234 House Republicans (99%) vote against bill that forces govt. to respect constitution - Polidicks

[QUOTE=mbutler2;28120812]Well then that is what I'm getting from liberals "Gay Marriage, people should have total free speech, and privacy from the government in times of danger."[/QUOTE] Woah, hold the shit right here, evoking thread pause mode What is wrong with gay marriage?

[QUOTE=mbutler2;28120812]Well then that is what I'm getting from liberals "Gay Marriage, people should have total free speech, and privacy from the government in times of danger."[/QUOTE] Except for the total free speech thing (fire in a crowded theater, etc.) that sounds fine. You obviously don't have the concept of reasonable suspicion down. Would you mind the cops breaking down your door and searching through all of your things because of the random chance you might be a terrorist, even though there's absolutely zero evidence against you?

Prismatex thread pause mode has been evoked jeeeze now he'll ignore my post

He's already advocating higher security. He's already calling for the suppression of rights.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;28120964]He's already advocating higher security. He's already calling for the suppression of rights.[/QUOTE] I want to expose him as a homophobe so we can wrap this up early and go home

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;28120844]Thats what I should be saying to you. I mean at least my fear that resources are being used inproperly is better then thinking some guy will blow you up any second. I mean really I don't like cops knowing what Im talking about. I could be talking about my porn fetishes I don't know but I do know that someone could be using tax money better.[/QUOTE] Why would that bother you that an officer knows your porn fetishes? are you afraid he might tell all your friends and all the girls at school? Because that is not going to happen. [QUOTE=CabooseRvB;28120867]They're taking away your ability to decide. Your ideal government decides what is right and what is wrong. People are willing to simply set aside their beliefs and obey whatever the government says in exchange for having their lives?[/QUOTE] How can you not decide? What is it that makes it impossible to live your life? If terrorists start to attack America, you probably won't have a life to live anymore. (that is of course extreme scenario.) [QUOTE=Zeke129;28120872]Woah, hold the shit right here, evoking thread pause mode What is wrong with gay marriage?[/QUOTE] I don't want to get off topic, or get banend for my opinion again. [QUOTE=Prismatex;28120893]Except for the total free speech thing (fire in a crowded theater, etc.) that sounds fine. You obviously don't have the concept of reasonable suspicion down. Would you mind the cops breaking down your door and searching through all of your things because of the random chance you might be a terrorist, even though there's absolutely zero evidence against you?[/QUOTE] I know they don't do that. They don't tear my stuff up. they listen in on conversations that's it. same thing happens if they come in my house and look around. Nothing was lost except their time. [QUOTE=CabooseRvB;28120964]He's already advocating higher security. He's already calling for the suppression of rights.[/QUOTE] Only in the time of danger, it feels like I'm repeating myself.

[QUOTE=mbutler2;28120812]Well then that is what I'm getting from liberals "[b]Gay Marriage[/b], people should have total free speech, and privacy from the government in times of danger."[/QUOTE] I'm failing to see what's wrong with this.

[QUOTE=mbutler2;28121101]Why would that bother you that an officer knows your porn fetishes? are you afraid he might tell all your friends and all the girls at school? Because that is not going to happen.[/QUOTE] First what about my resources argument and 2nd the same reason you dont like cops knowing about your porn fetishes.

[QUOTE=mbutler2;28121101]Why would that bother you that an officer knows your porn fetishes? are you afraid he might tell all your friends and all the girls at school? Because that is not going to happen. How can you not decide? What is it that makes it impossible to live your life? Only in the time of danger, it feels like I'm repeating myself.[/QUOTE] How can you decide what is deemed 'OK' by the government and what is deemed 'Treasonous'? The government would already set up decrees on what to do and what not to do for the sake of security. You're not deciding, the government is doing it for you, hence, bye bye freedoms and liberties. They can easily narrow the things you are free to do and claim everything else is considered treasonous to the state. What qualifies for 'time of danger'? War on Terrorism is not going to be won like a conventional war. I feel like repeating myself.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28120800]Yeah, i get what an analogy is. You apparently didn't get that's it's [b]a fucking abysmal analogy[/b].[/QUOTE] I don't care how bad it is, just as long as you get it.

