fucking weak.[/QUOTE]
If you aren't able to read the thread because it's long, you're fucking weak.
[QUOTE=dark soul;42195143]So appearance with this generation;Sticks and stones may break your bones but words will make you go to an abandoned concrete plant,climbed a tower and hurled herself to your death.[/QUOTE]
What if i told you she was also bullied physically
Oh wait, you'll cleverly ignore this post to make sure your superiority complex doesn't stop
[quote]Easy, ignore and they'll stop. Bullshit, once they start it won't stop.[/quote]
Does sometimes, when it doesn't, then you do something about it, until then don't waste your time.
[quote]You realise that even if she goes offline, the content is still online and for everyone to see and the bullies to spread around? What happened in one school will happen throughout everytime someone that looks at her, she'll probably think they've seen that content.[/quote]
I'm not even saying she should go offline, I'm saying she should use the ignore and block functions that are available on most social media sites but are criminally underused.
[quote]You were taught that, then again not everyone lives the same life, not everyone can dig out of something so easily, even if you were taught to ignore the problem, it still doesn't mean it will go away.[/QUOTE]
If it goes away which it may, problem solved. If it does not, well then you have an issue that cannot be solved by ignoring it and you should then proceed to do something about it.
[QUOTE=Riutet;42195146]If you would read anything I have said, you would see at no point in any of my posts do I say, "Ignore being brutalised." I am merely saying, if it's a matter of words, ignore it unless it's persistent or escalates to something worse.
I do not understand what is so hard to understand about this concept, it filters out the half hearted trolls.[/QUOTE]
If you would read anything i said, you would find that this girl's situation had escalated to the point where saying "ignore it" is [B][I]completely irrelevant[/I][/B]
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;42195158]If you're able to kill yourself because someone made fun of you online, you're fucking weak.[/QUOTE]
look alex with another one of his sociopath opinions
please read the article and the entirety of the thread before you say something like this
[QUOTE=Riutet;42195188]Does sometimes, when it doesn't, then you do something about it, until then don't waste your time.
I'm not even saying she should go offline, I'm saying she should use the ignore and block functions that are available on most social media sites but are criminally underused.
If it goes away which it may, problem solved. If it does not, well then you have an issue that cannot be solved by ignoring it and you should then proceed to do something about it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Does sometimes, when it doesn't, then you do something about it, until then don't waste your time.[/QUOTE]
They did do it and look what happened.
[QUOTE]I'm not even saying she should go offline, I'm saying she should use the ignore and block functions that are available on most social media sites but are criminally underused.[/QUOTE]
Ignoring the fact that the content about her will still be online, 10/10
[QUOTE]If it goes away which it may, problem solved. If it does not, well then you have an issue that cannot be solved by ignoring it and you should then proceed to do something about it.[/QUOTE]
Overall, they did do something about it and it continued to follow her, resulting in her death.
PUT YOURSELF IN HER SHOES.
[QUOTE=dark soul;42195143]So appearance with this generation;Sticks and stones may break your bones but words will make you go to an abandoned concrete plant,climbed a tower and hurled herself to your death.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure you're the type of persons who would bully a person. It's not simple name-calling, it's constant harassment in school and destroying a persons social life by spreading rumors about them.
Cyber-bullying is just another tool for bullies, don't confuse it with anonymous Internet name-callers, it's the bullies now publicly shaming them on social networking sites and pretty much making it impossible for them to have a normal social life. You can't just ignore it when you see these kids every day.
[QUOTE=RandomGamer342;42195197]If you would read anything i said, you would find that this girl's situation had escalated to the point where saying "ignore it" is [B][I]completely irrelevant[/I][/B][/QUOTE]
And if you would read anything I have said, you will see that by my criteria, in this girls situation ignoring it was no longer an option and we are in agreement.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;42193633]ok ill stop bullshitting
[b]YOU'RE A STUPID ASSHOLE, PLEASE EDUCATE YOURSELF ON WHY PEOPLE COMMIT SUICIDE, ONCE AGAIN, YOU STUPID ASSHOLE[/b][/QUOTE]
woah why didn't this guy get banned for flaming
[QUOTE=Riutet;42195188]Does sometimes, when it doesn't, then you do something about it, until then don't waste your time.
