• WARNING: ISIS Threats Hint At Possibility Of Terrorist Attacks In America | Chicago, Washington, D.C
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It just baffles me how much the west underestimates ISIS. They are powerful, they are already everywhere in Turkey and they are nothing like Al-Qaeda, they actually have a lot of western support. They have called on their followers to do one-man attacks in the name of ISIS without even asking. If your media says that the air attacks have much impact on ISIS, they are lying. Kurds are actually having a very hard time fighting ISIS and ISIS still gains much ground daily.
[QUOTE=Antlerp;45771673]actually al-qaeda has put the usa into such a shit state where the usa spends hundreds of billions of $ on war at the expense of their own economy and despite their own citizens living in shit conditions after a good decade of useless fighting, all to hunt down a few fucking cave dwellers shouting allah snackbar 24/7 don't you think ISIS want to replicate this? oh im sure they would love to[/QUOTE] Disagree with his format and tone all you want, Antlerp is right. The entire purpose of terrorism is to provoke the enemy into fearful thinking so that they escalate the conflict onto a front that they can fight on. America's security is substantial, and they know they can't actually invade or kill our army in our own country to secure their objectives, so provoking us to attack them in their own country is their course of action. An invasion or escalation of conflict in a foreign country is EXACTLY the kind of thing that just feeds radicalism and the growth of insurgent armies, and they know that. We shouldn't let them scare us into unwise or overly-aggressive action, or else we're probably showing the exact response they want to illicit from us with messages like this. A foreign invasion or escalated conflict is not the kind of response you want to give organizations like this; we should probably just support an independent Kurdistan and wait until ISIS's oppressive ruling of Iraq turns the people against them.
[QUOTE=DanRatherman;45772242]Disagree with his format and tone all you want, Antlerp is right. The entire purpose of terrorism is to provoke the enemy into fearful thinking so that they escalate the conflict onto a front that they can fight on. America's security is substantial, and they know they can't actually invade or kill our army in our own country to secure their objectives, so provoking us to attack them in their own country is their course of action. An invasion or escalation of conflict in a foreign country is EXACTLY the kind of thing that just feeds radicalism and the growth of insurgent armies, and they know that. We shouldn't let them scare us into unwise or overly-aggressive action, or else we're probably showing the exact response they want to illicit from us with messages like this. A foreign invasion or escalated conflict is not the kind of response you want to give organizations like this; we should probably just support an independent Kurdistan and wait until ISIS's oppressive ruling of Iraq turns the people against them.[/QUOTE] ISIS is based in Syria. Running them out of Iraq won't fix things. They'll still exist in Syria, they'll still pour into Iraq, they'll still exicute people. I don't think the old borders will remain if we want to destroy the nation of IS. If we want to empower the Kurds it will have to include the Syrian Kurds. The shape and borders of the region will never be the same. Iraq isn't the mess, it is the spillage of the mess.
