• Police Respond To Wrong House And Shoot Its Homeowner when he refuses to put down gun
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[QUOTE=Zang-Pog;50491218]Well first of all the dude who got shot is not dead and he could probably have avoided getting shot if he just put the gun down is all I'm saying.[/QUOTE] Dude you'd be fucking stupid to go and check out a noise in the middle of the night unprepared without some kind of defense. You're essentially blaming him for defending himself, which he has every right to do. And quit saying "was brandishing a gun at officers", brandishing a weapon is when you have a gun on you and are pointing it or using it in an unsafe manner, I don't see how having it in his hand by his side while checking out a noise in the middle of the night is even considered brandishing. [url]https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=brandishing[/url] [quote]bran·dish ˈbrandiSH/ verb gerund or present participle: brandishing wave or flourish (something, especially a weapon) as a threat or in anger or excitement. synonyms: flourish, wave, shake, wield; More[/quote]
[QUOTE=Zang-Pog;50491243]Also could have avoided getting shot if no guns were around if you're gonna go down that road :buckteeth: Sure it's easy for me to say since I wasn't there or know what really happened, but listening to cops is usually a good idea[/QUOTE] You are completely missing the point in your desperate quest to justify police murdering random civilians
[QUOTE=Zang-Pog;50491278]Again, I really can't know what exactly happened but if he just had it to his side wouldn't the police officers give him enough time to comply to their orders? I don't know how trigger happy the people involved were or what occured, [B]but there had to be something to cause them to fire[/B][/QUOTE] Yeah, the cops came to the wrong house on a call of women screaming and shots fired, when they saw the man with a gun I'm guessing they just went rambo thinking HE was the assailant in question. Even at the actual house there was no real danger [quote]"There was an argument there however they indicated that there was no screaming for help or shots fired," Scott Dutton of the GBI told WGCL[/quote] So what I believe happened was possibly, someone was watching TV really loud and someone mistook it for the real thing? It's the only thing in my mind that explains the screaming and gunfire if they couldn't find anything concrete.
[QUOTE=Zang-Pog;50491278]Oh yeah this is what all this has [I]definitely[/I] been about. Police officers aren't there to protect and serve, they're just there to be thugs, break the law and murder anybody they like and I'm here to justify it /s[/QUOTE] Because you keep pinning blame on the murdered Air Force veteran for getting murdered and none on the cops for failing completely in their duties by not even getting close to the right house and proceeding to murder the confused occupant
Wait, he died? I thought he was in critical condition.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;50491334]No no, you see because it's the police they can just piss all over the law and if you don't bend over and lick their boots they'll legally shoot you. That's exactly how people defending the police in this story sound.[/QUOTE] Here how I see it: the police made a mistake and went to the wrong house. That happens sometimes. I type in license plates wrong too time to time. The police, acting under the impression they are at the right place do their job and investigate the call. When met with a threat similar to what the call was about, they acted. The police being on this guy's property is not illegal. The police shooting the guy is not illegal. The male with the weapon being brought out had a natural but ill advised reaction to the commotion outside.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;50491748]Actually yes. Shooting the guy was indeed illegal. Since he WASN'T the person in question, they shot an innocent man, a thing most people would call murder, but the police tend to call "a tragic mistake". Also since they were on THE WRONG PERSON'S PROPERTY, they were indeed trespassing, which, again, is still illegal.[/QUOTE] Murder requires intent. They didn't have that. Also in what freaking world are you living in where you treat cops who enter your property like that? You're constantly saying trespassing like they're a gang who's breaking into someone's house to steal something. They're [B]police officers[/B]. Not Sundance Kid. They're not your fucking enemy. How hard is it to treat someone with respect? Especially police officers who risk [B]their [/B]lives for [B]your [/B]safety.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;50491748]Actually yes. Shooting the guy was indeed illegal. Since he WASN'T the person in question, they shot an innocent man, a thing most people would call murder, but the police tend to call "a tragic mistake". Also since they were on THE WRONG PERSON'S PROPERTY, they were indeed trespassing, which, again, is still illegal.[/QUOTE] No, actually, you are wrong. Innocent or not, when you confront the police with a gun you're going to have a bad time and will likely be shot. His role is completely irrelevant to his actions. The police are allowed on to your curtilage while in their official capacity. They were investigating a 911 call. They believed they were at the right address. They were within their duties.They are allowed to be there.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50491298]Because you keep pinning blame on the murdered Air Force veteran for getting murdered and none on the cops for failing completely in their duties by not even getting close to the right house and proceeding to murder the confused occupant[/QUOTE] What the fuck does him being a veteran have to do with anything. He walked to the officers with a gun in his hands. I could see if the cops just parked with no lights or just kicked down the door without saying it's the police, but he left the house to look and somehow didn't see the lights at all.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;50487149]He's not dead, he's in critical condition. While it's unfortunate that he was shot, you can't blame the police for reacting the way they did since they were acting on the assumption that there was a serious altercation and shots were fired at the location they were responding to.[/QUOTE] The system basically fucked itself in this situation.