I'm not even saying she should go offline, I'm saying she should use the ignore and block functions that are available on most social media sites but are criminally underused.
If it goes away which it may, problem solved. If it does not, well then you have an issue that cannot be solved by ignoring it and you should then proceed to do something about it.[/QUOTE]
Okay, how about this, instead of saying "ignore when possible, otherwise do something about it", point out exactly what part of this girl's bullying could've been solved through ignoring, how much more should've happened before it's relevant to do something about it, and in what way she would've solved this situation
Preferrably without the generic "I did this it fixes bullying!" attitude, thanks
[editline]15th September 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Riutet;42195237]And if you would read anything I have said, you will see that by my criteria, in this girls situation ignoring it was no longer an option and we are in agreement.[/QUOTE]
Then why are you discussing something that is completely irrelevant to the thread
You've spent ages advocating "ignoring" as a way to fix bullying when it has no relevancy other than you being able to do it
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;42195222]They did do it and look what happened.[/quote]
She actually didn't ignore it, her parents took steps to make her ignore it and had her move schools and things got better. Then she took steps herself to get back to the online harassment and things got worse again. So, there's that.
[quote]Ignoring the fact that the content about her will still be online, 10/10[/quote]
A lot of sites have the option to delete content that has been posted to you. Ignore, block, delete comments and messages, if it carries on make a new account. When your new friends ask for your details give them the new details, easy.
[quote]Overall, they did do something about it and it continued to follow her, resulting in her death.[/quote]
She actually went back to it of her own accord, not exactly ignoring it.
[quote]PUT YOURSELF IN HER SHOES.[/QUOTE]
Only if I get to wear her panties too, that's the deal breaker.
[editline]15th September 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=RandomGamer342;42195255]Then why are you discussing something that is completely irrelevant to the thread
You've spent ages advocating "ignoring" as a way to fix bullying when it has no relevancy other than you being able to do it[/QUOTE]
Because someone said ignoring a problem does not fix it. But that is blatantly wrong as the reality is much more nuanced than that.
[editline]15th September 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=RandomGamer342;42195255]point out exactly what part of this girl's bullying could've been solved through ignoring[/QUOTE]
"At one point, the mother had pulled her daughter out of school and transferred her to another, closed down the girl's Facebook page and took away her cellphone.
Things seems to be getting better and Rebecca's spirits seemed to be lifting at her new school.
But she also secretly signed on to new apps such as a cellphone message application called Kik Messenger and the bullying resumed, the Times said.
In Kik Messenger, Sedwick had changed her user name to "That Dead Girl," the Times said."
You are actually ignorant towards this, no point anymore in discussing it with someone that makes such a joke about a dead girl.
Good job proving yourself as an incoherent and self-righteous person.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;42195339]You are actually ignorant towards this, no point anymore in discussing it with someone that makes such a joke about a dead girl.
Good job proving yourself as an incoherent and self-righteous person.[/QUOTE]
Where is the incoherency in what I have said?
This is not as simple as "turn off pc lmao"
Kids at this age value their social life and friends above everything else. If their social life is poor or nonexistent, they're going to have problems with themselves.
They're not as developed as adults; some of which can simply sweep these things aside and carry on or find a better way to deal with them. Turning off the computer or getting away from social networking sites wouldn't have done much but let the bad thoughts fester and metastasize within her brain, only making her feel worse and worse.
[QUOTE=Riutet;42195346]Where is the incoherency in what I have said?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]in·co·her·ent
1. Lacking cohesion, connection, or harmony; not coherent
2. Unable to think or express one's thoughts in a clear or orderly manner[/QUOTE]
You're seeing it your way and not her way, you don't have the connection to these problems understand what her problem really is.
