Top Taliban commander captured, U.S. official says
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[QUOTE=Derubermensch;20260571]Just gtfo . communism/socialism doesn't work and a blend of communism/socialism and capitalism is even worse.
And if you have been watching the news you would know that ya, there has been progress. And no I don't watch fox news.[/QUOTE]
Like Sweden or France or even- hey wait a second, it does work.
and how do you blend communism and socialism, I'm curious.
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[QUOTE=Lankist;20260561]I told you, I'm not giving Conscript the opportunity to dodge. I'm trying to be honest and personable with you when I tell you precisely why I am not going to humor your end of the discussion anymore.
If it makes you feel better: I forfeit to you and you win, or I will return to your end whenever Conscript actually defines what he's talking about rather than using incredibly vague terminology.[/QUOTE]
what are you even talking about?
[QUOTE=Lankist;20260125]No no no, stop it. I don't care about that shit.
I want a clear and succinct explanation of internal economic boundaries.[/QUOTE]
I gave you one. It's common sense to know a government can't just do whatever the fuck it wants, it needs to make money. That's the economic boundaries I was referring to.
It's economy is capitalist. It must make money by exploiting its own resources and labor. Something it cannot do very effectively if its markets are dominated by overwhelmingly huge foreign investors.
The native capitalists of the middle east flounder at the face of competition from foreign capital. They are denied the ability to exploit their own land's resources and labor, instead it is claimed by overwhelmingly wealthy foreign companies. The policies on neo-liberalism would enforce this, but the nationalists would toss that out and use the state to protect the interests of the native bourgeoisie.
Lesser developed countries are exploited by the more developed ones. Nationalism in the lesser developed world is a mere reaction to that.
[QUOTE=Lankist;20260144]"LIKE EVERYONE ELSE" doesn't cut it, Jethro. I want you to clearly explain what keeps a heavy-handed fascist/theocratic government from seizing control of whatever would benefit its own interests.[/quote]
'It's own interests' are the interests of native capital, expansion, which is hounded by foreign capital.
[QUOTE=Lankist;20260144]For instance, the US government has not used the Draft in quite some time.
That isn't to say we should not WORRY about the Draft. Because they can STILL use it. The same goes for theocratic governments on the subject of about goddamn everything.[/quote]
I have no idea what this has to do with anything.
[QUOTE=Lankist;20260144]Just because you want to demonize capitalism doesn't mean you can pretend Nazi Germany had a legitimate private sector, especially when goddamn everything was state funded and state regulated.[/quote]
Nazi germany supported corporate monopolies and protected them against foreign capital. Nazism was an inevitable reaction of the state to the deprived condition of german capital, which lost everything because of WW1.
[QUOTE=Lankist;20260144]Lest I forget I'm talking to the idiot who got so stoned he said the Jews started WWII.[/QUOTE]
are you still talking to me?
[QUOTE=Conscript;20260854]I gave you one. It's common sense to know a government can't just do whatever the fuck it wants, it needs to make money. That's the economic boundaries I was referring to.[/quote]
First of all, this is not a list of "Boundaries" that you referred to. I want that goddamn list.
Second, yes governments need money.
But Theocracies and Fascist states, guess the fuck what, they take the money. I'm not talking taxes, I'm talking fucking taking whatever the fuck they need. That's how those systems of government work. There is NOTHING stopping them.
[quote]It's economy is capitalist. It must make money by exploiting its own resources and labor. Something it cannot do very effectively if its markets are dominated by overwhelmingly huge foreign investors.[/quote]
By that logic Communism is impossible.
[quote]The native capitalists of the middle[/quote]
Again:
The Taliban?
Are you fucking serious?
Last I checked you can't buy stock in the fucking Taliban. They fucking kill people when they need money, they don't exchange goods and services. They raid villages like the fucking bandits of lore. They're like highly explosive fucking Border Reivers. They AIN'T fucking capitalists.
