• Top Taliban commander captured, U.S. official says
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Yes the anti-capitalist, anti-west, anti-jew organization that bases itself in caves and hovels relies heavily upon bankers and the gentry.
[QUOTE=Lankist;20257720]Yes the anti-capitalist, anti-west, anti-jew organization that bases itself in caves and hovels relies heavily upon bankers and the gentry.[/QUOTE] Al quieda is anti-capitalist?
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20257759]Al quieda is anti-capitalist?[/QUOTE] What are you illiterate
neither the taliban nor al qaeda are anti-capitalist. quite the opposite.
Sharia law isn't very keen on equal opportunity and free market. [editline]06:30PM[/editline] Nor is it kind on banking, fiscal and human rights.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;20247753]Taliban have just stormed the whitehouse, Obama escaped but unfortunately [B]Joe Biden was killed [/B](Or Secretary of Defense Robert Gates if you want to be anal about it)[/QUOTE] unfortunately? [editline]12:32AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Mokkan13;20245324] Though, America will win one day. Just a matter of time[/QUOTE] No Empire has ever won a war in Afghanistan. [editline]12:34AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Lankist;20257877]Sharia law isn't very keen on equal opportunity and [B]free market.[/B] [editline]06:30PM[/editline] Nor is it kind on banking, fiscal and human rights.[/QUOTE] Neither is the FDA. and human rights means nothing in capitalism, quiet the opposite. And They like to control people socially, not so much economically and besides, Al quieda is not anti-capitalist in anyway and being anti-capitalist is a good thing, the fuck are you on about? [editline]12:36AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Conscript;20257093]is that a joke what do you think they run on? allah?[/QUOTE] allah juice
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;20244858][img]http://www.salem-news.com/stimg/february052008/waterboard_ar.jpg[/img] Guantanamo needs to open back up just for this fucker. One less stupid fanatic to worry about and the closer we can get to giving these Afghans peace of mind without having a bunch of fanatics with guns with in their borders.[/QUOTE] You're a pretty bad person.
[QUOTE=Lankist;20257877]Sharia law isn't very keen on equal opportunity and free market. [editline]06:30PM[/editline] Nor is it kind on banking, fiscal and human rights.[/QUOTE] except capitalism doesn't necessarily entail any of those. capitalism is nothing more then a system where the means of production are privately owned and run for a profit. capitalism didn't necessarily entail rights (actually it really didn't at all), 'equal opportunity' (lol)', or anything similar 100 years ago, and neither does it now. al qaeda and the taliban are nationalists. they want a system similar to iran, state capitalism, where the private sector *is* the state, or the state safeguards the weak private sector against an incredibly powerful foreign private sector. islamic fundamentalist movements have as much to do with fighting neo-liberalism as they do with spreading traditionalism (which, frankly, is more or less tied into subjugating people under the anti-neo liberal state anyway).
[QUOTE=Conscript;20257093]is that a joke what do you think they run on? allah?[/QUOTE] They run on sand don't they?
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;20244858][img]http://www.salem-news.com/stimg/february052008/waterboard_ar.jpg[/img] Guantanamo needs to open back up just for this fucker. One less stupid fanatic to worry about and the closer we can get to giving these Afghans peace of mind without having a bunch of fanatics with guns with in their borders.[/QUOTE] don't worry they will find some other Guantanamo it's not like there was only one
Everyone who keeps saying, "oh yeah, it means nothing." You know, i think that the US military and government knows a little more about how important it is than you do. If it didn't mean anything they wouldn't do anything. They're not idiots.
[QUOTE=TheDKer;20258439]Everyone who keeps saying, "oh yeah, it means nothing." You know, i think that the US military and government knows a little more about how important it is than you do. If it didn't mean anything they wouldn't do anything. They're not idiots.[/QUOTE] :downs: unless they want to convince a growing anti-war sentiment that thinks we're getting nowhere that we're maybe getting somewhere.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20257928]Neither is the FDA. and human rights means nothing in capitalism, quiet the opposite. And They like to control people socially, not so much economically and besides, Al quieda is not anti-capitalist in anyway and being anti-capitalist is a good thing, the fuck are you on about?[/QUOTE] Sharia is a system of government. Capitalism is a system of non-government. Capitalism has its share of human rights violations but they aren't perpetrated by an oppressive theocracy. [editline]07:50PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Conscript;20258162]except capitalism doesn't necessarily entail any of those. [/QUOTE] Yes it does, from the purview of a government. FYI Sharia Law entails regulating business, banking, taxation and finances on a theocratic basis. That is to say they can do whatever the fuck they want as long as they say God told them to.
[QUOTE=Lankist;20259451] Yes it does, from the purview of a government.[/QUOTE] according to who? you? FYI capitalist governments have infringed on all of the characteristics you described at some point in history. your definition is subjective and is nothing more then what you think capitalism should be
[QUOTE=Lankist;20259451]Sharia is a system of government. Capitalism is a system of non-government. Capitalism has its share of human rights violations but they aren't perpetrated by an oppressive theocracy. [editline]07:50PM[/editline] Yes it does, from the purview of a government. FYI Sharia Law entails regulating business, banking, taxation and finances on a theocratic basis. That is to say they can do whatever the fuck they want as long as they say God told them to.[/QUOTE] It's a theocracy. How is that anti-capitalist you have yet to prove what you said [editline]01:58AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Conscript;20259579]according to who? you?[/QUOTE] Didn't you know? Lankist is a LAWYER he has ALL the answers.