[QUOTE=uber.;50491832]Murder requires intent. They didn't have that. Also in what freaking world are you living in where you treat cops who enter your property like that? You're constantly saying trespassing like they're a gang who's breaking into someone's house to steal something. They're [B]police officers[/B]. Not Sundance Kid. They're not your fucking enemy. How hard is it to treat someone with respect? Especially police officers who risk [B]their [/B]lives for [B]your [/B]safety.[/QUOTE] Oh yeah they shot that innocent dude because they were his friends. Thanks to those cops for putting their lives on the line (by trespassing on his property) so they could kill him.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50491882]Oh yeah they shot that innocent dude because they were his friends. Thanks to those cops for putting their lives on the line (by trespassing on his property) so they could kill him.[/QUOTE] Yes, that is what you sign up for on the police, didn't you know that? They only do it for the money and so they can kill innocent people. Thank god that police officers are made of stone and there's no way in hell that whoever shot him will go through depression, self-hatred and anything else that comes by killing someone completely innocent. Seriously, what the fuck. You show compassion with the resident, how hard is it to also show compassion with the police officer? What would you have done in his situation?
[QUOTE=Code3Response;50491842]No, actually, you are wrong. Innocent or not, when you confront the police with a gun you're going to have a bad time and will likely be shot. His role is completely irrelevant to his actions. The police are allowed on to your curtilage while in their official capacity. They were investigating a 911 call. They believed they were at the right address. They were within their duties.They are allowed to be there.[/QUOTE] don't bother trying to explain to ilikecorn, he's like yawmwen 0.5
[QUOTE=codemaster85;50491844]What the fuck does him being a veteran have to do with anything. He walked to the officers with a gun in his hands. I could see if the cops just parked with no lights or just kicked down the door without saying it's the police, but he left the house to look and somehow didn't see the lights at all.[/QUOTE] Their lights weren't on at the time that he went out of his house, they were put on after they shot him according to the article that mentions his death. [editline]10th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=uber.;50491938]Yes, that is what you sign up for on the police, didn't you know that? They only do it for the money and so they can kill innocent people. Thank god that police officers are made of stone and there's no way in hell that whoever shot him will go through depression, self-hatred and anything else that comes by killing someone completely innocent. Seriously, what the fuck. You show compassion with the resident, how hard is it to also show compassion with the police officer? What would you have done in his situation?[/QUOTE] I'd like to think I would've looked at the address on the house before starting to search the property lmao
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;50492004]Shit sorry, I guess i'm a scumbag for believing the police should be held to equal if not greater accountability for their actions. My bad.[/QUOTE] Obviously if you think cops shouldn't be able to murder people willy nilly and go "lol oops" to get out of trouble then you're a libertarian cop-hating sovereign citizen nut like yawmwen
[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50487126]Didn't mean he deserved to die. I'm not one of those "self-defence" advocates, but since it's legal to carry a handgun in case a robber is at your door or something they should've just let him have it and questioned him. Besides, he might've been in a state of surprise when he randomly saw officers at his door, he might've just been in a panic due to all the shouting, and could've not heard what they were saying.[/QUOTE] But at the same time, they're cops. Like I get that the situation is confusing, but police don't exactly sneak up on you. They identify they're police, their cars are covered in flashing lights that are super bright. These are people you shouldn't approach carrying a gun. Also, they were responding to reports of someone that, to their knowledge, was out shooting people. If I were in their position I'd demand he disarm himself too.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50491977] I'd like to think I would've looked at the address on the house before starting to search the property lmao[/QUOTE] Good to know that you never get an address wrong.