[quote]Lesser developed countries are exploited by the more developed ones. Nationalism in the lesser developed world is a mere reaction to that.[/QUOTE]
Still not a fucking list.
Motherfucker let me lay this out to you.
I want you to DEFINE these fucking "Economic Boundaries." I want you to fucking TELL ME what stops a theocratic state from TAKING money whenever it needs, and what stops them from killing anyone who gets in their way. Don't pull this bullshit like they're a goddamn free market, they aren't. They're a theocracy. The two are mutually fucking exclusive. Whenever you run a nation on a religious basis EVERYTHING is void. ANYTHING can be done if God says so. That's the whole fucking point.
Not to mention you're undermining your own goddamn philosophy.
[QUOTE=Lankist;20260935]I want you to fucking TELL ME what stops a theocratic state from TAKING money whenever it needs[/QUOTE]
Parliaments and other political organizations?
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20261095]Parliaments and other political organizations?[/QUOTE]
Theocracies don't have parliaments and other political organizations.
They are totalitarian states run by religious leaders.
Look at Vatican City, it is a Theocracy.
Do you see anything of any real measure between the Pope and the State?
Now imagine a Vatican City fifty times its size with no Italy in between, and a military at its disposal.
Theocracies enforce the Word of God as defined by religious leaders. If the Word of God suddenly entails fucking with private business, guess what: It happens. There's nothing to stop that. No counter-measures, no branched and balanced government. It just happens.
This is how Iran can get away with fixing elections and executing people who call bullshit. If you seriously think they can get away with THAT but there's something stopping them from violating whatever facade of a free market principal exists, you're sadly mistaken. Any shadow of legitimate government in a theocracy is false. It is a ploy to placate the masses, and it does NOT ensure capitalist OR communist principals.
The President of a Theocracy is God. And luckily for a select few, God speaks to them and they get to relay that word as law. This is what the Taliban want. They are not capitalists or communists, they are fanatics and zealots. A theocracy is thinly veiled fascism and totalitarianism.
[QUOTE=Lankist;20260935]First of all, this is not a list of "Boundaries" that you referred to. I want that goddamn list.[/quote]
Its boundaries all fall under one thing: protecting the interests of capital. I don't need to give you a list of boundaries if you have any fucking clue how a capitalist economy runs and why it runs the way it does.
[QUOTE=Lankist;20260935]But Theocracies and Fascist states, guess the fuck what, they take the money. I'm not talking taxes, I'm talking fucking taking whatever the fuck they need. That's how those systems of government work. There is NOTHING stopping them.[/quote]
Theocracies and fascist states don't pop out of nowhere, they don't do things for no reason. They take money, yes, and then use it to build the state.
The extreme methods of these two systems is reflective of the extreme conditions they are born out of.
[QUOTE=Lankist;20260935]By that logic Communism is impossible.[/quote]
Except communism doesn't have markets to be dominated nor labor to be freely exploited. It doesn't need them. Capitalism does.
[QUOTE=Lankist;20260935]Last I checked you can't buy stock in the fucking Taliban.[/quote]
I never said the taliban are a bunch of capitalists. There certainly are capitalists in them, and they certainly are supported by them.
Even if the taliban are a bunch of capitalists, the fact that you can't buy stock in them doesn't prove they aren't anyway. Stupid argument.
[QUOTE=Lankist;20260935]They fucking kill people when they need money, they don't exchange goods and services. They raid villages like the fucking bandits of lore. They're like highly explosive fucking Border Reivers. They AIN'T fucking capitalists.[/quote]
Again I never said they were a bunch of capitalists. Regardless their methods are, again, a reflection of the poor conditions they are faced against in building an anti-western state.
[QUOTE=Lankist;20260935]Still not a fucking list.
Motherfucker let me lay this out to you.
I want you to DEFINE these fucking "Economic Boundaries." I want you to fucking TELL ME what stops a theocratic state from TAKING money whenever it needs, and what stops them from killing anyone who gets in their way. Don't pull this bullshit like they're a goddamn free market, they aren't. They're a theocracy. The two are mutually fucking exclusive.
