Monster gets 422 years for 19-hour rape and torture of Columbia student
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[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22769091]Hitler was a paranoid psychopath who saw the Jews as some invisible threat to everything he cared for. What he did to the Jews was to him no different than what a germophobe does to germs.
He didn't see the Jews as people, he saw them as a virus to be exterminated. Sound familiar?[/QUOTE]
You just compared the Holocaust, which was the murder of millions of innocent people (or at least, the majority were) to killing a bunch of human murderers
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769092]Jeez, so what's the point in existing if no matter what I'll still be equal to a human who murdered 10 million people.[/QUOTE]
Because there is no point? Why do you need a point? This isn't even part of the discussion, because you lost. You have nothing to say that makes logical sense. You run circular logic and eye for an eye bullshit and expect us to just accept stupidity and arbitrary decisions?
If there was apoint to life, it'd be just as arbitrary.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22769091]Hitler was a paranoid psychopath who saw the Jews as some invisible threat to everything he cared for. What he did to the Jews was to him no different than what a germophobe does to germs.
He didn't see the Jews as people, he saw them as a virus to be exterminated. Sound familiar?[/QUOTE]
So now you are comparing us to Hitler?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;22769100]Why is neutralizing them passively or evacuating their potential victims not an option? Give me a real-world application for your hypothetical and I'll answer it.[/QUOTE]
He's just about to detonate a nuclear warhead and you obviously can't say "no don't!" and you can't evacuate an entire city in 3 seconds
[QUOTE=Dole;22769103]I considered it. You dont know what I did.
First off, my respect for you has gradually declined.
Second, I don't believe in vengeance so much. If anything, I would say consequence is better than vengeance.
Vengeance serves nothing but to satisfy you.
Consequences on the other hand are much better than blind hate and vengeance.[/QUOTE]
Semantics. You want retribution. You want to punish people who are impure. That's vengeance.
And frankly, you can take your respect and shove it up your ugly ass.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769113]You just compared the Holocaust, which was the murder of millions of innocent people (or at least, the majority were) to killing a bunch of human murderers[/QUOTE]
Because, [b]killing any person is still killing any person[/b].
What? Do you not get the logical paradox of killing all the killers? Eventually, you have nothing but killers, or dead.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769123]He's just about to detonate a nuclear warhead and you obviously can't say "no don't!" and you can't evacuate an entire city in 3 seconds[/QUOTE]
Why can't I taser him
Can I do the Red Dead Redemption thing and lasso him? Works in the game great
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769123]He's just about to detonate a nuclear warhead and you obviously can't say "no don't!" and you can't evacuate an entire city in 3 seconds[/QUOTE]
You're referring to an active threat. This man is not an active threat.
Active threats should be neutralized as quickly and efficiently as possible. However, this doesn't mean after they've been subdued they should be killed.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22769115]Because there is no point? Why do you need a point? This isn't even part of the discussion, because you lost. You have nothing to say that makes logical sense. You run circular logic and eye for an eye bullshit and expect us to just accept stupidity and arbitrary decisions?
If there was apoint to life, it'd be just as arbitrary.[/QUOTE]
What's the point in even arguing with you idiots, you'll still think murderers, genociders, and torturers are equal to you or me for some deluded reason.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22769125]Semantics. You want retribution. You want to punish people who are impure. That's vengeance.
And frankly, you can take your respect and shove it up your ugly ass.[/QUOTE]
So you are saying there should be no consequences?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;22769134]Why can't I taser him
Can I do the Red Dead Redemption thing and lasso him? Works in the game great[/QUOTE]
"OH GOD I'M BEING TASERED IT HURTS BUT I GOTTA PRESS THE BUTTON *press*"
"OH SHIT A LASSO GUY *press*"
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769141]What's the point in even arguing with you idiots, you'll still think murderers, genociders, and torturers are equal to you or me for some deluded reason.[/QUOTE]
And he resorts to shit-slinging. We've won, boys.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769141]What's the point in even arguing with you idiots, you'll still think murderers, genociders, and torturers are equal to you or me for some deluded reason.[/QUOTE]
Honestly, Im split between these two ideas.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769141]What's the point in even arguing with you idiots, you'll still think murderers, genociders, and torturers are equal to you or me for some deluded reason.[/QUOTE]
Oh, sorry I value life, and INALIENABLE HUMAN RIGHTS.
