• Meet H.R.193 - "American Sovereignty Restoration Act of 2017": Another attempt to leave the UN
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[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;51708346]China and Russia would love it. And America wouldn't be able to push around the UN Security Council for trying to do anything at all involving Israel or Palestine. So... America can only lose control of things Americans supposedly care about? Including that most volatile of third rails, Israel? Ok go ahead with that, America, but I don't want to hear bitching when the UNSC tries to sanction Israel and tell it what to do with Gaza. Oh fuck this is an attempt to recreate Brexit in the US, isn't it? If I hear Unexit becoming a serious thing, fuck me with a bandsaw[/QUOTE] The US leaving wouldn't do much for Russia or China. It would make the entire organization defunct and many other countries would start leaving.
I like the UN and I think it does good work!
[QUOTE=King Tiger;51709461]The US leaving wouldn't do much for Russia or China. It would make the entire organization defunct and many other countries would start leaving.[/QUOTE] Very naive view of an extremely beneficial global union consisting of 193 nations.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;51709474]Very naive view of an extremely beneficial global union consisting of 193 nations.[/QUOTE] I think the UN is a great organization. It's important to have a open diplomatic platform for countries to make deals rather than enter open conflict.
I can't wait for the inevitable isolation advocates to show up, briefly argue that the US should just cut itself off from literally everything, then disappear when people start engaging them in debate and showcasing just how mutually beneficial US involvement in the world at large is
what benefit is there for the us to do this? like, what on earth do we have to gain?
I like how the UN is both powerless and useless and the evil NWO trying to destroy America at the same time to some people.
[QUOTE=ph:lxyz;51708508]The world's nations would be far better economically off if it weren't for the likes of the UN, the IMF, the World Bank, the Bank of International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland and the Vatican Bank. The only reason they are trying to bring people together is to consolidate everyone under their rules. They're not very effective at it today, but sooner or later there will be a UN Parlimentary Assembly and oops! Now they're very powerful.[/QUOTE] not very effective is better than none at all... these trade unions didnt come about because we all want to dominate each other either, we needed to come to some kind of common understanding
I'm no fan of the UN as I think it's bloated mess of bureaucracy which has lost sight of it's original purpose. However, it's a bloated mess that the United States has immense pushing power in on a global scale. You'd have to be a fucking blithering retard to expect any benefits or positive outcomes from this move. Even if their goal is a return to non-interventionism and neutrality we would still be better off keeping our position and using our powers to manage that doctrine rather than throwing everything away.
[QUOTE=Judas;51709517]what benefit is there for the us to do this? like, what on earth do we have to gain?[/QUOTE] Nothing, as far as I know It would be a solid power boost for Putin, though
[QUOTE]American Sovereignty Restoration Act of 2017[/QUOTE] Are they actually retarded? Maintainance of Sovereignty is part of the UN's founding chater, the US flouts multiple piece of UN sponsored international law and the UN can't do anything against them. Like what possible justification could that have for this?
[QUOTE=King Tiger;51709461]The US leaving wouldn't do much for Russia or China. It would make the entire organization defunct and many other countries would start leaving.[/QUOTE] Just how would one of 193 nations make it defunct? This seems like wishful thinking on your part and a healthy dose of American egocentricism. You guys are a key player on the world stage but you're not [I]that[/I] important.
[QUOTE=The mouse;51709542]Are they actually retarded? Maintainance of Sovereignty is part of the UN's founding chater, the US flouts multiple piece of UN sponsored international law and the UN can't do anything against them. Like what possible justification could that have for this?[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-united-nations-club-have-good-time-barack-obama-israel-settlements-a7496786.html[/url] "We sure showed the crooked NWO gubamint"
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;51709552]Just how would one of 193 nations make it defunct? This seems like wishful thinking on your part and a healthy dose of American egocentricism. You guys are a key player on the world stage but you're not [I]that[/I] important.[/QUOTE] The UN is based on american soil but it's not like they can't move
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;51709552]Just how would one of 193 nations make it defunct? This seems like wishful thinking on your part and a healthy dose of American egocentricism. You guys are a key player on the world stage but you're not [I]that[/I] important.[/QUOTE] Because the US is so powerful and because it has so many allies (some of which are vassals, really) it would create a power vacuum in the UN and nations would just start bypassing it to conduct business in different blocs and different spheres. For instance, I don't think Poland or Ukraine would really care about Russia's veto power anymore if the US left.
[QUOTE=J!NX;51708268]What would this cause, if it happened? anyways? Obviously bad, but how fucked would everyone be?[/QUOTE] The US would save money they give to the UN. In return, they would lose the most effective mode of influencing global politics in history.
Sure, let's just retreat into our shell and hand THE ENTIRE WORLD over to authoritarians. Great idea.
Sponsor: Rep. Rogers, Mike D.[R-AL-3] 2184 Rayburn HOB Washington, DC 20515 Phone: (202) 225-3261 Cosponsors: Rep. Jones, Walter B., Jr. [R-NC-3] 2333 Rayburn HOB Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-3415 Rep. Biggs, Andy [R-AZ-5] 1626 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-2635 Rep. Smith, Jason [R-MO-8] 2502 Tanner Drive Suite 205 Cape Girardeau, MO 63703 Phone: 573-335-0101 Rep. Massie, Thomas [R-KY-4] 2453 Rayburn House Office Building Phone: (202) 225-3465 Rep. Duncan, John J., Jr. [R-TN-2] Washington, DC 20515 Phone: (202) 225-5435 Rep. Gaetz, Matt [R-FL-1] 507 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-4136 Call them and let them know what you think of their latest plan to undermine our nation's influence abroad. Most of the offices are open 7 am to 5-6 pm EST. I called today, and I plan on calling first thing each morning until it is again torn asunder. Doing anything else would be failing to fulfill my duties of a citizen of this country. It is also incredibly important to call your representatives and let them know your opinion of the recent proposal.
how uneducated and naïve do you have to be to even think this is a good idea
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;51709552]Just how would one of 193 nations make it defunct? This seems like wishful thinking on your part and a healthy dose of American egocentricism. You guys are a key player on the world stage but you're not [I]that[/I] important.[/QUOTE] 20% of the UN fundimg comes from the US plus most of their organization, physically, resides in the US, its the entire reason why pretty much everybody has a massive embassy in New York, and as one of the perminent security council members we have enormous power over its policy arms
[QUOTE=Sableye;51711940]20% of the UN fundimg comes from the US plus most of their organization, physically, resides in the US, its the entire reason why pretty much everybody has a massive embassy in New York, and as one of the perminent security council members we have enormous power over its policy arms[/QUOTE] And any of this is carved in stone where? The US doesn't get to shut the UN down, it'd just have to pack up and move. And, yes, this would be a costly and time-consuming endeavour...which is [B]really[/B] going to encourage countries around the world to give the US good trade deals and foster stronger relationships with them, I'm sure. The US is still losing out, ultimately, in this deal, by giving up its very potent negotiation position. All that power over the policy arms will go away as soon as the US gives up its reserved permanent seat on the UN Security Council, and I haven't done the research but I imagine this would be part and parcel of pulling out of the UN. It's the same goddamn non-logic as Brexit. Putin's dick must be so hard he's able to break glass with it.
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