• Vegetarians are less healthy and have a lower quality of life than meat-eaters, scientists say
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[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;44472004]Eggs and nuts also have a lot of fat, say you eat around 50-60 grams a day, assuming you barely exercise, that's for a sedentary person alone. If someone lifts regularly, they're going to need a lot more than that. A serving size of almonds typically has 6-7 grams of protein, nearly 200 calories, and 15-18 grams of fat. Eggs have 50-80 calories, 6-8 grams of protein, and 5-6 grams of fat. Those are hardly substitutes for meat, especially if someone is losing fat, but wants to maintain as much muscle mass and strength possible. That requires a high protein diet/relatively low fat diet. You could end up ingesting hundreds of grams of fat almost every day just to meat your protein requirements, and that isn't healthy at all.[/QUOTE] Tofu and the soya bean, which are the most typical and heavily adopted source of protein for vegetarians are good enough sources of protein. If you feel you need more, get some protein powder in either soy or whey form.
[QUOTE=AtomicSans;44469423][IMG]http://puu.sh/7YiMa.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://puu.sh/7YiNR.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://puu.sh/7YiPo.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://puu.sh/7YiRb.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://puu.sh/7YiSq.png[/IMG] "Emotional pollution" I'm dying[/QUOTE] "human body is made for vegetarianism" yeah lol sharp teeth are for chewing through salad better dont you know??? people who are into vegetarianism for bs philosophical reasons and nothing actually health-related are mad deluded
[QUOTE=ichiman94;44469327]Meat is love, meat is life.[/QUOTE] litterally because your heart is made of muscles!
[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;44470707]this might be the dumbest shit I've read all week we've been eating meat long before any "society." unless you don't want to have everything your body needs get the fuck over it. if you want to be a little unhealthy then go for it how do people not understand the most basic concept ever? remember in elementary school when you learned that humans were something called "omnivores??"[/QUOTE] I learnt about omnivores at primary school. I didn't learn that most, if not all benefits gained from eating meat could be gained from eating legumes, green leafy vegetables, bulbs, nuts and grains. Maybe it means that there's more to nutrition than what is taught to 10 year olds.
[QUOTE=godfatherk;44471505]If you're worried about your health just eat like humans have for most of history i.e. mixed foods cooked in a variety of ways(smoked,bbq,boiled,salted,dried) from different species of animals and plants. follow your instinct and crave above all, don't exagerate and cut on sugary stuff;unless it's honey. i really wish there were more produce sweetened with honey. I love drinking milk with honey. Honey icecream would rock, I should try that combo soon. Btw are there any fast food chain restaurants in the US focused predominantly on mixing up a bunch of non-meat stuff( with just a little meat thrown in)? Most of the food chains are focused on the meat part in a meal. First thing that comes in mind would be burgers and fried chicken.[/QUOTE] aren't cravings a signal that you're running low on some thing contained in the food you crave? [editline]6th April 2014[/editline] I eat meat because it tastes good and cows and chickens don't think in any way comparable to the way we think.
[QUOTE=W key broke;44473036]aren't cravings a signal that you're running low on some thing contained in the food you crave? [editline]6th April 2014[/editline] I eat meat because it tastes good and cows and chickens don't think in any way comparable to the way we think.[/QUOTE] with the right spices and preparation, I assure you, you're delicious. and you don't think in any way comparable to stephen hawking. so, just so we're clear, you would be fine with it if he had you speared and ate you, correct?
My whole life I never knew eggs were vegetables. I learn something new every day on facepunch.
I stuck to a vegetarian diet for about a year and personally felt much better when I came back to eat meat in small portions (I never was a big fan of it, but I do eat it in small quantities). I suspect that part of it was that my vegetarian diet was flawed and could've been much better, despite that I did try to get all the vitamins and minerals you'd usually be getting from meat, in other forms. Ultimately it seems that many people choose vegetarian diet and they are ignorant to the fact that they do need to get all the nutrients they're losing from a different source, which is why many of them seem to feel worse than they used to.
[QUOTE=Bruhmis;44473099]with the right spices and preparation, I assure you, you're delicious. and you don't think in any way comparable to stephen hawking. so, just so we're clear, you would be fine with it if he had you speared and ate you, correct?[/QUOTE] of course I am. Attach electrodes to our frontal cortices, measure our conscious thought. Does a worm think? well it has neurons that detect situations and the appropriate responses, but it doesn't have conscious thought. A cow's brain is bigger, but the part of the brain associated with abstract thinking is still absent. It'd be closer to comparing me to the guy who had the front of his brain blown out with a steel pipe: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phineas_Gage[/url] If your reply wasn't stupid, you'd have said something about dolphins and whether or not I am okay with eating creatures that are probably the closest in intelligence of any other species to humans. Of course I am not okay with that. I don't understand why the fact that we can think and experience suffering made us think that animals could experience the same feelings as us.
