• Green Day Bassist Mike Dirnt Says Band Concerned Over Effect of Violent Video Games On Kids
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[QUOTE=J$ Psychotic;50942590]You're wrong. I like Green Day.[/QUOTE] Well you'd better let Mike Dirnt know because he's saying all sorts of ridiculous shit for attention.
Honestly if anything has affected me negatively it's more likely to be seeing people legit getting decapitated and murdered on the internet when I was like 13
[QUOTE=Fangz;50942020][url=http://www.nme.com/news/green-day/95917]Source[/url]. "Video games make our kids violent :^)"[/QUOTE] You would think someone in the music industry would have a better opinion on this matter, considering music has been blamed for violence so many times in the past. Most media has moved from rap and metal causing violence to video games causing violence and this guy is just buying into an excuse. [B]"And that’s got to take a toll, but I don’t have the solutions.”[/B] The solution is to stop blaming video games and TV and try to teach our children to take responsibility for their actions and realize there are consequences, and to realize that what they are watching is not real life.
[QUOTE=TK 421;50946003]try to teach our children to take responsibility for their actions and realize there are consequences[/QUOTE] The constant teaching of that in the school system hasn't deterred sociopaths from committing mass shootings.
[QUOTE=TK 421;50946003]You would think someone in the music industry would have a better opinion on this matter, considering music has been blamed for violence so many times in the past. Most media has moved from rap and metal causing violence to video games causing violence and this guy is just buying into an excuse. [B]"And that’s got to take a toll, but I don’t have the solutions.”[/B] The solution is to stop blaming video games and TV and try to teach our children to take responsibility for their actions and realize there are consequences, and to realize that what they are watching is not real life.[/QUOTE] In order to teach kids to have responsibility for their actions the adults first have to learn to take responsibility for theirs. We don't see nearly enough of that these days.
If violent video games effected people in such a way it makes them go violent, what's the excuse before video games? What about the billions of gamers and games played that have resulted in no violence. I bet more people have snapped and killed people who have eaten cheerios than those that have played games, maybe we should ban Cheerios What about your song Kill The DJ, Mike. What about that
[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50946020]The constant teaching of that in the school system hasn't deterred sociopaths from committing mass shootings.[/QUOTE] True, but it shouldn't completely be the schools responsibility to teach that, that is mostly the parents responsibility. Without going into the whole mental illness cop-out, many kids that commit shootings are usually people with grudges or anger against a certain group; using Columbine as an example, those kids were bullied and basically outcasts and they had a lot of anger and the school didn't act to curb the bullying and torture they went through on a daily basis. Blaming video games became a huge thing with Columbine because they played Doom. Edit: Contradicted myself a little, so I edited it. [QUOTE=DiBBs27;50946111]In order to teach kids to have responsibility for their actions the adults first have to learn to take responsibility for theirs. We don't see nearly enough of that these days.[/QUOTE] True, a lot of kids are heavily influenced by their parents and peers.
says the band with an entire album about killing st jimmy normal people can differentiate between fiction and reality
Punk 2016 [IMG]https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14051832_1404513242898680_5088483668240221114_n.png?oh=0fc3cf97bde9b7eb2e5d7bb4ca8ac709&oe=5852770D[/IMG] Fight the man, man.
green day bassist mike dirnt struggles to stay relevant in 2016
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;50945154]hey american parents you know what affects kids a lot more than violent video games bad divorces fuckers[/QUOTE] This so much. My parents had a messy divorce after a whole year of coming home from school to them fighting every single day, getting progressively worse until my mom decided she needed to call the police. I'd say if anything in my life fucked me up, it was that. I'll probably never have kids because I don't want to run the risk of having to put them through something like that.
[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;50946579]Punk 2016 [IMG]https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14051832_1404513242898680_5088483668240221114_n.png?oh=0fc3cf97bde9b7eb2e5d7bb4ca8ac709&oe=5852770D[/IMG] Fight the man, man.[/QUOTE] What, are you saying it'd be better with those things or what?
[QUOTE=Garrot;50946974]What, are you saying it'd be better with those things or what?[/QUOTE] The thrust isn't that it would be, but that a punk festival with a massive placard of rules governing behavior probably comes off somewhat antithetical to a genre known for rebelliousness and rejection of both the establishment and flower-power hippie idealism (not my words, words from a critic quotes on Wikipedia).
[QUOTE=TomoAlien;50942077]I didn't know that "American Idiot" was an autobiography. For crying out loud, this myth of "violent video games cause violence" has been proven false numerous times, but I guess emotions are more important than facts to quite a lot of people. Also that quote in bold... "Video games are different now too. You’re actually in there shooting and killing people". Man, you need psychological help because it looks like you can't tell the difference between fiction and reality.[/QUOTE] nah man, it was different before vr headsets. before the dark times.
[QUOTE=kharkovus;50942037]The media complains about violent video games while it then broadcasts and popularizes the idea of shooting up schools and going out with a bang to the mentally ill. Maybe entertainment media isn't the kind of media that's the fucking problem, eh?[/QUOTE] I've always found it smugly amusing that the news media talks about video game causing violence despite the fact that they practically have a fucking score board for shootings
[QUOTE=Garrot;50946974]What, are you saying it'd be better with those things or what?[/QUOTE] No but having a long list of rules that take up half the stage seems counterproductive to the spirit of punk.
Worrying about the effect of video game violence on children? Damn, that's pretty punk rock.