[QUOTE=mbutler2;28121101]Why would that bother you that an officer knows your porn fetishes? are you afraid he might tell all your friends and all the girls at school? Because that is not going to happen. [/QUOTE]Because I don't see how my fetishes would be relevant to national security. Please, do tell all of yours. You see, most conservatives oft want less government interference, and yet here you are, blabbing on and on about wanting a totalitarian government. I don't care if it's vital to security, that's why officers get warrants to search places. We don't need a repeat of writs of assistance, now do we? [quote=mrbutler2] Even one homosexual man knows it's wrong. The young college student from New Jersey[/quote]Oh fancy that, homophobe indeed.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;28121147]First what about my resources argument and 2nd the same reason you dont like cops knowing about your porn fetishes.[/QUOTE] Using resources to ensure I'm safe doesn't seem like a waste to me. and 2nd I don't really care if cops know about my porn fetishes. I will probably not talk to them or they won't remember me, and if they do I'm sure they won't bring it up when they pull me over. [editline]18th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=CabooseRvB;28121156]How can you decide what is deemed 'OK' by the government and what is deemed 'Treasonous'? The government would already set up decrees on what to do and what not to do for the sake of security. You're not deciding, the government is doing it for you, hence, bye bye freedoms and liberties. They can easily narrow the things you are free to do and claim everything else is considered treasonous to the state. What qualifies for 'time of danger'? War on Terrorism is not going to be won like a conventional war. I feel like repeating myself.[/QUOTE] time of danger, a time in which the public is in danger. I would rather take too many precautions than too few. [editline]18th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Prismatex;28121103]I'm failing to see what's wrong with this.[/QUOTE] See post 217 line 3

[QUOTE=mbutler2;28121199]Using resources to ensure I'm safe doesn't seem like a waste to me[/QUOTE] It is when you could spend it stopping things that really do kill people. Do you understand how low the death rate to terrorism is? you have a much higher chance chocking on peanuts then you would getting blown up. The money spent could be used much better.

[QUOTE=mbutler2;28121101]Why would that bother you that an officer knows your porn fetishes? are you afraid he might tell all your friends and all the girls at school? Because that is not going to happen. How can you not decide? What is it that makes it impossible to live your life? If terrorists start to attack America, you probably won't have a life to live anymore. (that is of course extreme scenario.) I don't want to get off topic, or get banend for my opinion again. I know they don't do that. They don't tear my stuff up. they listen in on conversations that's it. same thing happens if they come in my house and look around. Nothing was lost except their time. Only in the time of danger, it feels like I'm repeating myself.[/QUOTE] So you're a homophobic bitch who can't deal with the fact that the government isn't dictating morals cross country?

[QUOTE=mbutler2;28121199]Using resources to ensure I'm safe doesn't seem like a waste to me. and 2nd I don't really care if cops know about my porn fetishes. I will probably not talk to them or they won't remember me, and if they do I'm sure they won't bring it up when they pull me over. [editline]18th February 2011[/editline] time of danger, a time in which the public is in danger. I would rather take too many precautions than too few. [editline]18th February 2011[/editline] See post 217 line 3[/QUOTE]All right, you don't want to take too many precautions. Here's what we do, we censor letters, kill or imprison those who pose a threat to security, and act like it's not happening so normal citizens won't think any different. Oh wait, that's how Stalin ruled.

[QUOTE=Jad Hinto;28121177]Because I don't see how my fetishes would be relevant to national security. [/QUOTE] Exactly tell that to the other guys [QUOTE=Jad Hinto;28121177]Please, do tell all of yours. [/QUOTE] Why would I?

Oh, and your analogy was terrible and you have to accept that. Once you do, you'll realize, you're fucking wrong.

[QUOTE=mbutler2;28121199]Using resources to ensure I'm safe doesn't seem like a waste to me. and 2nd I don't really care if cops know about my porn fetishes. I will probably not talk to them or they won't remember me, and if they do I'm sure they won't bring it up when they pull me over. [editline]18th February 2011[/editline] time of danger, a time in which the public is in danger. I would rather take too many precautions than too few.[/QUOTE] So you would accept 1,000,000 wrongful detainments as a result of over-precautions in exchange for the safety for the remainder of the population and jailing just 5 individuals that are actually capable of attacking the public in any form in the span of 8 years? And when is the general public in danger?

[QUOTE=mbutler2;28121248]Exactly tell that to the other guys Why would I?[/QUOTE]I meant that as in, why in the hell would the government need to know it. And if you're so open to telling the government everything, I'm sure you could share? Or are you hiding something?

[QUOTE=mbutler2;28121175]I don't care how bad it is, just as long as you get it.[/QUOTE] so basically, you're admitting that your idea is flawed. If the analogy is shit, then, the fact you expect a government to dictate factual morals across the board as if morals weren't subjective as fuck. [editline]17th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=CabooseRvB;28121265]So you would accept 1,000,000 wrongful detainments in exchange for the safety for the remainder of the population and jailing just 5 individuals that are actually capable of attacking the public in any form in the span of 8 years? And when is the general public in danger?[/QUOTE] It's like saying the fact the death penalty has killed guilty people erases the fact it's killed innocent people.