[QUOTE=Zatar963;44469544]I think it's funny how, almost every other time, Facepunch will criticize a study if it doesn't follow proper scientific method. Yet when it aligns with their views, they completely ignore any flaws and say "See? Hah, I told you so!" [/QUOTE] I don't see a real problem with this, there are other 'groups' that hold the exact opposite opinion as most of FP, each group picking apart each scientific study isn't a BAD thing. More people being more skeptical is always good, you should challenge studies that are not yet corroborated by many more.
[QUOTE=Rubs10;44469610]Just gonna post this quote from the paper: and from a user:[/QUOTE] I love how killuah quoted a bunch of stuff and acted like they were saying something that they clearly weren't, just to discredit them. If you're gonna quote parts of the study, why not quote that part that makes everything you've said completely irrelevant as well killuah?
I think the problem here is most people who are vegetarian simply don't know how to get the iron and protein into their diet, not that eating meat is healthier.
[QUOTE=W key broke;44473200]of course I am. Attach electrodes to our frontal cortices, measure our conscious thought. Does a worm think? well it has neurons that detect situations and the appropriate responses, but it doesn't have conscious thought. A cow's brain is bigger, but the part of the brain associated with abstract thinking is still absent. It'd be closer to comparing me to the guy who had the front of his brain blown out with a steel pipe: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phineas_Gage[/url] If your reply wasn't stupid, you'd have said something about dolphins and whether or not I am okay with eating creatures that are probably the closest in intelligence of any other species to humans. Of course I am not okay with that. I don't understand why the fact that we can think and experience suffering made us think that animals could experience the same feelings as us.[/QUOTE] you know, somehow I doubt that if you came upon a litter of puppies being stomped to death, you'd continue on your way assuring yourself ''it's okay, they don't have abstract thought." I also doubt you'd have any problems eating dolphins if there wasn't a predetermined stigma against it already. even when presented with the fact that they're highly intelligent creatures, you would still just rationalize your decisions. if I wasn't so sure of that, I might be confused as to how you managed to decide on a moral qualm with eating a species that doesn't have any abstract thought, which according to you is your deciding factor on who does/doesn't deserve to live.
I only care about vegetarians/vegans who try to shove their ideology down my throat. (actually, this goes for everything) Thankfully, that rarely happens. Also to the people who are saying they eat primarily veggies and small portions of meat every now and then, congrats! You're a proper human omnivore. That's exactly how a human's diet should be, so I've heard across many a study (that didn't have weird testing methods like the article's study).
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;44469810]dodgy study, bad conclusion, typical bad facepunch reaction most vegetarians aren't vegetarians because "suck it i am healthier than you". sure if you bug them with questions they might give that as a reason, and they might be wrong, but who the fuck cares most people are vegetarian because they like animals and don't like most farming methods that all but the most expensive products use. might they be less healthy for forsaking meat? maybe a little bit. enough to seriously impact them in modern western society? no of course not. so stop caring so much about what other people do with their bodies. too much of facepunch has this "holier [cleverer] than thou" attitude and treats vegetarianism like they treat religion, or anything even remotely related to being a hippy or a 'hipster' with this "you're an idiot if you do something without scientific evidence" idea being vegetarian makes some people happy and makes them feel good about themselves because they have a world view that most facepunchers don't have. is that world view illogical? i dunno maybe but who fucking cares really[/QUOTE] No true vegetarian+calling the people who disagree with you a hivemind?
[QUOTE=SuperDuperScoot;44473939]I only care about vegetarians/vegans who try to shove their ideology down my throat. (actually, this goes for everything) Thankfully, that rarely happens. Also to the people who are saying they eat primarily veggies and small portions of meat every now and then, congrats! You're a proper human omnivore. That's exactly how a human's diet should be, so I've heard across many a study (that didn't have weird testing methods like the article's study).[/QUOTE] Deep-fried bacon-stuffed oreos aren't part of a healthy diet? They really ought to make nutrition classes mandatory in U.S. schools.
[QUOTE=ss1234;44469294]I was a vegetarian for the first 18 years of my life and I can confirm this. It has been nothing but awesome ever since I stopped. -it's not as awkward socially anymore when you order food. People always would ask why I ordered a vegetarian item -the quality of energy that I have now is way superior, and I'm not as lethargic as before -convenience because not every place is going to have vegetarian options basically when I stopped caring, the world felt so much less strict. I could comfortably sit in any restaurant without the worry of wondering what I was going to eat.[/QUOTE] Having been vegetarian for the last 5 years of my life I can safely say that none of these things, except very occasionally the third, is actually a problem I've ever faced. As far as health goes, it's pretty obvious that you have to take extra effort to be healthy in a vegetarian diet. I won't deny that you can suffer from some problems and deficiencies from it. I was just telling a coworker how it's honestly not much more healthy for you, depending on your diet. But it's quite possible to have a healthy vegan or vegetarian diet without ill effects, not that it matters to many vegetarians who are so because of moral, not health, reasons.