[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;50946579]Punk 2016 [IMG]https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14051832_1404513242898680_5088483668240221114_n.png?oh=0fc3cf97bde9b7eb2e5d7bb4ca8ac709&oe=5852770D[/IMG] Fight the man, man.[/QUOTE] A couple of things: Punk has always been about things like this. Punk was a very politically charged movement that has often sought to fight perceived injustices. There's a lot of feminist punk music, a lot of afro-centric punk music. Now in reality often it hasn't gone that way; there's been a lot of nazi skinheads and stuff. But if you listen to a lot of the originators talk about it, They saw it as a movement for positive change. But more importantly, Afropunk isn't a punk festival. Ice Cube is playing there, so is Flying Lotus. Fuck George Clinton, one of the godfathers of funk music, is on the line-up. There are a couple of bands that are considered punk there, but it's really not the focal point of the festival at all.
couldn't they sum up that poster with "no hate"?
[QUOTE=Pops;50947598]nah man, it was different before vr headsets. before the dark times.[/QUOTE] nah man, it was different before 3D graphics. before the dark times. also it was different before 2.5D sprite graphics. it was also different before 16 bit games and it was also different before arcade machines man. wait i've reached the bottom. its pinball's fault, its totally corrupted the morals of society and turning kids into killers, yep we need to get rid of all pinballs in arcades everywhere.
[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;50946579]Punk 2016 [IMG]https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14051832_1404513242898680_5088483668240221114_n.png?oh=0fc3cf97bde9b7eb2e5d7bb4ca8ac709&oe=5852770D[/IMG] Fight the man, man.[/QUOTE] Maybe you've never heard of the Gilman, one of the biggest springboard venues for new punk acts. [img]http://ww2.kqed.org/arts/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/02/gilmanrules.jpg[/img] It's been around since 1986 and was the starting point for plenty of punk bands, including The Offspring and Green Day.
[QUOTE=Sableye;50948484]nah man, it was different before 3D graphics. before the dark times. also it was different before 2.5D sprite graphics. it was also different before 16 bit games and it was also different before arcade machines man. wait i've reached the bottom. its pinball's fault, its totally corrupted the morals of society and turning kids into killers, yep we need to get rid of all pinballs in arcades everywhere.[/QUOTE] damn, if we're going back this far, then it was before throwing rocks. before the dark times.
True punk is racist and hateful I guess. Ageism and Fatphobia are funny but otherwise I don't see the problem.
[QUOTE=Pops;50948293]couldn't they sum up that poster with "no hate"?[/QUOTE] Be excellent to each other?
[QUOTE=Rossy167;50951292]Be excellent to each other?[/QUOTE] no, we're past the days of bill and ted having any impact on society.
[QUOTE=Garrot;50946974]What, are you saying it'd be better with those things or what?[/QUOTE] Punk is a rejection of authority dude, this is the last place to put up a giant list of thoughtcrimes next to the stage you really should stop conflating the application and context of ideas, with the ideas as isolated concepts. it leads to some absurd and hollow arguments. The problem isn't me wanting to be free to be an uber racist in public, it's just that A) it goes without saying B) it should be social accountability holding that in check (IE, dude don't say that, that's a real shit thing to say) C) that kind of stuff blunts discourse. If you say "no racism!" with no qualifying factors, someone who says "yeah i believe in race nationalism, here's my argument" could piss off one or two people and get thrown out, even though there's nothing illegal about holding that opinion. And if anything he says/does [I]is[/I] illegal, than the rules are irrelevant and do nothing other than say "hey look how progressive we are!" without really doing anything of worth. and D) it's a fucking punk festival, a movement about rejection of bloody authority. It's like anarcho communists, it's a wonder the mind can internalize such condradictive ideas fight the power, but in a non aggresive non transphobic, non ablist way, xer!
[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;50955497]Punk is a rejection of authority dude, this is the last place to put up a giant list of thoughtcrimes next to the stage you really should stop conflating the application and context of ideas, with the ideas as isolated concepts. it leads to some absurd and hollow arguments[/QUOTE] Presumably they aren't criminalizing thoughts, as I doubt punk concerts have the capability to actually do this, so much as speech. You can reject authority while simultaneously telling people not to be racist cunts.
Yes but it's not qualified, it's just saying "here's a vague list of incorrect opinions, interpret them at your own discretion", leading to a culture empowering people based on how it made them "feel", which is vague, favors mob behavior and is easy to abuse you shouldn't [I]have[/I] to tell people not to be a dick through a list of rules, and if they are, ask them to stop. If they're wrong, people will back you up, and odds are they'll stop. No list of approved behaviour needed. It's a rulesystem that favors an authority to sort shit out for you, as opposed to you asserting yourself and dealing with it yourself. The very antithesis of what it is to be punk. That's why i found it so stupid
I'd feel like you would whine even more if they were specific requests rather than vague "don't be a dick" ideas. Nobody wants to go to a concert and deal with racist homophobic bullshit, they want to listen to music. It has nothing to do with your personal view on what makes punk punk. [editline]27th August 2016[/editline] I don't know anything about punk and don't consider myself the moral arbiter on what is and isn't allowed to fall under the jurisdiction of the punk genre but this post seems compelling and I feel like you ignored it. [QUOTE=Paramud;50948567]Maybe you've never heard of the Gilman, one of the biggest springboard venues for new punk acts. [IMG]http://ww2.kqed.org/arts/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/02/gilmanrules.jpg[/IMG] It's been around since 1986 and was the starting point for plenty of punk bands, including The Offspring and Green Day.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;50943996]Video games helped me read, since Legend of Zelda series is all text dialogue. I'd ask my parents, "Mom, Come here!" "...what does this word mean?" and I'd point at the screen. People under-estimate the good that videogames can do.[/QUOTE] Gmod led me to Facepunch, where I was but a 9 y/o and smartness was still a thing, and I learned proper grammar from that. Not directly videogames, but I can guarantee I wouldn't be here without it.
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