[QUOTE=Jad Hinto;28121246]All right, you don't want to take too many precautions.[/QUOTE] Oh wait, you read my post wrong I would [b]rather take[/b] too many precautions than too few. [QUOTE=Jad Hinto;28121246]Here's what we do, we censor letters, kill or imprison those who pose a threat to security, and act like it's not happening so normal citizens won't think any different.[/QUOTE] Did I say that is what I wanted to do? I don't recall I did.

oh my god i remember you know you're disgusting i mean i read disturbing books don't get me wrong but nothing disturbed me more than when you posted the story of that young boy and proclaimed his suicide was his own fault mbutler2, i usually am pretty okay with whoever wants to post their crazy opinion, but in this case i can honestly say that i would prefer you didn't post here anymore i had a friend who committed suicide because of the callous and amazingly awful behavior from individuals like yourself, you should be ashamed of yourself hmmph (but then i saw bjork rub eggs on her face and now i feel better)

mbutler2 why are all fascists homophobes? Legitimate question, I don't see how gay people are a threat to a fascist regime. [editline]17th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;28121300] (but then i saw bjork rub eggs on her face and now i feel better)[/QUOTE] Basically whenever there is a thread with some idiot and his idiotic views your avatar makes it better, keep it up

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28121274]so basically, you're admitting that your idea is flawed. If the analogy is shit, then, the fact you expect a government to dictate factual morals across the board as if morals weren't subjective as fuck.[/QUOTE] No, I'm saying I don't care if you think my analogy is abysmal, just as long as you get what I'm saying. Morals are objective.

[QUOTE=thisispain;28121300]oh my god i remember you know you're disgusting i mean i read disturbing books don't get me wrong but nothing disturbed me more than when you posted the story of that young boy and proclaimed his suicide was his own fault mbutler2, i usually am pretty okay with whoever wants to post their crazy opinion, but in this case i can honestly say that i would prefer you didn't post here anymore i had a friend who committed suicide because of the callous and amazingly awful behavior from individuals like yourself, you should be ashamed of yourself hmmph (but then i saw bjork rub eggs on her face and now i feel better)[/QUOTE] can you link me said post if you don't mind pain? I know your situation, I want to see how fucking bad this guy really is. [editline]17th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=mbutler2;28121319]No, I'm saying I don't care if you think my analogy is abysmal, just as long as you get what I'm saying. Morals are objective.[/QUOTE] Oh, there we go. Can't argue with full retard.

[QUOTE=mbutler2;28121287]Oh wait, you read my post wrong I would [b]rather take[/b] too many precautions than too few. Did I say that is what I wanted to do? I don't recall I did.[/QUOTE]It's taking precautions isn't it? This is what it will become, with your sense of wartime paranoia. We had prison camps, censored letters, so pardon me when I say this; All of those mentioned things are fucking horrible, no matter what. I don't care if it poses a danger to the army, if somebody leaks information, let the fault come down on them, don't spend every second of the government's time watching it's citizens. I have my own life, and I have my own things to hide. As does everybody, I don't need the damn government questioning me about everything I do, regardless of it's importance.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28121321]can you link me said post if you don't mind pain? I know your situation, I want to see how fucking bad this guy really is. [/QUOTE] [url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1040322-Americans-For-Truth-About-Homosexuality-and-IFI-added-to-SPLC-s-2011-hate-group-list?p=26861623&viewfull=1#post26861623[/url] hey look i was just as outraged then as i am now

[QUOTE=Zeke129;28121310]mbutler2 why are all fascists homophobes? Legitimate question, I don't see how gay people are a threat to a fascist regime. [editline]17th February 2011[/editline] Basically whenever there is a thread with some idiot and his idiotic views your avatar makes it better, keep it up[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=thisispain;28121300]oh my god i remember you know you're disgusting i mean i read disturbing books don't get me wrong but nothing disturbed me more than when you posted the story of that young boy and proclaimed his suicide was his own fault mbutler2, i usually am pretty okay with whoever wants to post their crazy opinion, but in this case i can honestly say that i would prefer you didn't post here anymore i had a friend who committed suicide because of the callous and amazingly awful behavior from individuals like yourself, you should be ashamed of yourself hmmph (but then i saw bjork rub eggs on her face and now i feel better)[/QUOTE] Like I said that is not on topic of what we are discussing here if the thread name had something to do with gay marriage than I would be more than happy to talk. Please let us not get off on a tangent. If you would like to talk to me about whatever you like then please add me on Steam or PM me. (unless I can get banned from PM too, then don't PM me.)

[QUOTE=mbutler2;28121352]Like I said that is not on topic of what we are discussing here if the thread name had something to do with gay marriage than I would be more than happy to talk.[/QUOTE] i don't care, it's still fucked up and it totally shows what your perspective on the whole thing even is

[QUOTE=Jad Hinto;28121334]It's taking precautions isn't it? This is what it will become, with your sense of wartime paranoia. We had prison camps, censored letters, so pardon me when I say this; All of those mentioned things are fucking horrible, no matter what. I don't care if it poses a danger to the army, if somebody leaks information, let the fault come down on them, don't spend every second of the government's time watching it's citizens. I have my own life, and I have my own things to hide. As does everybody, I don't need the damn government questioning me about everything I do, regardless of it's importance.[/QUOTE] And you won't have "your own life" if it's in danger.