Not to mention you're undermining your own goddamn philosophy.[/QUOTE]
One, a theocracy and a free market are not mutually exclusive. Look at pre-revolution russia, which was absolutely dominated by the orthodox church.
Two, you're taking what I meant by economic boundaries wrong. When I said economic boundaries, I wasn't referring to some metaphysical barrier that stopped them from taking money whenever they want. When I said economic boundaries, I meant they work within the boundaries of capital (i.e. HOW A CAPITALIST ECONOMY MUST WORK).
Let me lay this out simple for you. Foreign capitalists do not work for a foreign country, they work for their native country. Native capitalists work for the native country, in contrast to the interests of foreign capital.
Foreign capital would like to pay laborers dirt shit and like to have free access to all that nation's resources. Native capitalists would like to do that too, but in the case of the middle east, native capital is incredibly weak and foreign capital is incredibly strong, and native capital is pushed out of the picture due to competition. The end result is, you have companies from other countries dominating your economy.
This is the base for all anti-western struggle in the middle east. Islamic fundamentalism would have never rose to prominence if this contradiction of interests didn't exist.
Do you get the damn picture now?
anyway, [i]now[/i] I'm going to bed. I'll reply to your response tomorrow.
[QUOTE=Conscript;20261182]Its boundaries all fall under one thing: protecting the interests of capital. I don't need to give you a list of boundaries if you have any fucking clue how a capitalist economy runs and why it runs the way it does.[/quote]
You realize Capitalism =/= money right?
[quote]Theocracies and fascist states don't pop out of nowhere, they don't do things for no reason. They take money, yes, and then use it to build the state.
The extreme methods of these two systems is reflective of the extreme conditions they are born out of.[/quote]
Capitalism is the exchange of goods and services. TAKING SHIT by force is NOT Capitalism.
[quote]Except communism doesn't have markets to be dominated nor labor to be freely exploited. It doesn't need them. Capitalism does.[/quote]
Uhh, Communism doesn't have an economy, labor force or geopolitical relationships? What are you on?
Oh right you're the idiot that thinks Hunter-Gatherer society is a good example of Communism.
[quote]Two, you're taking what I meant by economic boundaries wrong. When I said economic boundaries, I wasn't referring to some metaphysical barrier that stopped them from taking money whenever they want. When I said economic boundaries, I meant they work within the boundaries of capital (i.e. HOW A CAPITALIST ECONOMY MUST WORK).[/quote]
Uhh, no. Getting money =/= capitalism.
If you fund your regime through theft, fear tactics, extortion and murder it is not capitalism.
I still want you to fucking define "economic boundaries" in a way that makes fucking sense.
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I cut shit out that I didn't give a fuck about because you're repeating yourself and going wildly off focus.
[QUOTE=Lankist;20261115]
The President of a Theocracy is God. And luckily for a select few, God speaks to them and they get to relay that word as law. This is what the Taliban want. They are not capitalists or communists, they are fanatics and zealots. A theocracy is thinly veiled fascism and totalitarianism.[/QUOTE]
Then what is this fucking bullshit about how al Queida is anti-capitalist?
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capital - capitalism. Do you not see this?
uh
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20261408]Then what is this fucking bullshit about how al Queida is anti-capitalist?[/QUOTE]
The TALIBAN (the group we are talking about) are a vehemently anti-west organization that promotes theocracy.
1. Capitalism is a Western ideology, one of many that they denounce.
2. Theocracy defies any sort of legitimate system of rights.
3. They say they're against Capitalism all of the time.
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[QUOTE=Trotsky;20261408]Then what is this fucking bullshit about how al Queida is anti-capitalist?
[editline]03:57AM[/editline]
capital - capitalism. Do you not see this?
uh[/QUOTE]
Capital = profits.
Capitalism = an economic system based upon an exchange of goods and services for profits.
Simply making profit from something does not entail capitalism. You can make a profit by murdering and extorting people, but that explicitly defies capitalism as an economic system of mutual trade.