I'm done.
[QUOTE=Riutet;42195346]Where is the incoherency in what I have said?[/QUOTE]
it's not incoherent, it's just not relevant in any way
i see your point but all the scenarios you have posted aren't really applicable in this case, you yourself keep saying that when the bullies are persistent then it warrants action but fail to acknowledge that those are exactly the kind of bullies in this story! you keep bringing up what you'd do and what you think would work but it's been proven several times in this thread that in this particular case ignoring the bullies wouldn't have worked considering they were physically abusive towards her at school and continued to harass her even after she switched schools. you're working under the assumption that everyone would follow your logic under different situations when it's been stated ad nauseaum that different people react to stress differently.
i don't doubt that you're disgusted by this just as much as we are but your approach to the issue simply doesn't apply here, action is needed to prevent more things like this happening. saying that ignoring bullying is the solution to all cases of bullying everywhere is like saying colorblindness is the cure for racism; it's shortsighted and nothing but a temporary fix.
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;42195158]If you're able to kill yourself because someone made fun of you online, you're fucking weak.[/QUOTE]
A 12 year old girl showing weakness? Well, I never! I'm sure you're a real tough guy who doesn't care what people tell him online but not everyone can be as brave as you.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;42195383]You're seeing it your way and not her way, you don't have the connection to these problems understand what her problem really is.
I'm done.[/QUOTE]
My statement is, after she moved schools, ignoring the problem by means of her parents taking away her phone and internet access (they could have just changed numbers and made new accounts for her) actually worked. She was the one who took the steps that led to the harassment she had gotten away from coming back by not ignoring the problem.
Your argument is that I need to understand her perspective, that she is an emotional little girl and doesn't know to ignore these people. This is true, however I am saying that it is a problem that she had not been taught that the best way to deal with these people was simply to ignore them, especially after she changed schools. And that in practice, ignoring worked until she stopped ignoring.
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;42195158]If you're able to kill yourself because someone made fun of you online, you're fucking weak.[/QUOTE]
do you ever feel like a bad person
[QUOTE=arbio22;42195364]They're not as developed as adults; some of which can simply sweep these things aside and carry on or find a better way to deal with them. Turning off the computer or getting away from social networking sites wouldn't have done much but let the bad thoughts fester and metastasize within her brain, only making her feel worse and worse.[/QUOTE]
While this is tragic and it is true that childrens' minds are not as developed, people need to stop treating 12 year olds like monkeys that are addicted to a "social crack."
Most 12 year olds are completely capable of logical thinking. Her death was the result of something inherently wrong with her psyche, as well as an indirect result of the bullying itself. I would go as far as to say the abuse sustained her to the point it was too much, if the whole "she continued to go back on" is true. These things are never black and white unfortunately.
Just calling it, I was bullied when I was a kid as well, maybe I'm "special" but I knew the repercussions of falling to my death.
[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;42195427]i see your point but all the scenarios you have posted aren't really applicable in this case, you yourself keep saying that when the bullies are persistent then it warrants action, and those are exactly the kind of bullies in this story! you keep bringing up what you'd do and what you think would work but it's been proven several times in this thread that in this particular case that ignoring the bullies wouldn't have worked considering they were physically abusive towards her at school and continued to harass her even after she switched schools. you're working under the assumption that everyone would follow your logic under different situations when it's been stated ad nauseaum that different people react to stress differently.[/quote]
This argument does not apply to my argument, as my argument was addressing the fallacious argument that ignoring the problem NEVER works. My argument was then construed to be an argument for what this little girl should have done. Then I clarified that in this particular situation, up until she moved schools she met the criteria for doing something about it and that I am not in disagreement with the people saying that something needed to be done about the bullying.
