• Vegetarians are less healthy and have a lower quality of life than meat-eaters, scientists say
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[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44476387]I'm a meat eater myself but the study doesn't seem to mention anything about veganism Seem like Veganism is the new thing, most vegans say that vegetarians are hypocrites They should make a study that test this against a vegan diet[/QUOTE]It's likely vegans were included in the purely vegetarian diet bracket. In any case, the author of the study explicitly stated it only shows a correlation, and that more work needs to be done to determine any sort of accurate causation. Science is something that suffers heavily in the media tbh, people see what they want to see in any particular piece of research. [quote]We did find that vegetarians suffer more from certain conditions like asthma, cancer and mental illnesses than people that eat meat as well, but we cannot say what is the cause and what is the effect. "There needs to be further study done before this question can be answered."[/quote]
[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44476044]Can someone link the study please, I can't find it ...[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchObject.action?uri=info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0088278&representation=PDF[/url]
[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44476387]I'm a meat eater myself but the study doesn't seem to mention anything about veganism Seem like Veganism is the new thing, most vegans say that vegetarians are hypocrites They should make a study that test this against a vegan diet[/QUOTE] you didn't read the article/don't know what a vegan is then. that is the primary flaw with the study. it focuses only on a vegan diet then proclaims to be a study regarding a vegetarian diet.
[QUOTE=Bruhmis;44476661]you didn't read the article/don't know what a vegan is then. that is the primary flaw with the study. it focuses only on a vegan diet then proclaims to be a study regarding a vegetarian diet.[/QUOTE] The article doesn't mention anything about vegans [IMG]http://puu.sh/7ZqgE/dc493ac092.png[/IMG] That's why I wanted to see the study ...
[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44476846]The article doesn't mention anything about vegans [IMG]http://puu.sh/7ZqgE/dc493ac092.png[/IMG] That's why I wanted to see the study ...[/QUOTE] They sound like they're approaching it from a biological perspective (Veganism isn't a biological classificiation) though, but delineating being "Purely Vegetarian" and "Vegetarian", with the former being what you'd consider a Vegan diet. People who self-classify as Vegetarians are really "Highly Selective Omnivores", if they eat things like milk products or eggs, etc. The study admits that causation is hard to establish from their sample (no shit), but it wouldn't surprise me, speaking as a Biologist, that Vegetarians/Vegans would have a lower quality of life as the human animal is omnivorous with a slant towards meat eating. Our digestive system is really not awesome at digesting vegetable matter, which is often too tough for our digestive system (due to our atrophied appendix, which is a good sign of our omnivorous nature, which means that we're no longer efficient at digesting tougher celluloses). Cooking can help alleviate this, sure, but not as much as in the case of meat. Though someone (Sorry, I forgot who) made a very good point earlier in the thread that most people do not indulge in a healthy meat eating habit by avoiding the organs etc, but this can be alleviated by supplementing from vegetables, fruits and nuts. Hence, omnivores.
[QUOTE=Craigewan;44476899]They sound like they're approaching it from a biological perspective (Veganism isn't a biological classificiation) though, but delineating being "Purely Vegetarian" and "Vegetarian", with the former being what you'd consider a Vegan diet.[/QUOTE] Isn't the difference between a vegetarian diet to a vegan one that vegans don't eat ANYTHING animal related, like milk, honey etc? So they're treating a "pure vegetarian" like a vegan?
[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44476922]Isn't the difference between a vegetarian diet to a vegan one that vegans don't eat ANYTHING animal related, like milk, honey etc? So they're treating a "pure vegetarian" like a vegan?[/QUOTE] Yeah, that's what I said. For the conclusion, they seem to have lumped them both together, though. Which suggests (to my mind) that there was no significant difference between the Vegetarian and Pure Vegetarian/Vegan results. But I'd have to look at the paper in detail for that.
So ddoes anyone here actually care about how valid this study is or are they just using it as a justification to feel good about their own eating habits and/or make fun of STUPID WEAK VEGETARIANS and VEGANS. These threads are always hilarious because of how aggressively some of you act with your stupid opinions.
[QUOTE=AtomicSans;44469423][IMG]http://puu.sh/7YiSq.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] They never watched all those TV Shows about human teeth. We have fucking canine teeth, those are meant for tearing/shredding meat :v:
[QUOTE=Bruhmis;44473869]you know, somehow I doubt that if you came upon a litter of puppies being stomped to death, you'd continue on your way assuring yourself ''it's okay, they don't have abstract thought." I also doubt you'd have any problems eating dolphins if there wasn't a predetermined stigma against it already. even when presented with the fact that they're highly intelligent creatures, you would still just rationalize your decisions. if I wasn't so sure of that, I might be confused as to how you managed to decide on a moral qualm with eating a species that doesn't have any abstract thought, which according to you is your deciding factor on who does/doesn't deserve to live.[/QUOTE] Yeah nice try but no. You're simply wrong, here.
[QUOTE=AJ10017;44469459]What is wrong with these people, were they brainwashed by plants? Or are they just fucking dumb?[/QUOTE] They're vegetarians.
[QUOTE=W key broke;44482262]Yeah nice try but no. You're simply wrong, here.[/QUOTE] You judge the credibility and integrity of an organisms sentience based on whether you can paper train it. That's your definition of a credible creature and so if there's some human vegetable shitting his pants right now we should have him for dinner, otherwise you don't actually believe in that at all.
It might be anecdotal but I feel really invigorated when I have carnatine on a daily basis. When I tried going strict plants/grains, I felt seriously "malnourished" and ended up snacking on junk food. Meat makes me feel good c:
[QUOTE=Daemon;44484885]You judge the credibility and integrity of an organisms sentience based on whether you can paper train it. That's your definition of a credible creature and so if there's some human vegetable shitting his pants right now we should have him for dinner, otherwise you don't actually believe in that at all.[/QUOTE] so all people who like meat should reasonably be cannibals is what you're saying
No i am making the argument that just because something doesn't have the intelligence you can justify putting them in cage where he can't even turn around alright. We should inject him with all these kind of chemicals or whatever. There is no quantifiable way that you can say where the line is to be drawn in the sand.
[QUOTE=TaniaTiger;44470670]Why all the zings? Why do people always feel like some sort of master race because they eat meat? What does it matter if someone doesn't, it's a life choice and we should respect that. I'm not even a vegetarian I just think it's basic bitch shit to be a nob to someone because their choices that don't even affect you[/QUOTE] Don't care what people choose to eat. It's when they rub it in my face and pull the "killing is wrong" card. Anyone who outright hates every vegetarian regardless of reason is an idiot, but I can have a disliking for the ones who act the exact same as the "meat pride" parade.
[QUOTE=Daemon;44484971]No i am making the argument that just because something doesn't have the intelligence you can justify putting them in cage where he can't even turn around alright. We should inject him with all these kind of chemicals or whatever. There is no quantifiable way that you can say where the line is to be drawn in the sand.[/QUOTE] yep, that's an accurate representation of how all meat is made.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;44485357]yep, that's an accurate representation of how all meat is made.[/QUOTE] Whatever. I'm not going down that road when what it comes down to is a simple case of consumer blindness and disregard despite what conditions they are raised in. Would this be represented more accurately if i stated the majority, although it's probably obvious enough...
[QUOTE=Saturn V;44469442]Why do people have to make a big deal out of something other people eat?[/QUOTE] You are what you eat
I've met more people that try to convert me back to eating meat then militant vegans. The craziest ones are the ones that actually get pissed of and threaten to force feed me bacon or something [editline]8th April 2014[/editline] Crazy people are crazy people regardless of what they eat
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