Monster gets 422 years for 19-hour rape and torture of Columbia student
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[QUOTE=Dole;22768949]He is sure a hell of a lot more innocent than a crazy raping torturer.[/QUOTE]
I don't really care about your petty "I'm more innocent than him" mental gymnastics. People are equal, and no one has the insight to decide who lives and who dies, or who's greater than who. Yourself, and all the human race included.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22768954]That's not possible my friend. The hate is in all of us. The ability to produce a psychopath is an ability we all have.
You can't eliminate degeneracy or murder, because you can't perfect reproduction. You're deluding yourself.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you here.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22768976]You are so fucking thick, I bet I could run a train into you, and the train would fall apart.[/QUOTE]
I don't really see how my statement is wrong, impossible, sure, but wrong? Nope
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22768932]Contrary to YOUR view, most people think that torturers and murderers are lesser humans than themselves.[/QUOTE]
Sure fucking do, but I don't think the majority gives a rats ass. And I don't think you really understand that you're proposing we just kill everyone for arbitrary reasons.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22768977]I don't really care about your petty "I'm more innocent than him" mental gymnastics. People are equal, and no one has the insight to decide who lives and who dies, or who's greater than who. Yourself, and all the human race included.[/QUOTE]
I would not call that petty. At all.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22768982]I don't really see how my statement is wrong, impossible, sure, but wrong? Nope[/QUOTE]
I already admitted that "wipe out everyone" is a good solution.
Not practical though.
[QUOTE=Dole;22768968]I have no fetish for vengeance. No thirst for blood. Or a desire to bring pain to an innocent person.[/QUOTE]
Of course. That's the most important part of the vengeance mechanism
After you've convinced yourself the person you want to kill isn't a person, you're able to kill them without empathizing with them. But they are a person. We're all persons. And your barbaric blood lust will do nothing but harm the innocent people you want so much to protect.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22768982]I don't really see how my statement is wrong, impossible, sure, but wrong? Nope[/QUOTE]
You're proposing wiping out a group of people due to basically, their genetics and situation in life. You're proposing we kill everyone that is a problem until no one that's left is a problem. HOW DO YUO NOT SEE THIS AS WRONG? AND YOU CALL US MORALLY SHORTSIGHTED? If I'm an animal for valuing ALL human life, then you are the real monster here.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22769014]You're proposing wiping out a group of people due to basically, their genetics and situation in life. You're proposing we kill everyone that is a problem until no one that's left is a problem. HOW DO YUO NOT SEE THIS AS WRONG? AND YOU CALL US MORALLY SHORTSIGHTED? If I'm an animal for valuing ALL human life, then you are the real monster here.[/QUOTE]
You'd think that killing murderers would help people in the long run
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22769004]Of course. That's the most important part of the vengeance mechanism
After you've convinced yourself the person you want to kill isn't a person, you're able to kill them without empathizing with them. But they are a person. We're all persons. And your barbaric blood lust will do nothing but harm the innocent people you want so much to protect.[/QUOTE]
What.The.Fuck.
Once again, no idea how to react to this.
It once again does not make much sense.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769026]You'd think that killing murderers would help people in the long run[/QUOTE]
you'd think just randomly killing people would help
[QUOTE=Dole;22768991]I would not call that petty. At all.[/QUOTE]
It's an arbitrary distinction you're in no place to make. All you're doing is trying to do is avoid thinking of him as an equal person so you don't empathize with him.
This isn't new psychology, it's a basic mechanism that's used in ever conflict. Demonize your opponent to more easily kill them. The steps you're using to demonize this man are the same steps used by the nazis to demonize the jews, or the same steps used by crusaders to demonize the arabs.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22769038]you'd think just randomly killing people would help[/QUOTE]
If they were all going to go on a massacre later sure
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769026]You'd think that killing murderers would help people in the long run[/QUOTE]
But then the murderers of the murderers will have to be murdered, and then those murderers, and then the murderers of those murderers, ad nauseum until Earth is a smoking crater.
[QUOTE=Dole;22769032]What.The.Fuck.
Once again, no idea how to react to this.
It once again does not make much sense.[/QUOTE]
This isn't his fault. It's you being 12.
that reminds me, do you guys think people like Hitler are equal to us?
[QUOTE=Dole;22769032]What.The.Fuck.
Once again, no idea how to react to this.
It once again does not make much sense.[/QUOTE]
It makes no sense to you because you refuse to consider it.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769049]If they were all going to go on a massacre later sure[/QUOTE]
So your massacre is justified because of a potential massacre later?
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22769048]It's an arbitrary distinction you're in no place to make. All you're doing is trying to do is avoid thinking of him as an equal person so you don't empathize with him.
This isn't new psychology, it's a basic mechanism that's used in ever conflict. Demonize your opponent to more easily kill them. The steps you're using to demonize this man are the same steps used by the nazis to demonize the jews, or the same steps used by crusaders to demonize the arabs.[/QUOTE]
So your the one in a place to make it? You cant tell me I cant make that distinction, when it seems thats exactly what you are doing.
422 years
Thats a lot of Oprah Christmas specials
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769056]that reminds me, do you guys think people like Hitler are equal to us?[/QUOTE]
Why do you even need to ask that question? The answer is yes.
It doesn't mean we endorse or condone what he did in any way however.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;22769065]So your massacre is justified because of a potential massacre later?[/QUOTE]
If it was 100% known that someone would go on a massacre of epic proportions, do you think it'd be alright to kill them (if you had no other choice)
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769056]that reminds me, do you guys think people like Hitler are equal to us?[/QUOTE]
Hitler was a paranoid psychopath who saw the Jews as some invisible threat to everything he cared for. What he did to the Jews was to him no different than what a germophobe does to germs.
He didn't see the Jews as people, he saw them as a virus to be exterminated. Sound familiar?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;22769080]Why do you even need to ask that question? The answer is yes.
It doesn't mean we endorse or condone what he did in any way however.[/QUOTE]
Jeez, so what's the point in existing if no matter what I'll still be equal to a human who murdered 10 million people.
Restarting the government might help.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769056]that reminds me, do you guys think people like Hitler are equal to us?[/QUOTE]
Sure do. He isn't? He is human? His DNA, birth, genetics, whatever, it's all very human. We are all very human.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769082]If it was 100% known that someone would go on a massacre of epic proportions, do you think it'd be alright to kill them (if you had no other choice)[/QUOTE]
Why is neutralizing them passively or evacuating their potential victims not an option? Give me a real-world application for your hypothetical and I'll answer it.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22769058]It makes no sense to you because you refuse to consider it.[/QUOTE]
I considered it. You dont know what I did.
First off, my respect for you has gradually declined.
Second, I don't believe in vengeance so much. If anything, I would say consequence is better than vengeance.
Vengeance serves nothing but to satisfy you.
Consequences on the other hand are much better than blind hate and vengeance.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769092]Jeez, so what's the point in existing if no matter what I'll still be equal to a human who murdered 10 million people.[/QUOTE]
Because life isn't about retribution. It's about understanding.
It's your bronze age attitude that's the reason we aren't thousands of years more advanced than we are now.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769092]Jeez, so what's the point in existing if no matter what I'll still be equal to a human who murdered 10 million people.[/QUOTE]
Why does there need to be a point in existing? We're here now, so deal with it. Stop pretending to be righteous, get off your high horse, and come toil with the rest of us.
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