[QUOTE=uber.;50492032]Good to know that you never get an address wrong.[/QUOTE] If I'm raiding a property and expecting a gunfight you can bet I'll be triple checking that shit fella
I didn't know they breed such high horses in the US. [QUOTE=Grenadiac;50492043]If I'm raiding a property and expecting a gunfight you can bet I'll be triple checking that shit fella[/QUOTE] In which country do you live where calling the police leads to a raid lmao. Are you honestly telling me right now that there is no case whatsoever in which you would maybe get the address wrong even if you triple check? [QUOTE=ilikecorn;50492042]Well he certainly hasn't ever gotten the wrong address and then shot a guy. Which is more than these cops can say.[/QUOTE] Do you know what exactly happend? Are you simply unable to imagine any scenario in which the behavior of the resident is also at least partly responsible for his death?
[QUOTE=uber.;50491938]Yes, that is what you sign up for on the police, didn't you know that? They only do it for the money and so they can kill innocent people. Thank god that police officers are made of stone and there's no way in hell that whoever shot him will go through depression, self-hatred and anything else that comes by killing someone completely innocent. Seriously, what the fuck. You show compassion with the resident, how hard is it to also show compassion with the police officer? What would you have done in his situation?[/QUOTE] I would've waited for the guy to point his gun at me with clear intent to shoot before I'd put a bullet in his neck.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;50492109]No I can, I see your side of the story. But at the same time the homeowner was well within his legal rights, and was shot dead because of a mistake. I'm not arguing about that. I'm arguing about the fact that there's a 99.99% chance that the cops who made this mistake are going to get off with "oh oops" instead of any real consequences; when anyone else who made an error this severe would face severe punishment.[/QUOTE] Because anyone else isn't supposed to risk their lives for you. Once again, we don't know what happened or who is to blame.
[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50492113]I would've waited for the guy to point his gun at me with clear intent to shoot before I'd put a bullet in his neck.[/QUOTE] Cops aren't trained to take that risk, people can draw and shoot incredibly quickly.
[QUOTE=uber.;50491832]Murder requires intent. They didn't have that.[/QUOTE] Pretty fucking sure they intended to shoot him. What are you trying to say, that the gun came to life and shot him by itself? That they thought it was a novelty squirt gun and couldn't shoot bullets? They deliberately shot him, they intended to injure or kill him, same as any other bad shoot. If a citizen shot an undercover cop approaching him with gun drawn you bet your ass he'd be going to jail, because regular citizens aren't given the luxury of being able to justify homicide so easily. [QUOTE=Code3Response;50491842]Innocent or not, when you confront the police with a gun you're going to have a bad time and will likely be shot.[/QUOTE] And then people will somehow shrug and justify the illegal actions of the police for outright murdering a law-abiding homeowner. I have no problem acknowledging that this was a tragic accident, that the police were doing their job honestly and saw a man who unfortunately fit the profile of the incident they were responding to. I have a huge problem with people saying it's the homeowner's fault for behaving entirely reasonably and according to the law, or brushing off that a person holding a gun is ordinarily not a justification to immediately shoot.
[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50492113]I would've waited for the guy to point his gun at me with clear intent to shoot before I'd put a bullet in his neck.[/QUOTE] Alright so all that does is establish that you would fail training in any country where cops carry.
