• Monster gets 422 years for 19-hour rape and torture of Columbia student
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[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769749]Because thinking murderers are inferior to me is a ridiculous thing to think, right? Like I said, grow up.[/QUOTE] no you [editline]07:36AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769794]Explain how it isn't, all you've done is "it isn't because we're all human!" But we aren't, our actions are what make us who we are.[/QUOTE] Er, we aren't all human? Alright, if humans aren't human, then who the hell is in any place to decide who is human? [editline]07:37AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769794]Explain how it isn't, all you've done is "it isn't because we're all human!" But we aren't, our actions are what make us who we are.[/QUOTE] and dude, burden of proof we don't have to disprove your claims until you prove them
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769794]Explain how it isn't, all you've done is "it isn't because we're all human!" But we aren't, our actions are what make us who we are.[/QUOTE] Our actions define our identities. Not our races, not our rights. Our actions define our personalities, our characters. You are saying that you can strip rights. Arbitrarily. You are saying, to strip the right to life is a good thing if it is not an immediate threat. Explain to me how killing a killer for killing makes you 1) not a killer and 2) somehow FIXES the fact someone is dead, or makes it any better.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22769800]no you [editline]07:36AM[/editline] Er, we aren't all human? Alright, if humans aren't human, then who the hell is in any place to decide who is human?[/QUOTE] I didn't mean it literally, you guys take things so literally, don't use your emotions or anything.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769833]I didn't mean it literally, you guys take things so literally, don't use your emotions or anything.[/QUOTE] I am using my emotional responses, and I am also using my rational abilities to decide that the fate of man should not be made based on emotional reactions. Humanity and emotionality is all well and good on an individual level, but when deciding the fate of others, fuck off, it's a bad idea.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22769829]Our actions define our identities. Not our races, not our rights. Our actions define our personalities, our characters. You are saying that you can strip rights. Arbitrarily. You are saying, to strip the right to life is a good thing if it is not an immediate threat. Explain to me how killing a killer for killing makes you 1) not a killer and 2) somehow FIXES the fact someone is dead, or makes it any better.[/QUOTE] Shut the fuck up, I know the killing killers on a mass scale is retarded, I made a mistake. Get over it. Our actions define what we deserve, torturers don't deserve fair treatment. You're going to argue that because somehow you think torture doesn't change your rights, even though torturers took no account for someone else's rights, or their family, or their feelings. [editline]12:40AM[/editline] At the end of the day you're still the fuckstick that manages to believe that no matter how many evil things you do, you're still equal to everyone else.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769856]Shut the fuck up, I know the killing killers on a mass scale is retarded, I made a mistake. Get over it. Our actions define what we deserve, torturers don't deserve fair treatment. You're going to argue that because somehow you think torture doesn't change your rights, even though torturers took no account for someone else's rights, or their family, or their feelings.[/QUOTE] And you're saying violating their rights fixes the problem, or will make them rehabilitated. That is proven to not be true. No action can change your rights, nothing you do should ever change your rights, and unless you're an immediate danger, you should not be killed. Murders break this, do we break it to fight them? Does that make sense?
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769833]I didn't mean it literally, you guys take things so literally, don't use your emotions or anything.[/QUOTE] Oh, right, I forgot. Your argument is based on an appeal to emotion and therefor has no substance to discuss. My mistake.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769856]Shut the fuck up, I know the killing killers on a mass scale is retarded, I made a mistake. Get over it. Our actions define what we deserve, torturers don't deserve fair treatment. You're going to argue that because somehow you think torture doesn't change your rights, even though torturers took no account for someone else's rights, or their family, or their feelings. [editline]12:40AM[/editline] At the end of the day you're still the fuckstick that manages to believe that no matter how many evil things you do, you're still equal to everyone else.[/QUOTE] Yes, I am a "Fuckstick" because of the fact I believe all people have certain set of rights that should be defended at all costs. Yes, this is certainly a "fuck sticky" occurrence. I never said they should walk free, be free, or not punished, but death is not the answer.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22769874]And you're saying violating their rights fixes the problem, or will make them rehabilitated. That is proven to not be true. No action can change your rights, nothing you do should ever change your rights, and unless you're an immediate danger, you should not be killed. Murders break this, do we break it to fight them? Does that make sense?[/QUOTE] Cool, I don't care if you're for or against the death penalty, I don't give a fuck. We're talking about the worth of humans, which you somehow think the worst humans on the planet are equal to you or me. You're ridiculous, I don't know how you were raised, but I can't believe people like you exist. [editline]12:44AM[/editline] Why the fuck should we care about people's rights when they obviously never cared for their victim's?
