Monster gets 422 years for 19-hour rape and torture of Columbia student
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[QUOTE=Dole;22768744]Do I have to keep saying this? I'm talking mentally. I say, hes crazy. For someone to be that crazy, he cant have any idea what dignity is. Whats right or wrong. Or what being a person really is.[/QUOTE]
More rather, he is unable to empathize. Psychopathy. That is an entirely biological condition.
[QUOTE=Dole;22768744]I dont believe he was possessed, just throwing out some examples ya' know?[/QUOTE]
I was just making sure
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22768736]He isn't normal. He's completely and utterly insane.
You do not decide to be completely and utterly insane. And so why should be be punished for that? Do we treat the retarded like animals because they don't think on the level we do?[/QUOTE]
Theres a difference between mentally handicapped and being a crazy psychopath who rapes and tortures people.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;22768740]Now you've got it.
Any judgments we make are made on petty barbaric instincts.[/QUOTE]
Petty barbaric insticts? It's inferior and irrational to hate that which murders and torturers your fellow humans?
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[QUOTE=Dole;22768784]Theres a difference between mentally handicapped and being a crazy psychopath who rapes and tortures people.[/QUOTE]
That's arguable
[QUOTE=Zeke129;22768760]So because he doesn't know that he has rights we shouldn't grant him any?[/QUOTE]
Im not saying that.
[QUOTE=Dole;22768784]Theres a difference between mentally handicapped and being a crazy psychopath who rapes and tortures people.[/QUOTE]
Is there?
It's an incredibly fine line between being "normal" and being a crazy psychopath who rapes and tortures people so the line between that and mentally handicapped has to be even finer.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22768785]Petty barbaric insticts? It's inferior and irrational to hate that which murders and torturers your fellow humans?
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Hate is fine. It's natural.
Legislating based on hate is the problem. Jail allows for rehabilitation, if applicable. (Otherwise, it serves to stop the person from hurting anyone else) Capital punishment serves only vengeance. Torture serves even less.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;22768256]And Lankist, he's agreeing with us from within the abyss
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*sniff*
[QUOTE=Dole;22768784]Theres a difference between mentally handicapped and being a crazy psychopath who rapes and tortures people.[/QUOTE]
And what is that difference?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;22768800]Is there?
It's an incredibly fine line between being "normal" and being a crazy psychopath who rapes and tortures people so the line between that and mentally handicapped has to be even finer.[/QUOTE]
Yes, there is a difference.
One has the mind of a 8 year old child.
The other has the mind of Jack the Ripper.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22768785]Petty barbaric insticts? It's inferior and irrational to hate that which murders and torturers your fellow humans?
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That's arguable[/QUOTE]
Yes, actually. Relying on ancient and outdated instincts designed for survival in the African savanna are hardly a good basis for justice system.
[QUOTE=Dole;22768823]Yes, there is a difference.
One has the mind of a 8 year old child.
The other has the mind of Jack the Ripper.[/QUOTE]
A slightly different arrangement of neurons causing electrons to deviate on their path by mere nanometres
[QUOTE=Dole;22768823]Yes, there is a difference.
One has the mind of a 8 year old child.
The other has the mind of Jack the Ripper.[/QUOTE]
And one could argue Jack the ripper had the empathic ability of a newborn.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;22768812]Hate is fine. It's natural.
Legislating based on hate is the problem. Jail allows for rehabilitation, if applicable. (Otherwise, it serves to stop the person from hurting anyone else) Capital punishment serves only vengeance. Torture serves even less.[/QUOTE]
I'm quoting this for the new page in case it got buried.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22768830]Yes, actually. Relying on ancient and outdated instincts designed for survival in the African savanna are hardly a good basis for justice system.[/QUOTE]
It isn't an instict, it's simple fucking logic.
It's based on our compassion, and our caring for other humans. We all know the value of humans, and we know that taking a human's life is the worst thing you can do. To do so willingly, or drag it out (torture) is the literal worst shit you can do. To do bad things is to make you a bad person, to make you a bad person is to make you a lesser person in comparison to the good, the pure, the innocent.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22768882]It isn't an instict, it's simple fucking logic.