Also, I can turn your bullshit right back on you. Why bother arguing with a blood thirsty zealot? There is none, you'll just rather have blood on someones hands.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22769132]Because, [B]killing any person is still killing any person[/B].
What? Do you not get the logical paradox of killing all the killers? Eventually, you have nothing but killers, or dead.[/QUOTE]
You're really just confusing justified killers to non justified
As in, people who murder people because they murdered people for no reason.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769149]"OH GOD I'M BEING TASERED IT HURTS BUT I GOTTA PRESS THE BUTTON *press*"
"OH SHIT A LASSO GUY *press*"[/QUOTE]
Well I can't say what I'd do in that situation because I've never been in it.
[QUOTE=Dole;22769119]So now you are comparing us to Hitler?[/QUOTE]
No, not you specifically. Gummylamb, yes, but not quite you.
You're more of a crusader.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22769160]Oh, sorry I value life, and INALIENABLE HUMAN RIGHTS.
Also, I can turn your bullshit right back on you. Why bother arguing with a blood thirsty zealot? There is none, you'll just rather have blood on someones hands.[/QUOTE]
If you valued life you'd realize that you're being retarded and you'd know that murderers aren't equal to you or me
[QUOTE=Zeke129;22769153]And he resorts to shit-slinging. We've won, boys.[/QUOTE]
Scorpio insulted me before he made any insults.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769149]"OH GOD I'M BEING TASERED IT HURTS BUT I GOTTA PRESS THE BUTTON *press*"
"OH SHIT A LASSO GUY *press*"[/QUOTE]
You've never been tasered before, have you?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;22769164]Well I can't say what I'd do in that situation because I've never been in it.[/QUOTE]
Well I'd say that's good, but I think ending his life is a good option, it's worth it...and you can't disagree.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769169]If you valued life you'd realize that you're being retarded and you'd know that murderers aren't equal to you or me[/QUOTE]
How can you truly value life if you only value some life?
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22769166]No, not you specifically. Gummylamb, yes, but not quite you.
You're more of a crusader.[/QUOTE]
I am a crusader because I believe actions have consequences?
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769141]What's the point in even arguing with you idiots, you'll still think murderers, genociders, and torturers are equal to you or me for some deluded reason.[/QUOTE]
You've offered no reasoning beyond "You're deluded". Why are you any less deluded than you perceive us to be? Do you even know?
Gummmy, you may not agree, and I don't as well, but everyone has equal rights. Everyone is "intended" to have equal opportunity.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769149]"OH GOD I'M BEING TASERED IT HURTS BUT I GOTTA PRESS THE BUTTON *press*"
"OH SHIT A LASSO GUY *press*"[/QUOTE]
Immeadieate fucking threats, and passive threats are different. Whether you want to acknowledge this or not is based on your intellectual capacity alone. Immediate threats are to be dealt with swiftly, and efficiently.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;22769183]How can you truly value life if you only value some life?[/QUOTE]
Thats a good point.
[QUOTE=Dole;22769184]I am a crusader because I believe actions have consequences?[/QUOTE]
A consequence is an unalterable result of ones actions. What you're describing is retribution, the active punishment of those who commit wrongs in your eyes for reasons of "purity".
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769182]Well I'd say that's good, but I think ending his life is a good option, it's worth it...and you can't disagree.[/QUOTE]
I'd probably kill him, yeah. Would I be right in doing so? A lot of people would say yes.
But if he had already detonated it, killing him would serve no purpose. There's a difference between getting revenge and neutralizing an active threat.
The difference is that I wasn't killing him in the former scenario because I believed he was lesser than me, I was killing him to save millions of lives.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769169]If you valued life you'd realize that you're being retarded and you'd know that murderers aren't equal to you or me[/QUOTE]
sorry no, you're deluded <= Your argument.
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