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769856]Shut the fuck up, I know the killing killers on a mass scale is retarded, I made a mistake. Get over it. Our actions define what we deserve, torturers don't deserve fair treatment. You're going to argue that because somehow you think torture doesn't change your rights, even though torturers took no account for someone else's rights, or their family, or their feelings. [editline]12:40AM[/editline] At the end of the day you're still the fuckstick that manages to believe that no matter how many evil things you do, you're still equal to everyone else.[/QUOTE] Our actions don't define what we deserve, torturers deserve fair treatment. You're going to argue that because somehow you think torture changes your rights, even though you yourself refuse to acknowledge them as humans who do things because that's how they're wired, and are unable to function differently. [editline]12:40AM[/editline] At the end of the day you're still the fuckstick that manages to believe that if someone does enough evil things in your eyes you have the right to discard their human rights and treat them like animals.
"because they're human!" But should we show them compassion when they never showed someone else it? [editline]12:46AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22769912]Our actions don't define what we deserve, torturers deserve fair treatment. You're going to argue that because somehow you think torture changes your rights, even though you yourself refuse to acknowledge them as humans who do things because that's how they're wired, and are unable to function differently. [editline]12:40AM[/editline] At the end of the day you're still the fuckstick that manages to believe that if someone does enough evil things in your eyes you have the right to discard their human rights and treat them like animals.[/QUOTE] You sound so fucking ridiculous, you're honestly saying that torturing someone doesn't make you a lesser person. God fuck you I quit.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769896]Cool, I don't care if you're for or against the death penalty, I don't give a fuck. We're talking about the worth of humans, which you somehow think the worst humans on the planet are equal to you or me. You're ridiculous, I don't know how you were raised, but I can't believe people like you exist. [editline]12:44AM[/editline] Why the fuck should we care about people's rights when they obviously never cared for their victim's?[/QUOTE] Cool, I don't care if you're for or against the death penalty, I don't give a fuck. We're talking about the worth of humans, which you somehow think the worst humans on the planet aren't equal to you or me. You're ridiculous, I don't know how you were raised, but I can't believe people like you exist. [editline]12:44AM[/editline] Why the fuck should we not care about people's rights just because they never cared for their victim's?
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769896]Cool, I don't care if you're for or against the death penalty, I don't give a fuck. We're talking about the worth of humans, which you somehow think the worst humans on the planet are equal to you or me. You're ridiculous, I don't know how you were raised, but I can't believe people like you exist.[/QUOTE] I can't believe blood thirsty manical zealots like you exist, but what does that prove? Nothing. Because you want to take peoples rights away and make them subhuman. I think this is wrong, I don't understand why me thinking that is wrong makes me so terrible, but it really should not be. When you say you can die for a crime(while NOT an immediate threat), you're taking away rights arbitrarily, and at a certain point, the fact you gave them the power to kill is going to bite you in the ass. I understand your argument, I understand the fact you're appealing to an emotional level, making decisions on an emotional level, and not only that, calling us fucksticks and deluded for thinking that peoples worth are all equal. "All men are created equal".
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769918]"because they're human!" But should we show them compassion when they never showed someone else it? [editline]12:46AM[/editline] You sound so fucking ridiculous, you're honestly saying that torturing someone doesn't make you a lesser person. God fuck you I quit.[/QUOTE] You sound so fucking ridiculous, you're honestly saying that torturing someone makes you a lesser person. God fuck you I quit.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22769945]You sound so fucking ridiculous, you're honestly saying that torturing someone makes you a lesser person. God fuck you I quit.[/QUOTE] Torturing someone is a crime worthy of punishment. where did we say it was not? But, WHY IS DEATH THE ANSWER? Gummy, why is it?
You won't listen to me, I don't see how the fuck you could think torturers deserve fair treatment, but here it goes. Alright so torture is the worst thing ever, and people who do it to others do not deserve the same rights I do. I am a better human than them, we are all better humans than them. want to know why? Because we don't harm others to unbelievable magnitudes.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769984]You won't listen to me, I don't see how the fuck you could think torturers deserve fair treatment, but here it goes. Alright so torture is the worst thing ever, and people who do it to others do not deserve the same rights I do. I am a better human than them, we are all better humans than them. want to know why? Because we don't harm others to unbelievable magnitudes.[/QUOTE] You won't listen to me, I don't see how the fuck you could think torturers don't deserve fair treatment, but here it goes. Alright so torture is the worst thing ever, but people who do it to others still deserve the same rights I do. I am not a better human than them, no one can say we are better humans than them. want to know why? Because we don't have the insight required to make such a judgement. Do you know why I keep reversing your arguments? There is a point, can you tell me what it is?
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769984]You won't listen to me, I don't see how the fuck you could think torturers deserve fair treatment, but here it goes. Alright so torture is the worst thing ever, and people who do it to others do not deserve the same rights I do. I am a better human than them, we are all better humans than them. want to know why? Because we don't harm others to unbelievable magnitudes.[/QUOTE] Yes, you are a better person. But human is not a scale, it is a gene code, and as a [b]civilized society of people, human beings[/b] we have certain inalienable rights that guarantee fair treatment because if they did not, we would be arbitrarily able to be killed. As a part of this society, we are given those rights, and the idea of taking them away is disgusting to me. Yes, torture is terrible. Yes, punishment is needed. Is death the best way to go about it? Fuck no you ass.