Syria is a clusterfuck as well, admittedly, albeit a separate issue that should remain internal and be resolved by the participants themselves. I would agree that the borders of the region do have to change, and that Kurdistan would include areas other than in Iraq as well, probably in Turkey and Syria too. While Iraq may be a place where ISIS is spilling into, Iraq is also a country they are occupying as invaders, so the people within it should develop a proper disdain for them if they try to control the country for their own ends. If we invade or return troops to Iraq we risk giving credence to the argument that we have imperialistic or territorial ambitions, which is exactly how groups like ISIS recruit. I think supporting internal resistance against them is the only way to fight their barbaric oppression without ourselves resorting to re-instating an equivalently undesirable military rule. Resiting oppressive foreign forces may also unify the Iraqi people and give them a genuine incentive and desire to pursue a more democratic, or at least genuine form of government/organization.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;45771826]Instead of suicide bombing for a "cause" they suicide there organization for one instead. Pretty sure I remember reading something that was from someone in al-queda saying the exact same thing. Its less about the numbers dead, and more about the widespread affect. Like the USA becoming so fucking full of security and shit. I gotta sign out fucking forms and get stopped at a desk to buy fucking fireworks BEFORE I can even go into the area that has them, all because of the Boston Bombings. Really insignificant example but the most recent that comes to mine. These are people willing to die, and sacrifice themselves, you really think they are scared of America when they arent even scared to die?[/QUOTE] I have no idea why I see this thinking all the time? Do you really think radical Islamics want to inconvenience you while your buying fireworks? Or do they praise Allah when you have to take your shoes off at the airport. I'm sorry but thats just fucking stupid. Their whole goal was to get the U.S out of the middles east and it backfired horribly. The U.S was drawn into two wars but think about what that accomplished for them. Their whole government and organization was destroyed and with that most of their influence. They sacrificed their cause and organization. [editline]22nd August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=DanRatherman;45772242]Disagree with his format and tone all you want, Antlerp is right. The entire purpose of terrorism is to provoke the enemy into fearful thinking so that they escalate the conflict onto a front that they can fight on. America's security is substantial, and they know they can't actually invade or kill our army in our own country to secure their objectives, so provoking us to attack them in their own country is their course of action. An invasion or escalation of conflict in a foreign country is EXACTLY the kind of thing that just feeds radicalism and the growth of insurgent armies, and they know that. We shouldn't let them scare us into unwise or overly-aggressive action, or else we're probably showing the exact response they want to illicit from us with messages like this. A foreign invasion or escalated conflict is not the kind of response you want to give organizations like this; we should probably just support an independent Kurdistan and wait until ISIS's oppressive ruling of Iraq turns the people against them.[/QUOTE] Your giving a specific definition to something that is so broad. Its apparent the ISIS wants the U.S out of what it is doing. It knows it can't sustain themselves while fighting an enemy they can't effectively fight.
[QUOTE=CubeManv2;45771769]Come at us you fucking terrorists ill enlist just to start getting the chance at shooting back.[/QUOTE] [I]fast forward 2 years...[/I] [B]location: mosul, iraq.[/B] the terrorists are holed out in the city, and despite u.s. victories it seems like they will surely never be removed from iraq... [I]wait... what's that[/I] brandon neider, yonkers mayoral candidate 2013, explodes out of an alley; he had been waiting for these jokers to turn their backs to him and his dodge challenger, which now rolls over at least twenty of them simultaneously - 'ha, good thing i picked auto', he half-snorts out of the window, 'dodging' the body of another arab, black guy, or whatever the working class call themselves these days. he neutralises a figure on a rooftop with a quick blast from his Google Glass; his skeletal legs punch the gas furiously, sending him flying right into the Great Mosque of al-Nuri, exploding both him and all the remaining commanders of IS. heavily wounded, he attempts to transfer a hot pocket from his onboard hot-pocket oven into his mouth for sustenance, but it's too late. as the u.s. army marches in he murmurs his final will and testament - [I]'glass, upload this to g+ under the category 'memories''[/I]
[QUOTE=Zarfa;45772208]It just baffles me how much the west underestimates ISIS. They are powerful, they are already everywhere in Turkey and they are nothing like Al-Qaeda, they actually have a lot of western support. They have called on their followers to do one-man attacks in the name of ISIS without even asking. If your media says that the air attacks have much impact on ISIS, they are lying. Kurds are actually having a very hard time fighting ISIS and ISIS still gains much ground daily.[/QUOTE] They are fighting against a heavily disorganized and weakened Iraqi military and an undermanned and under funded Kurdish fighting force. Their capabilities don't even [I]approach [/I]what the US military would field if we remotely decided to become involved.