It's based on our compassion, and our caring for other humans. We all know the value of humans, and we know that taking a human's life is the worst thing you can do. [highlight]To do so willingly, or drag it out (torture) is the literal worst shit you can do.[/highlight] To do bad things is to make you a bad person, to make you a bad person is to make you a lesser person in comparison to the good, the pure, the innocent.[/QUOTE]
So your best solution to combat the hate and disregard for human life that these people exhibit is equal amounts of hate and disregard for human life? No using "it's fucking logic!" in your rebuttal, that's just circular reasoning.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22768882]It isn't an instict, it's simple fucking logic.
It's based on our compassion, and our caring for other humans. We all know the value of humans, and we know that taking a human's life is the worst thing you can do. To do so willingly, or drag it out (torture) is the literal worst shit you can do. To do bad things is to make you a bad person, to make you a bad person is to make you a lesser person in comparison to the good, the pure, the innocent.[/QUOTE]
No. It's completely instinctual. If it were logical you'd be against killing him for the exact reasons you just explained.
And who are you to declare yourself pure and innocent?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;22768844]A slightly different arrangement of neurons causing electrons to deviate on their path by mere nanometres[/QUOTE]
Yes, and look at the outcome of that difference is.
First Scorpio compares furries ruining his childhood memories to a girl who was raped and had her eyes gouged out, are you really going to compare a retard, who is hardly any threat to society, to a psychopathic torturer?
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22768341]No opinion is ever right, but it's safe to assume that when nearly everyone in the world agrees to something, it's probably more correct than the other[/QUOTE]
You apply the whole "Majority rules" thing all together to much. what are you? Do you have ANY fucking spine at all? Do you only base your opinions on what's fucking popular?
Also, contrary to YOUR view, MOST people do not think capital punishment is a good fucking idea.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;22768898]So your best solution to combat the hate and disregard for human life that these people exhibit is equal amounts of hate and disregard for human life? No using "it's fucking logic!" in your rebuttal, that's just circular reasoning.[/QUOTE]
Once the haters are gone, all hate will be gone.
[QUOTE=Dole;22768916]Yes, and look at the outcome of that difference is.
First Scorpio compares furries ruining his childhood memories to a girl who was raped and had her eyes gouged out, are you really going to compare a retard, who is hardly any threat to society, to a psychopathic torturer?[/QUOTE]
Parallels can be drawn between any two people, we're not all that different.
[QUOTE=Dole;22768916]Yes, and look at the outcome of that difference is.
First Scorpio compares furries ruining his childhood memories to a girl who was raped and had her eyes gouged out, are you really going to compare a retard, who is hardly any threat to society, to a psychopathic torturer?[/QUOTE]
He's hardly any threat now. That's our point.
He's been caught. He's been neutralized. Any further punishment is simply you satisfying your vengeance fetish.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22768920]You apply the whole "Majority rules" thing all together to much. what are you? Do you have ANY fucking spine at all? Do you only base your opinions on what's fucking popular?
Also, contrary to YOUR view, MOST people do not think capital punishment is a good fucking idea.[/QUOTE]
Contrary to YOUR view, most people think that torturers and murderers are lesser humans than themselves.
No one is pure and innocent. [b]No one.[/b]
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22768923]Once the haters are gone, all hate will be gone.[/QUOTE]
An eye for an eye makes the world blind. You're basically (albeit indirectly and perhaps not intentionally) proposing the extinction of the human race which, admittedly, would work fantastic.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22768913]No. It's completely instinctual. If it were logical you'd be against killing him for the exact reasons you just explained.
And who are you to declare yourself pure and innocent?[/QUOTE]
He is sure a hell of a lot more innocent than a crazy raping torturer.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22768923]Once the haters are gone, all hate will be gone.[/QUOTE]
That's not possible my friend. The hate is in all of us. The ability to produce a psychopath is an ability we all have.
You can't eliminate degeneracy or murder, because you can't perfect reproduction. You're deluding yourself.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22768929]He's hardly any threat now. That's our point.
He's been caught. He's been neutralized. Any further punishment is simply you satisfying your vengeance fetish.[/QUOTE]
I have no fetish for vengeance. No thirst for blood. Or a desire to bring pain to an innocent person.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22768923]Once the haters are gone, all hate will be gone.[/QUOTE]
You are so fucking thick, I bet I could run a train into you, and the train would fall apart.
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