Additionally:
Theism = Belief in God(s)
Theocracy = A system of government centered around spiritual leaders.
Having a culture steeped in theism does not necessitate theocracy. A demographic can believe in a God(s), but that does not mean that their government bows to religious leaders and populism.
[QUOTE=Lankist;20261441]The TALIBAN (the group we are talking about) are a vehemently anti-west organization that promotes theocracy.[/quote]
Iran is capitalist. It's not a western country.
[quote]1. Capitalism is a Western ideology, one of many that they denounce.[/quote]
never heard them denounce it. They may denounce the American market, but that's an anti-American/west thing. And UK is not really hardcore capitalist, neither is a lot of the west. Especially France, they're socialist. so al quieda is anti-socialist? that would make more sense, seeing as they... uh
are
[quote]2. Theocracy defies any sort of legitimate system of rights.[/quote]
so does Capitalism...
[quote]3. They say they're against Capitalism all of the time.[/QUOTE]
source, never heard that in my life
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[QUOTE=Lankist;20261441]
Having a culture steeped in theism does not necessitate theocracy. A demographic can believe in a God(s), but that does not mean that their government bows to religious leaders and populism.[/QUOTE]
well... What does that make bush?
That man let religious leaders trample over him
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20261543]Iran is capitalist. It's not a western country.[/quote]
yeah and Iran is a democracy too!
oh wait
[editline]10:07PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20261543]well... What does that make bush?
That man let religious leaders trample over him[/QUOTE]
That makes him the president who paved the way to a majority congress and senate.
[QUOTE=Lankist;20261561]yeah and Iran is a democracy too!
oh wait[/QUOTE]
Just because some asshole rigged the elections, doesn't mean it was never and still isn't a democracy.
[editline]04:09AM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Lankist;20261561]
That makes him the president who paved the way to a majority congress and senate.[/QUOTE]
of uber religious freaks who let the church trample them
The US isn't really look all that good now that you mention it.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20261600]Just because some asshole rigged the elections, doesn't mean it was never and still isn't a democracy.[/quote]
Uhh yes it does.
If the Ayatollah (religious leader in this theocracy) can manage to rig elections, guess what. It ain't a democracy. It's a totalitarian theocracy.
[quote]oh uber religious freaks who let the church trample them
The US isn't really look all that good now that you mention it.[/QUOTE]
What country are you living in?
You do realize that the Republicans are weaker than they have been for decades right now?
[QUOTE=Lankist;20261644]Uhh yes it does.
If the Ayatollah (religious leader in this theocracy) can manage to rig elections, guess what. It ain't a democracy. It's a totalitarian theocracy.[/quote]
SO therefore it was never a democracy? how the fuck does that make an OUNCE of sense?
The 01 elections in the US were rigged, so America is a totalitarian theocracy?
[quote]What country are you living in?
You do realize that the Republicans are weaker than they have been for decades right now?[/QUOTE]
uh, ok? and?
guys, this is a discussion about a top taliban commander being caught.
but while we're on this subject
I had a better time running a theocratic empire rather than a free/capital empire in Civilization IV.
therefore, theocracy rules all.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20261804]The 01 elections in the US were rigged, so America is a totalitarian theocracy?[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, what?
We didn't HAVE elections in 01.
[QUOTE=Mudbone;20244599][img]http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2008/6/16/633492346461806528-no-one-cares.jpg[/img]
This entire war on terror is a big fucking joke.[/QUOTE]
Because letting terrorists attack us and not doing anything to stop them is a good idea.
[QUOTE=Lankist;20268188]I'm sorry, what?
We didn't HAVE elections in 01.[/QUOTE]
00', my mistake. you know what I mean.
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[QUOTE=David29;20268365]Because letting terrorists attack us and not doing anything to stop them is a good idea.[/QUOTE]
Terrorists attacked us!
what do we do? INVADE ANOTHER COUNTRY! i mean, it had nothing to do with anything.
