Monster gets 422 years for 19-hour rape and torture of Columbia student
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[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769367]I'm obviously talking about willingly murdering someone.[/QUOTE]
That doesn't answer his question at all.
Self defense is completely willing murder.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;22769376]:siren:[B][highlight]Hypothetical Fun Zone![/highlight][/B]:siren:
Because I am a moral crusader like Gummylamb, I have made a chart which ranks crimes in order of severity.
[IMG]http://www.cubeupload.com/files/da8a00untitled.png[/IMG]
Please draw a line on the chart indicating where capital punishment should begin. Do not modify the chart, "it's just fucking logic" that they're already in the right order.
:siren:[B][highlight]End of hypothetical fun zone[/highlight][/B]:siren:[/QUOTE]
The idea here is that once you physically end someone's life, or cause them immense pain...that is inarguably bad.
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[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22769382]That doesn't answer his question at all.
Self defense is completely willing murder.[/QUOTE]
Oh, enjoyably murdering someone then
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769378]That's really all I can do, I can't prove your morals right, as you can't prove mine wrong.[/QUOTE]
Well no, I come from the perspective that I can't so therefor I shouldn't make judgements of others. You come from the perspective that you can't so therefor you should just because.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769390]The idea here is that once you physically end someone's life, or cause them immense pain...that is inarguably bad.
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you're only allowed to draw one line on the chart
Murder is murder. Someone still died either way. Whether it was cold-blooded or not.
Where's the fun in that
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769390]The idea here is that once you physically end someone's life, or cause them immense pain...that is inarguably bad.
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Oh, enjoyably murdering someone then[/QUOTE]
What if he's driven to murder but only because on the inside he's completely and utterly hopeless and filled with hate for himself and everything about himself?
What if the murder isn't an act of self gratification but a subconsious lashing out in between bouts of severe depression?
[QUOTE=Sodisna;22769417]Murder is murder. Someone still died either way. Whether it was cold-blooded or not.[/QUOTE]
One is justified, one is accidental (so not really worth punishing someone severely), and one is just because you find it fun (which is fucking awful)
Gummy, please explain how you go from, Murdering is bad, to "I want to keep murdering murderers." Kill yourself.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769418]Where's the fun in that[/QUOTE]
Do you or do you not get the point the chart was trying to convey
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769418]Where's the fun in that[/QUOTE]
Where's the fun in not murdering people?
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[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769427]One is justified, one is accidental (so not really worth punishing someone severely), and one is just because you find it fun (which is fucking awful)[/QUOTE]
Have you ever considered that it might also be fucking awful for the murderer?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;22769438]Do you or do you not get the point the chart was trying to convey[/QUOTE]
I did. I had a good laugh.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;22769438]Do you or do you not get the point the chart was trying to convey[/QUOTE]
No I do, that I am not allowed to judge severity of crimes, but that's what the justice system is for.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769427]One is justified, one is accidental (so not really worth punishing someone severely), and one is just because you find it fun (which is fucking awful)[/QUOTE]
The point is, you still took a life. And not that I'm Christian, but it's still a sin.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22769441]Where's the fun in not murdering people?
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Have you ever considered that it might also be fucking awful for the murderer?[/QUOTE]
I think if you murder someone for fun, you wouldn't feel too bad about it afterwards.
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[QUOTE=Sodisna;22769472]The point is, you still took a life.[/QUOTE]
But are you a dangerous person for doing so?
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769465]No I do, that I am not allowed to judge severity of crimes, but that's what the justice system is for.[/QUOTE]
Why can the justice system do that if you can't? What right do they have that you don't?
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[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769475]I think if you murder someone for fun, you wouldn't feel too bad about it afterwards.
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But are you a dangerous person for doing so?[/QUOTE]
And I think you're wrong. Your point?
And yes, actually.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769475]I think if you murder someone for fun, you wouldn't feel too bad about it afterwards.
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But are you a dangerous person for doing so?[/QUOTE]
Not all murderers mean to kill, or kill in cold blood. Do we kill them too? For a mistake? I can appreciate sentencing them, and keeping them out of the public, there are reasons to this. However, killing them?
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[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22769428]Gummy, please explain how you go from, Murdering is bad, to "I want to keep murdering murderers." Kill yourself.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769475]I think if you murder someone for fun, you wouldn't feel too bad about it afterwards.
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But are you a dangerous person for doing so?[/QUOTE]
If I recall, like on page 15, you said taking a life is bad.
Also, what abut taking a life of other living things? Cows, for the meat we eat, insects because they annoy us. We humans are more dangerous they 5 cheetahs lose in New York. You know? It's only takes the bush of a button or one phone call to drop a nuke.
[QUOTE=Sodisna;22769540]If I recall, like on page 15, you said taking a life is bad.[/QUOTE]
Which is why the idea of killing a killer to make that killers killings ok, is just absolutely fucking retarded.
I am done discussing.
I think everyone (mostly everyone) has made pretty valid points.
I'm going to go browse Valve Games and Mods.
This seems like a "Lie to Me" episode... With the whole rape and blinding bits...
True. However, it is an eye for a eye world. Honestly speaking, I'd love to kill the bastard who killed my uncle years ago, but that isn't going to change anything. Neither will killing murders. We are all murders. What's to stop anyone of us from going off the deep end and killing everyone ins plain sight then pulling a Brain Nichols by saying "the devil made me do it.".
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769465]No I do, that I am not allowed to judge severity of crimes, but that's what the justice system is for.[/QUOTE]
If you can't judge severity of crimes why can you judge appropriate punishments for them?
Lol, whatever you guys, if you honestly think humans like Hitler are equal to you or me, you can live in your little box because there's no way you're going to open your eyes and wake up to the world.
Believe you won all you want, but you didn't.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769714]Lol, whatever you guys, if you honestly think humans like Hitler are equal to you or me, you can live in your little box because there's no way you're going to open your eyes and wake up to the world.
Believe you won all you want, but you didn't.[/QUOTE]
"I'm right because I'm right"
[QUOTE=Zeke129;22769724]"I'm right because I'm right"[/QUOTE]
Because thinking murderers are inferior to me is a ridiculous thing to think, right? Like I said, grow up.
What he needs is a taste of his own Medicine, but 10-fold.
After 190 hours of his own medicine he deserves to be locked away in a 1x1x3 cell with no window's but a small 1cm hole for air.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769714]Lol, whatever you guys, if you honestly think humans like Hitler are equal to you or me, you can live in your little box because there's no way you're going to open your eyes and wake up to the world.
Believe you won all you want, but you didn't.[/QUOTE]
Ok. Ignore the point how killing killers turns you into a killer. Go ahead, ignore it. Ignore any flaws in your argument. You can claim intellectually you're better, morally, emotionally, whatever you want. It doesn't make it so.
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[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769749]Because thinking murderers are inferior to me is a ridiculous thing to think, right? Like I said, grow up.[/QUOTE]
No. Explain why it is. All you've said is "IT IS, IT IS, IT IS, YOU'RE DELUDED, SHUT UP"
What a way to use my 100th post...
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22769765]Ok. Ignore the point how killing killers turns you into a killer. Go ahead, ignore it. Ignore any flaws in your argument. You can claim intellectually you're better, morally, emotionally, whatever you want. It doesn't make it so.
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No. Explain why it is. All you've said is "IT IS, IT IS, IT IS, YOU'RE DELUDED, SHUT UP"[/QUOTE]
Explain how it isn't, all you've done is "it isn't because we're all human!"
But we aren't, our actions are what make us who we are.
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