[quote]saying that ignoring bullying is the solution to all cases of bullying everywhere is like saying colorblindness is the cure for racism; it's shortsighted and nothing but a temporary fix.[/QUOTE]
You have misconstrued what I have said, because I am pretty I differentiated between different situations where harassment should be ignored and when it should not. Never do I say the solution to all bullying is to ignore.
[QUOTE=Riutet;42195477]My statement is, after she moved schools, ignoring the problem by means of her parents taking away her phone and internet access (they could have just changed numbers and made new accounts for her) actually worked. She was the one who took the steps that led to the harassment she had gotten away from coming back and not ignoring the problem.
Your argument is that I need to understand her perspective, that she is an emotional little girl and doesn't know to ignore these people. This is true, however I am saying that it is a problem that she had not been taught that the best way to deal with these people was simply to ignore them, especially after she changed schools. And that in practice, ignoring worked until she stopped ignoring.[/QUOTE]
why should she be denied a social tool that her peers at her new school most likely use cause of bullies?
just because you lack a social life, doesn't mean everyone else is or should be deprived of one
whys that when this shit happens, no one fucking blames the bullies?
it's absurd that a human being commits suicide and the first thought is: "man, its his/her fault, man's he's/she's weak" and etc, rather than "those bullies are assholes"
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;42195565]why should she be denied a social tool that her peers at her new school most likely use cause of bullies?[/quote]
Did you not read my post man? I explicitly said that she did not need to be denied these social tools, that it was a step too far.
[quote]just because you lack a social life, doesn't mean everyone else is or should be deprived of one[/quote]
Rated funny.
[quote]whys that when this shit happens, no one fucking blames the bullies?[/quote]
Because the fact that the bullies are at fault is a given, it is redundant to say that they are, because they are. But for the sake of people who do not understand this nuance of human communication, maybe we should state it. "Here is what could have been done about it, #butthebulliesarestillatfault."
[editline]15th September 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=The golden;42195584]So your solution is to punish the poor girl for being bullied?
Holy shit I hope you never have children.[/QUOTE]
Please read my post properly, you literally stopped short of the bit where I said that was too drastic and she could have kept both of those things.
kids dese days are real dicks when it comes to socializing.
[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;42195606]kids dese days are real dicks when it comes to socializing.[/QUOTE]
Bullying has always been a thing. People just have more tools.
The whole "Fear strangers" scare thing really shot socializing in the foot.
[QUOTE=Riutet;42195592]Did you not read my post man? I explicitly said that she did not need to be denied these social tools, that it was a step too far.
Rated funny.
Because the fact that the bullies are at fault is a given, it is redundant to say that they are, because they are. But for the sake of people who do not understand this nuance of human communication, maybe we should state it.
[editline]15th September 2013[/editline]
Please read my post properly, you literally stopped short of the bit where I said that was too drastic and she could have kept both of those things.[/QUOTE]
i do read your posts properly, all i see is victim blaming and being mr. captain hindsight, then you backpedalling going 'NO SIR-EE, THAT IS NOT WHAT I MEANT, PLS KEEP READING'
just because you say words you read from thesaurus doesn't' make your argument valid such as "she should be able to use social tools....she shouldn't have used the social tool, she should kept ignoring!!'
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;42195641]i do read your posts properly, all i see is victim blaming and being mr. captain hindsight, then you backpedalling going 'NO SIR-EE, THAT IS NOT WHAT I MEANT, PLS KEEP READING'
just because you say words you read from thesaurus doesn't' make your argument valid such as "she should be able to use social tools....she shouldn't have used the social tool, she should kept ignoring!!'[/QUOTE]
"I just read your posts properly, but by that, what I actually mean is that I didn't. Now I'm going to call you a victim blaming weenie, nerd."
[QUOTE=Riutet;42195666]"I just read your posts properly, but by that, what I actually mean is that I didn't. Now I'm going to call you a victim blaming weenie, nerd."[/QUOTE]
"i cant refute this so i'll shitpost lol" - riulet 2013
gg wp
All of you are idiots.
Pls send me bank account details before you off yourselves thnx.
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