[QUOTE=GunFox;45773453]They are fighting against a heavily disorganized and weakened Iraqi military and an undermanned and under funded Kurdish fighting force. Their capabilities don't even [I]approach [/I]what the US military would field if we remotely decided to become involved.[/QUOTE] Their capabilities are not only in military power sense you know, they have vast political influence and westerners that do not realize what is happening here only add to their power by being ignorant. This is effectively every group fighting against them in the middle east, yes US Military is very powerful and almighty but US military won't be able to do jackshit if there is no one else to fight by their side in the region, they will have their influence settled and bam, you have to fight them again and again every 3-4 years as they build their power back again.
[QUOTE=Tmaxx;45771342]i dont think they understand what they're messing with. even the japanese were afraid of what was to come when they bombed pearl harbor, and they had every right to be.[/QUOTE] As horrible as it may seem, I wonder what kind of impact dropping a small nuke on ISIS forces would have. Would it have the same effect on every radical group in the middle east as Little Boy and Fat Man had on Japan (and, hell, the rest of the world) in WW2?
[QUOTE=sltungle;45774029]As horrible as it may seem, I wonder what kind of impact dropping a small nuke on ISIS forces would have. Would it have the same effect on every radical group in the middle east as Little Boy and Fat Man had on Japan (and, hell, the rest of the world) in WW2?[/QUOTE] Would it scare them? Probably. But not only would it be extremely counterproductive and impractical, it would vilify the US in the eyes of the entire world.
[QUOTE=sltungle;45774029]As horrible as it may seem, I wonder what kind of impact dropping a small nuke on ISIS forces would have. Would it have the same effect on every radical group in the middle east as Little Boy and Fat Man had on Japan (and, hell, the rest of the world) in WW2?[/QUOTE] i wonder if it would have the same effect on the innocent people in the region for every generation after as the little boy and fat man had on hiroshima and nagasaki?
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;45774053]Would it scare them? Probably. But not only would it be extremely counterproductive and impractical, it would vilify the US in the eyes of the entire world.[/QUOTE] Would it, though? I think it might force the middle east to settle down. It would definitely upset a lot of people, but a single act of dominance could solidify peace (albeit an uneasy peace) in the middle east for years to come. Those ISIS troops are going to die anyway; they are undoubtedly the 'bad guys' in all of this. What does it matter if it's a bullet that tears their skull apart versus instant-vapourisation in a spectacular display of power?
[QUOTE=sltungle;45774089]a single act of dominance could solidify peace (albeit an uneasy peace) in the middle east for years to come.[/QUOTE] And also undo decades of nuclear deescalation...
That single act of dominance could easily backfire on the US, wouldn't you hate a country that would use a bomb to solve a problem?
[QUOTE=sltungle;45774029]As horrible as it may seem, I wonder what kind of impact dropping a small nuke on ISIS forces would have. Would it have the same effect on every radical group in the middle east as Little Boy and Fat Man had on Japan (and, hell, the rest of the world) in WW2?[/QUOTE] Except every city occupied by ISIS is an [I]occupied[/I] city full of [I]civilians[/I].
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;45774074]i wonder if it would have the same effect on the innocent people in the region for every generation after as the little boy and fat man had on hiroshima and nagasaki?[/QUOTE] I'm not talking about nuking a city or something (or anywhere near one). I'm talking about nuking some convoy of ISIS forces making their way between point A and point B when they're in the middle of nowhere. Some random patch of dirt far away from where anyone does live, or will live. You know, the kind of place they'd be when you'd hit them with a drone strike or cut them up with a Warthog. Also, first generation nuclear weapons like Fat Man and Little Boy weren't the most efficient in the world. We know how to design better bombs now to use up the maximum possible amount of input fissionable material. Neutron bombs are also a thing now, and they don't really cause any long lasting local fallout when used properly (neutron radiation is incredibly lethal, but free neutrons are absorbed incredibly rapidly thankfully so it's quite a concentrated effect).
They're not goat herders with AK-47s. They're not cave dwellers. They're a group of radicals with a functioning government that rules over occupied cities of Syria and Iraq.