[QUOTE=Conscript;20259579]according to who? you?[/QUOTE] Do you even know what capitalism is? It entails a fiscally shackled government, at least incapable of daily interference and at most incapable of any interference at all. Do you know what Sharia Law is? It is a system of GOVERNMENT in which theocratic principals rise above all else. The Taliban hates the West because our governments are shackled and secular, and because we do not allow God to hold weight in any legislative or financial discussion. Free Speech, Human Rights and Free Market are all aspects of this system of limited government. The Taliban is vehemently against ALL of those things, with the philosophy that so long as they put the word God next to an order, rights and limitations do not matter. They are basically Vatican City times two. Or 1.7 perhaps. Jesus Christ how can you possibly hate Capitalism and not understand the differences between the private and public sectors? I'm not saying the private sector is immune to abuse. I'm saying that in a Theocracy there IS no private sector, because the government can do literally ANYTHING as long as they say God told them to. There are no rights in a theocracy because rights and laws are below the Word of God, and given we all know God is a fictional construct, means His name is basically a blank check for unchecked power. [editline]08:00PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Trotsky;20259615]It's a theocracy. How is that anti-capitalist you have yet to prove what you said[/QUOTE] I've explained it three times. This isn't a scientific fucking discussion. These are what the words mean. I don't have to prove anything simply because you don't know what a goddamn theocracy is.
[QUOTE=Lankist;20259631]Do you even know what capitalism is? It entails a fiscally shackled government, at least incapable of daily interference and at most incapable of any interference at all.[/quote] I'm wondering if you do. Are you telling me theocratic governments aren't fiscally shackled? Are you telling me governments can't interfere in a market, or in peoples lives? I'm not interested in your libertarian idea of what capitalism should be, we're discussing what it actually is. [QUOTE=Lankist;20259631]Do you know what Sharia Law is? It is a system of GOVERNMENT in which theocratic principals rise above all else.[/quote] :rolleyes: except theocratic governments have to act within the same economic boundaries as western countries do. the state ideology is meaningless and is a mere reflection of the state of affairs of the country's economy. [QUOTE=Lankist;20259631]The Taliban hates the West because our governments are shackled and secular, and because we do not allow God to hold weight in any legislative or financial discussion. Free Speech, Human Rights and Free Market are all aspects of this system of limited government. The Taliban is vehemently against ALL of those things, with the philosophy that so long as they put the word God next to an order, rights and limitations do not matter. They are basically Vatican City times two. Or 1.7 perhaps.[/quote] The taliban don't give a fuck about how a country 4000 miles away runs itself. They don't like us because A. We're a global power that supports israel and western hegemony in the middle east B. We ousted them from power If islamic fundamentalists were as dogmatic as you say, they wouldn't have accepted aid against the soviets, they wouldn't allow trade between fundamentalist states, and they sure as hell wouldn't offer Osama bin laden over. [QUOTE=Lankist;20259631]Jesus Christ how can you possibly hate Capitalism and not understand the differences between the private and public sectors? [/QUOTE] this has nothing to do with what we're talking about. [QUOTE=Lankist;20259631]I'm not saying the private sector is immune to abuse. I'm saying that in a Theocracy there IS no private sector, because the government can do literally ANYTHING as long as they say God told them to. There are no rights in a theocracy because rights and laws are below the Word of God, and given we all know God is a fictional construct, means His name is basically a blank check for unchecked power.[/quote] Iran has a private sector. Saudi arabia has a private sector. You only refuse to believe it because the motto of the government isn't [i]freedom and democracy[/i] and isn't identical to the west. on another note, what about another statist, nationalist system like nazism and fascism? all the countries that practiced it had private sectors.
[quote]:rolleyes: except theocratic governments have to act within the same economic boundaries as western countries do. the state ideology is meaningless and is a mere reflection of the state of affairs of the country's economy.[/quote] Please define these "Economic Boundaries" EDIT: I deleted the rest because it's mostly you acting nonsensical and I want a goddamn definition instead of a dodge.
what an accomplishment /sarcasm
[QUOTE=Conscript;20259932]on another note, what about another statist, nationalist system like nazism and fascism? all the countries that practiced it had private sectors.[/QUOTE] Then you would have no troubles defining their "economic boundaries" See, I think you threw a vague-ass term out there with no real understanding of what the fuck you're talking about. So please, tell me what power fascist and theocratic governments don't have, and what stops them from taking it.