[QUOTE=outlawpickle;44474033]Deep-fried bacon-stuffed oreos aren't part of a healthy diet? They really ought to make nutrition classes mandatory in U.S. schools.[/QUOTE] people here are so misconceived about food its amazing. somehow people have gotten it into their heads that eating animal fat makes you fat and that you should be stuffing yourself with cereal every morning. processed grain (on top of the shit meat and everything else they serve at chain restraunts) is literally poison to humans and it's no wonder there are so many fat people here
[QUOTE=Starship;44471691]Being vegan/vegetarian doesn't mean you have to be super skinny. I know a lot of vegans/vegetarians who are nowhere near being dangerously skinny. You can have a perfectly normal build while having a vegan diet.[/QUOTE] And you can be fat like me. I mean if your vegetarian diet is a bunch of grains and pastas and sugary fatty foods.
[QUOTE=EvacX;44469393]I'm currently a vegetarian and have been so for the past 17 and a half years of my life and I can relate to all this :v:[/QUOTE] Why are you a vegetarian? You too ss1234? I'm just curious, it sounds like your parents raised you that way and you didn't have much of a choice, but if you did get a say what are your reasons for doing so?
[QUOTE=Zatar963;44469544]I think it's funny how, almost every other time, Facepunch will criticize a study if it doesn't follow proper scientific method. Yet when it aligns with their views, they completely ignore any flaws and say "See? Hah, I told you so!" [B]Edit:[/B] And before anyone says "It's almost as if Facepunch is a group of different people and not a single entity," that's bullshit. The ratings system on this site actively encourages a single viewpoint and shows that the majority of people here share extremely similar views.[/QUOTE] Honestly I sometimes see completely different ratings on the same video/headline when it's posted in different sections.
[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;44470707]this might be the dumbest shit I've read all week we've been eating meat long before any "society." unless you don't want to have everything your body needs get the fuck over it. if you want to be a little unhealthy then go for it how do people not understand the most basic concept ever? remember in elementary school when you learned that humans were something called "omnivores??"[/QUOTE] Except in the western countries issues related to over the top meat consumptions are quite common.(gout for example) The point is that many people go vegetarian as a reaction to the massively overblown meat industry and many doctors and pretty much everyone above 40 still thinks that you somehow need a lot of meat for nutrition.
[QUOTE=Killuah;44475963]Except in the western countries issues related to over the top meat consumptions are quite common.(gout for example)[/QUOTE] People would be eating less meat if it weren't encouraged so much by the government because of all of the corruption.
[QUOTE=Bruhmis;44473099]with the right spices and preparation, I assure you, you're delicious. and you don't think in any [B]way comparable to stephen hawking. so, just so we're clear, you would be fine with it if he had you speared and ate you, correct?[/B][/QUOTE] People taste like pork so of course a person would be delicious. What's bolded is not even a related comparison nor a good one.
[QUOTE=frozensoda;44473533]I love how killuah quoted a bunch of stuff and acted like they were saying something that they clearly weren't, just to discredit them. If you're gonna quote parts of the study, why not quote that part that makes everything you've said completely irrelevant as well killuah?[/QUOTE] Because I was not hinting at the obvious boring missinterpretations we were bound to see in this thread anyway but rather at their scientific methods.
Can someone link the study please, I can't find it ...
I like to eat meat too and I invented a very nice sauce which I put on Hamburgers, it is very delicious!!!
[QUOTE=Bruhmis;44472151]sgt doom probably wants to eat babies though[/QUOTE]If i'd known you'd be this butthurt about it, I wouldn't have made the joke in the first place :c
[QUOTE=AtomicSans;44469423][IMG]http://puu.sh/7YiMa.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://puu.sh/7YiNR.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://puu.sh/7YiPo.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://puu.sh/7YiRb.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://puu.sh/7YiSq.png[/IMG] "Emotional pollution" I'm dying[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFCAcQxmYDI[/media] I'll just throw this in here (yes i know veganism and vegetarianism are different, but they're related)
I'm a meat eater myself but the study doesn't seem to mention anything about veganism Seem like Veganism is the new thing, most vegans say that vegetarians are hypocrites They should make a study that test this against a vegan diet
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