[QUOTE=lulzbocks;20244932]Um, I realize that they aren't a structured force, just a bunch of guerrillas, but the capture of their commander is a big deal. They lose leadership.[/QUOTE]
Actually all it will do is start a power struggle between those lower than him willing to take his place to orchestrate another attack.
They aren't structured, they're easily adaptable and that's what will let them turn this to thier favour.
Even if they do break down, they'll split into splintered groups and still fight.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20270320]00', my mistake. you know what I mean.[/QUOTE]
Okay, moving on the the stupid:
And you think they were rigged because-?
[QUOTE=Lankist;20270432]Okay, moving on the the stupid:
And you think they were rigged because-?[/QUOTE]
First of all the popular vote was in his favour, second of all the small town voters in Florida were taken off the rolls, not to mention numerous other problems. Most of them minorities.
And Jeb Bush just so happened to be the governor.
I didn't mean HEY SPEW NONSENSE AT ME.
I meant actually showing me something that indicated it was rigged.
[editline]02:46PM[/editline]
And I ask you again, in what country do you reside?
Given you seem to think governors have the ability to even see election results I'd like to know.
If it isn't someone we've heard of before, it doesn't matter.
[QUOTE=Lankist;20271210]I didn't mean HEY SPEW NONSENSE AT ME.
I meant actually showing me something that indicated it was rigged[/quote]
The irony of you asking for a source is pretty funny
[quote]And I ask you again, in what country do you reside?[/quote]
What does this have to do with anything?
[quote]Given you seem to think governors have the ability to even see election results I'd like to know.[/QUOTE]
I implied this?
[editline]08:54PM[/editline]
"hay guys, al quieda hates capitalism"
source?
"I'M NOT TELLING YOU"
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20271309]
"hay guys, al quieda hates capitalism"
source?
"I'M NOT TELLING YOU"[/QUOTE]
He really shouldn't need a source as it's pretty common knowledge that Al Qaeda denounces everything American including our government and economy.
But here:
[release][url=http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-09-06-bin-laden-video_N.htm]In the video, a short excerpt of which was broadcast to the Arab world by Al-Jazeera television, bin Laden attacked capitalism, multinational corporations and globalization.[/url][/release]
[release][url=http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=28069]Bin Laden assails capitalism in a tone that was certainly intended to appeal to the anti-capitalist bent among the American anti-war adherents. A phrase used liberally throughout the speech was “major corporations” and reference to these corporations' grip on power and wont for war and resultant profit.[/url][/release]
Not Al Qaeda but still Islamic: [url]http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/1499[/url]
By the way learn to spell Al Qaeda because it really is making you come off as unintellectual. And you can also stop acting like a baby.
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[QUOTE=Trotsky;20271172]First of all the popular vote was in his favour, second of all the small town voters in Florida were taken off the rolls, not to mention numerous other problems. Most of them minorities.
And Jeb Bush just so happened to be the governor.[/QUOTE]
It wasn't rigged. There was a vote counting error, and they wouldn't give a recount.
By the way, the popular vote means absolutely nothing because the electoral college is what actually counts.
And I don't mean to imply that the popular vote isn't important, but that's not what gets you elected.
[editline]05:22PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Lankist;20271210]
And I ask you again, in what country do you reside?
Given you seem to think governors have the ability to even see election results I'd like to know.[/QUOTE]
Ireland. His xfire says he's in Dublin but his other stuff just says Ireland.
Which is actually pretty comical. An Irish wannabe Russian, whose Xfire page lists his name as "Vladimir Makarov". I highly doubt you're 18, but I won't steep to personal insults. The facts are funny enough.
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[QUOTE=Ohforf;20270952]I wonder, could this mean that when they break this guy, all of this could end?[/QUOTE]
Not in a long shot.
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[QUOTE=Trotsky;20270320]
Terrorists attacked us!
what do we do? INVADE ANOTHER COUNTRY! i mean, it had nothing to do with anything.[/QUOTE]
Why are you saying WE? You're implying that you're American and saying all these things like you live in America but you don't.