Its an interesting discussion but its not gonna happen.
[QUOTE=sltungle;45774176]I'm not talking about nuking a city or something (or anywhere near one). I'm talking about nuking some convoy of ISIS forces making their way between point A and point B when they're in the middle of nowhere. Some random patch of dirt far away from where anyone does live, or will live. Also, first generation nuclear weapons like Fat Man and Little Boy weren't the most efficient in the world. We know how to design better bombs now to use up the maximum possible amount of input fissionable material. Neutron bombs are also a thing now, and they don't really cause any long lasting local fallout when used properly (neutron radiation is incredibly lethal, but free neutrons are absorbed incredibly rapidly thankfully so it's quite a concentrated effect).[/QUOTE] Why not just drop a MOAB if you want to do that? Better in all ways than a nuke. Why is precision strikes not enough? A nuke is political suicide.
[QUOTE=OvB;45774200]Why not just drop a MOAB if you want to do that? Better in all ways than a nuke. Why is precision strikes not enough? A nuke is political suicide.[/QUOTE] Because the psychological impact of a nuke probably can't be outdone by anything else we have? They should give a MOAB a shot, though. Might not be a bad idea.
[QUOTE=sltungle;45774089]Would it, though? I think it might force the middle east to settle down. It would definitely upset a lot of people, but a single act of dominance could solidify peace (albeit an uneasy peace) in the middle east for years to come. Those ISIS troops are going to die anyway; they are undoubtedly the 'bad guys' in all of this. What does it matter if it's a bullet that tears their skull apart versus instant-vapourisation in a spectacular display of power?[/QUOTE] bombing is never going to work against IS just like it has never worked against any of these extremist groups. every member of IS is thoroughly convinced that the west is trying to destroy islam what do you think a spectacular display of power is going to do? convince them that the west doesn't want to destroy them?
[QUOTE=sltungle;45774213]Because the psychological impact of a nuke probably can't be outdone by anything else we have? They should give a MOAB a shot, though. Might not be a bad idea.[/QUOTE] Thats what I'm saying. When weighing the psychological impact of a nuke on ISIS vs the entire world, it isn't worth it.
[QUOTE=PC_Paul;45771415]Oh shit. i'm going to be in Washington DC next week. dw facepunch i will stop them[/QUOTE] BREAKING NEWS: Facepuncher PC_Paul saves America
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;45774223]bombing is never going to work against IS just like it has never worked against any of these extremist groups. every member of IS is thoroughly convinced that the west is trying to destroy islam what do you think a spectacular display of power is going to do? convince them that the west doesn't want to destroy them?[/QUOTE] Bombing has actually been very effective against extremist groups.
[QUOTE=pentium;45771244]Chicago? Why would you want to fuck over a mob town?[/QUOTE] They never got any delicious deep-dish pizza.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;45774074]i wonder if it would have the same effect on the innocent people in the region for every generation after as the little boy and fat man had on hiroshima and nagasaki?[/QUOTE] Nuking them would be a terrible idea and shouldn't happen. BUT modern nukes do not work like nukes of old. A nuclear warhead leaves radiation primarily because the reaction isn't complete. A more complete reaction, means a more efficient boom. In theory, a well designed tactical warhead would leave relatively limited radiation. Again not suggesting we nuke them, that would accomplish nothing and be terrible, just pointing out that WWII hydrogen bombs are only somewhat similar to a modern nuclear warhead.
[QUOTE=Explosions;45771188]Dumbass trolls posting on Twitter. Good luck attacking two of the most defended cities on the planet.[/QUOTE] Before or after 9/11?
Chicago?! Finally, a piece of news that actually get's me worried about something.
But if it were somewhere else you'd be totally fine with that?
[QUOTE=pentium;45771244]Chicago? Why would you want to fuck over a mob town?[/QUOTE] Those bastards clearly want to steal our recipe for Deep Dish. And our shitty "art sculptures".
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