[QUOTE=Lankist;20259980]I'm telling you the polar opposite you illiterate git.[/quote] I'm not following at all. You're distinguishing between theocracy and capitalism because apparently capitalism entails governments that are 'fiscally shackled' and are 'incapable of interference', and theocracy does not. Feel free to clarify and make some sense. [QUOTE=Lankist;20259980]Please define these "Economic Boundaries"[/quote] Their economy works like anyone else's. They must accumulate capital. This means keeping their economy healthy and their markets profitable for investment. [QUOTE=Lankist;20259980]It's both. Are you drinking Draino again?[/quote] What are you talking about? Where did I said it was either A or B? [QUOTE=Lankist;20259980]I am talking about hypothetical, theocratic government based on what the Taliban are fighting for, not what they are right now.[/quote] your hypothetical, theocratic government has existed before, both under the taliban and not. [QUOTE=Lankist;20259980]Iran kills dissidents. Don't you dare imply they show restraint on a fiscal level.[/QUOTE] what the hell does fiscal restraint have to do with social repression? do you know what fiscal means?
No no no, stop it. I don't care about that shit. I want a clear and succinct explanation of internal economic boundaries.
Why does America seem to think that capturing officials makes any difference? It's not like he was the mothership and that killing him would make all the Talliban go home.
"LIKE EVERYONE ELSE" doesn't cut it, Jethro. I want you to clearly explain what keeps a heavy-handed fascist/theocratic government from seizing control of whatever would benefit its own interests. [editline]08:32PM[/editline] [QUOTE=MachiniOs;20260134]Why does America seem to think that capturing officials makes any difference? It's not like he was the mothership and that killing him would make all the Talliban go home.[/QUOTE] well no because the taliban are already home. [editline]08:39PM[/editline] For instance, the US government has not used the Draft in quite some time. That isn't to say we should not WORRY about the Draft. Because they can STILL use it. The same goes for theocratic governments on the subject of about goddamn everything. Just because you want to demonize capitalism doesn't mean you can pretend Nazi Germany had a legitimate private sector, especially when goddamn everything was state funded and state regulated. [editline]08:40PM[/editline] Lest I forget I'm talking to the idiot who got so stoned he said the Jews started WWII.
[QUOTE=Lankist;20259631] The Taliban hates the West because [B]our governments are shackled[/B] and secular, and[B] because we do not allow God to hold weight in any legislative or financial discussion. [/B]Free Speech, Human Rights and Free Market are all aspects of this system of limited government. [/QUOTE] 1: where the fuck are your getting that idea from? your ass? 2: GAY MARRIAGE IS LEGAL, RIGHT? Government may not affect human rights in the free market, but the market sure as hell does. it's probably worse off. [editline]02:48AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Lankist;20260144] Just because you want to demonize capitalism doesn't mean you can pretend Nazi Germany had a legitimate private sector, especially when goddamn everything was state funded and state regulated. [/QUOTE] Actually corporations had a strict hand in government. I was watching a film called the Goebbels experiment, and Goebbels wrote in his journal a long rant about disagreeing with Hitler's economic ideals to put such faith in the private sector. The private sector became a part of the public sector. [editline]02:53AM[/editline] I like how Lankist thinks that any restraint in capitalism, it's instantly anarchy communism what the fuck ever and is anti-capitalist. I find that hilarious. I was under the impression the Middle east hates the US for it's foreign policy, not because it's lack of the FDA OH WAIT AMERICA HAS AN FDA, HOW FUCKING BIZARRE
I didn't read that because I'm not going to debate with two of you. Mostly because rather than giving me a clear definition Conscript would dodge and reply to my rebuttals for you. That and I'm not entirely sure how the fuck you think the Food and Drug Administration plays into this.
Wow, lately our war on terror has been on overdrive, I swear to god we have making immense steps everyday all the sudden.
[QUOTE=Lankist;20260468]I didn't read that because I'm not going to debate with two of you. Mostly because rather than giving me a clear definition Conscript would dodge and reply to my rebuttals for you.[/QUOTE] lol, mate you're saying there is no religious leeway in American legislation, the private sector is not in anyway regulated, 9/11 was the result of that and any economic regulation is inherently evil and anti-capitalist and you think we're wrong are you purposely being dumb? [editline]02:58AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Derubermensch;20260512]Wow, lately our war on terror has been on overdrive, I swear to god we have making immense steps everyday all the sudden.[/QUOTE] not really?
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20260516]lol, mate you're saying there is no religious leeway in American legislation, the private sector is not in anyway regulated, 9/11 was the result of that and any economic regulation is inherently evil and anti-capitalist and you think we're wrong are you purposely being dumb?[/QUOTE] I told you, I'm not giving Conscript the opportunity to dodge. I'm trying to be honest and personable with you when I tell you precisely why I am not going to humor your end of the discussion anymore. If it makes you feel better: I forfeit to you and you win, or I will return to your end whenever Conscript actually defines what he's talking about rather than using incredibly vague terminology.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20260516]lol, mate you're saying there is no religious leeway in American legislation, the private sector is not in anyway regulated, 9/11 was the result of that and any economic regulation is inherently evil and anti-capitalist and you think we're wrong are you purposely being dumb? [editline]02:58AM[/editline] not really?[/QUOTE] Just gtfo . communism/socialism doesn't work and a blend of communism/socialism and capitalism is even worse. And if you have been watching the news you would know that ya, there has been progress. And no I don't watch fox news.
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