[QUOTE=RearAdmiral;50492148]Cops aren't trained to take that risk, people can draw and shoot incredibly quickly.[/QUOTE] I'd still take the risk, shooting just because someone is holding a gun is absolute bullshit. It's pretty easy to tell when someone wants to shoot and doesn't want to, anyways. [editline]10th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=plunger435;50492178]Alright so all that does is establish that you would fail training in any country where cops carry.[/QUOTE] I know of multiple countries that only allow shooting when a suspect has clear intent to shoot.
[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50492200]I'd still take the risk, shooting just because someone is holding a gun is absolute bullshit. [B]It's pretty easy to tell when someone wants to shoot and doesn't want to, anyways.[/B][/QUOTE] Oh I hadn't realized you were not only a cop, but had also already been in these exact situations numerous times before. You can raise a gun and pull a trigger in less than a second. [editline]10th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50492200]I'd still take the risk, shooting just because someone is holding a gun is absolute bullshit. It's pretty easy to tell when someone wants to shoot and doesn't want to, anyways. [editline]10th June 2016[/editline] I know of multiple countries that only allow shooting when a suspect has clear intent to shoot.[/QUOTE] What country only lets armed police shoot if they're already shooting you?
[QUOTE=plunger435;50492218] What country only lets armed police shoot if they're already shooting you?[/QUOTE] What?
[QUOTE=catbarf;50492174]Pretty fucking sure they intended to shoot him. What are you trying to say, that the gun came to life and shot him by itself? That they thought it was a novelty squirt gun and couldn't shoot bullets? They deliberately shot him, they intended to injure or kill him, same as any other bad shoot. If a citizen shot an undercover cop approaching him with gun drawn you bet your ass he'd be going to jail, because regular citizens aren't given the luxury of being able to justify homicide so easily.[/QUOTE] You're constantly ridiculing that officer to make him look like an incompetent, stupid, "gotta kill em all", misantrophic bastard. Even though you don't know what exactly happened you constantly twist every aspect of the situation to his disadvantage. [QUOTE=ilikecorn;50492177]Police are an all volunteer force, no one is forcing them to serve. As such, they should be held to the same standard as the people they protect, if not a greater standard. "Oh oops" shouldn't be an excuse that magically makes the punishment go away.[/QUOTE] You're making it sound like that the officer won't give a single fuck about killing that guy which is, honestly, just sad. Like it was an easy decision to make for him.
[QUOTE=plunger435;50492218]Oh I hadn't realized you were not only a cop, but had also already been in these exact situations numerous times before. You can raise a gun and pull a trigger in less than a second.[/QUOTE] Then it requires fast reaction time, something a police officer should have anyways. I will never accept police resorting to violence unless the suspect clearly has hostile intentions.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;50492109]No I can, I see your side of the story. But at the same time the homeowner was well within his legal rights, and was shot dead because of a mistake. I'm not arguing about that. I'm arguing about the fact that there's a 99.99% chance that the cops who made this mistake are going to get off with "oh oops" instead of any real consequences; when anyone else who made an error this severe would face severe punishment.[/QUOTE] Context doesn't exist to you I guess. Anyone else isn't responding to 911 calls about armed persons and shots fired. Moreover, there doesn't seem to be any video of this, or really a solid account from any party publically available. The homeowner could be a dumbshit who brandished a gun at persons who identified themselves as police officers (being legally right, if the homeowner even was--I don't know the laws--doesn't magically protect you from the bullets those cops are likely to fire), or the police officers could be trigger happy fuckups who gunned down an innocent person the second they saw him. There's no point in jumping to conclusions, like it seems everyone bitching out the cops for getting the address wrong did: [quote]The argument that prompted the initial call to 911 at 11:54 p.m. Tuesday took place at a neighbor’s house — where, it turns out, no shots had been fired, Dutton said. [B]The operator was never given an exact address even after contacting the caller a second time[/B], he said.[/quote] [url]http://www.myajc.com/news/news/crime-law/gbi-officers-respond-to-wrong-house-shoot-homeowne/nrcj8/[/url]
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