[editline]05:32PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20261804]SO therefore it was never a democracy? how the fuck does that make an OUNCE of sense?
The 01 elections in the US were rigged, so America is a totalitarian theocracy?
[/QUOTE]
If elections can be easily changed by the leader of the country, then no, it isn't a fucking democracy.
Just because Mexico had elections pre-1910 doesn't mean that they were a democracy. Every time they were rigged by their leader Diaz. Maybe that's why it it's labeled as a Dictatorship and Diaz was labeled as a Dictator.
And besides the "elections were rigged" part of yours, no, America is obviously NOT a totalitarian theocracy - seeing as we have elections, separated church and state, and don't have one ruler with all the power. You aren't really good at this debating thing.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20271309]What does this have to do with anything?[/QUOTE]
You clearly have no idea how our government works, so I'm curious what backwater country raised someone so inept at understanding and so lacking in even the most basic courtesy that he would ramble about nonsense and basically insult an entire system he has made no concerted effort to understand.
[QUOTE=synth;20274055]He really shouldn't need a source as it's pretty common knowledge that Al Qaeda denounces everything American including our government and economy.[/quote]
American's brush their teeth, does Al Qeada denounce that?
[quote][release][url=http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-09-06-bin-laden-video_N.htm]In the video, a short excerpt of which was broadcast to the Arab world by Al-Jazeera television, bin Laden attacked capitalism, multinational corporations and globalization.[/url][/release][/quote]
I haven't seen the video transcript, so it could just be taken out of proportion, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. As I stated before, it's probably a regional thing. They hate the US, and corporations are the very heart of America and its politics.
[quote][release][url=http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=28069]Bin Laden assails capitalism in a tone that was certainly intended to appeal to the anti-capitalist bent among the American anti-war adherents. A phrase used liberally throughout the speech was “major corporations” and reference to these corporations' grip on power and wont for war and resultant profit.[/url][/release][/quote]
This article is extremely opinionated and from a anti-muslim/right wing website. Terrible source.
[quote]Not Al Qaeda but still Islamic: [url]http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/1499[/url][/quote]
this is useless then. There is such thing as Islamic Socialism. So what's your point?
[quote]By the way learn to spell Al Qaeda because it really is making you come off as unintellectual.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
he spelled a WORD wrong
GOD DAMN YOU TO HELL
[quote]And you can also stop acting like a baby.[/quote]
i r syth, i r cool poster
:smug:
[quote]It wasn't rigged. There was a vote counting error, and [B]they wouldn't give a recount.[/B][/quote]
There's your problem. And it was a pretty fucking huge counting error then.
That's true... but this may also have something to do with it
[url]http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/06/08/politics/main295656.shtml[/url]
[url]http://www.impeachbush.tv/el2000/gore_exception.html[/url]
[url]http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/03/11/palmbeach.recount/index.html[/url]
just saying
[quote]By the way, the popular vote means absolutely nothing because the electoral college is what actually counts.
And I don't mean to imply that the popular vote isn't important, but that's not what gets you elected.[/quote]
Alright, didn't imply that but hey, makes your post look larger.
[quote]An Irish wannabe Russian, whose Xfire page lists his name as "Vladimir Makarov". I highly doubt you're 18, but I won't steep to personal insults. The facts are funny enough.[/quote]
I won't use personal attacks, oh hey, watch me use stupid personal attacks. You're a fucking hypocrite
[quote]Why are you saying WE? You're implying that you're American and saying all these things like you live in America but you don't.[/quote]
I'm not American Where have I implied it?
and the "we" part is a reflex.
[quote]And besides the "elections were rigged" part of yours, no, America is obviously NOT a totalitarian theocracy - seeing as we have elections,[/quote]
Again, the 00' and 04' elections are debatable. I never actually said the US was a totalitarian theocracy, I was trying to make a point with Lankist's superficial attitude towards this. This point is pretty fucking useless.
[quote]separated church and state[/quote]
The line has been blurred so much, it's almost dead. Church/state separation isn't exactly a strong element in the US
[quote]You aren't really good at this debating thing.[/QUOTE]
tee hee, he thinks he won by starting. That's pretty cute.
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[QUOTE=Lankist;20275219]You clearly have no idea how our government works, so I'm curious what backwater country raised someone so inept at understanding and so lacking in even the most basic courtesy that he would ramble about nonsense and basically insult an entire system he has made no concerted effort to understand.[/QUOTE]
Just make blind statements
that's cool too
[editline]12:02AM[/editline]
don't explain anything
[editline]12:02AM[/editline]
that works
You implied fuckin Jeb Bush rigged the Florida election results.
And you're saying I'M not explaining things?
[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;20245284]There is no winning here. They fight for an idea, not some political figure, and don't care if they die for it.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Trotsky;20275262]American's brush their teeth, does Al Qeada denounce that?
[/quote]
Yeah they also denounce eating and breathing because Americans do that. They also denounce denouncing because Americans can denounce things.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20275262]
I haven't seen the video transcript, so it could just be taken out of proportion, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. As I stated before, it's probably a regional thing. They hate the US, and corporations are the very heart of America and its politics.
[/quote]
So you agree that Al Qaeda doesn't like capitalism? What are you arguing about then?
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20275262]
This article is extremely opinionated and from a anti-muslim/right wing website. Terrible source.
[/quote]
Okay. Retract that article then, one source is good enough. It shouldn't have needed a source in the first place.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20275262]
this is useless then. There is such thing as Islamic Socialism. So what's your point?
[/quote]
My point is that radical Islamics who dislike America (as in Al Qaeda) also dislike American ideals such as capitalism. You can ignore that source too if you really want to, but I do believe it supports what I'm trying to say if not directly.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20275262]
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
he spelled a WORD wrong
GOD DAMN YOU TO HELL
[/quote]
Yes, you spelled a word wrong, which when you're arguing about a subject and claiming to be knowledgeable about that subject - but cannot spell that subject correctly multiple times - makes you seem less smart.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20275262]
i r syth, i r cool poster
:smug:
[/quote]
Okay. You aren't helping yourself out at all by doing this by the way.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20275262]
There's your problem. And it was a pretty fucking huge counting error then.
That's true... but this may also have something to do with it
[url]http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/06/08/politics/main295656.shtml[/url]
[url]http://www.impeachbush.tv/el2000/gore_exception.html[/url]
[url]http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/03/11/palmbeach.recount/index.html[/url]
just saying
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Source 1 is interesting but doesn't really prove anything. Source 2 is by impeachbush.tv and is really hard to comprehend. Source 3 shows that voters are idiots and easily confused, which is common knowledge. Thanks for supporting me in saying that there were counting and voting errors and not a "rigged election".
I'm done with this topic pretty much, it's taking too much effort from the actual topic.
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Alright, didn't imply that but hey, makes your post look larger.
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I could give a shit how large my post is, I was just replying to your post.
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I won't use personal attacks, oh hey, watch me use stupid personal attacks. You're a fucking hypocrite
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I didn't use personal attacks. I stated facts and said that I found them funny.
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I'm not American Where have I implied it?
and the "we" part is a reflex.
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Well you implied it with the word "we".
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Again, the 00' and 04' elections are debatable. I never actually said the US was a totalitarian theocracy, I was trying to make a point with Lankist's superficial attitude towards this. This point is pretty fucking useless.
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It's not a superficial attitude - if your country has no chance of electing an opponent then it's going to be a dictatorship/autocratic form of government. You're the one who is turning it into something superficial by saying if elections were screwed up anywhere it's going to be a theocracy. I know you were being sarcastic but yeah.
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The line has been blurred so much, it's almost dead. Church/state separation isn't exactly a strong element in the US
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Irrelevant because it still exists and it is still much stronger than some other places in the world. IE: Arabic countries with theocracies.
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