If I pinned you down, tied you down, and skinned you alive, gouged out your eyes, and raped you, would you want me to see fair treatment? No, you wouldn't. You're all robots, internet tough guys that don't understand the severity of these crimes. You sit on your seat going "Yeah, they're still human", but it's easy to say shit you have never experienced. I haven't experienced it either (thank god), but it's pretty much common knowledge that torture doesn't feel good, and it affects many a human.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769984]You won't listen to me, I don't see how the fuck you could think torturers deserve fair treatment, but here it goes. Alright so torture is the worst thing ever, and people who do it to others do not deserve the same rights I do. I am a better human than them, we are all better humans than them. want to know why? Because we don't harm others to unbelievable magnitudes.[/QUOTE] So how do you define who should be stripped of their human rights? And who should decide it? [editline]07:54AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770025]If I pinned you down, tied you down, and skinned you alive, gouged out your eyes, and raped you, would you want me to see fair treatment? No, you wouldn't. You're all robots, internet tough guys that don't understand the severity of these crimes. You sit on your seat going "Yeah, they're still human", but it's easy to say shit you have never experienced. I haven't experienced it either (thank god), but it's pretty much common knowledge that torture doesn't feel good, and it affects many a human.[/QUOTE] Appeal to emotion.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770025]If I pinned you down, tied you down, and skinned you alive, gouged out your eyes, and raped you, would you want me to see fair treatment? No, you wouldn't. You're all robots, internet tough guys that don't understand the severity of these crimes. You sit on your seat going "Yeah, they're still human", but it's easy to say shit you have never experienced. I haven't experienced it either (thank god), but it's pretty much common knowledge that torture doesn't feel good, and it affects many a human.[/QUOTE] yes, I would have an emotional reaction. But [b]you do not make life changing, history altering, important, decisions based solely on your emotional reactions. We are rational fucking beings, and have the ability to think. We should realize that while the victim is in pain or dying, nothing can be gained by an emotional reaction. [/b]
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770025]If I pinned you down, tied you down, and skinned you alive, gouged out your eyes, and raped you, would you want me to see fair treatment? No, you wouldn't. You're all robots, internet tough guys that don't understand the severity of these crimes. You sit on your seat going "Yeah, they're still human", but it's easy to say shit you have never experienced. I haven't experienced it either (thank god), but it's pretty much common knowledge that torture doesn't feel good, and it affects many a human.[/QUOTE] So you say we aren't in a position to say they're human because we've never experienced torture, but you are because you haven't either?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22770020]Yes, you are a better person. But human is not a scale, it is a gene code, and as a [B]civilized society of people, human beings[/B] we have certain inalienable rights that guarantee fair treatment because if they did not, we would be arbitrarily able to be killed. As a part of this society, we are given those rights, and the idea of taking them away is disgusting to me. Yes, torture is terrible. Yes, punishment is needed. Is death the best way to go about it? Fuck no you ass.[/QUOTE] Look, I can understand fair treatment to an extent, like not fucking torturing them to death and shit. But when it comes down to it, I'm a better human, and I deserve more and better rights than them. I can understand not treating them like super shit, but don't treat them like me.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770046]Look, I can understand fair treatment to an extent, like not fucking torturing them to death and shit. But when it comes down to it, I'm a better human, and I deserve more and better rights than them. I can understand not treating them like super shit, but don't treat them like me.[/QUOTE] Why? You still haven't answered that very simple question. Why? You keep saying "because it's obvious", but that's not an answer. Why is it obvious? Why do they deserve less than you?
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770046]Look, I can understand fair treatment to an extent, like not fucking torturing them to death and shit. But when it comes down to it, I'm a better human, and I deserve more and better rights than them. I can understand not treating them like super shit, but don't treat them like me.[/QUOTE] I'm better than black people, so i deserve more rights than them. [editline]12:58AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22770059]Why? You still haven't answered that very simple question. Why? You keep saying "because it's obvious", but that's not an answer. Why is it obvious? Why do they deserve less than you?[/QUOTE] because to him, hurting others is so bad it changes your worth as a human, not as a person. they are terrible people, but they are still human and deserve fair treatment. [b]They do not deserve a purely emotional reaction.[/b]
IMO freedom of speech should only apply to people with no criminal record. Only the best deserve the right to say what they want.
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You're ridiculous, I'm not a better person than a torturer? [editline]12:59AM[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22770065]I'm better than black people, so i deserve more rights than them. [editline]12:58AM[/editline] because to him, hurting others is so bad it changes your worth as a human, not as a person. they are terrible people, but they are still human and deserve fair treatment. [B]They do not deserve a purely emotional reaction.[/B][/QUOTE] Not equal treatment to me. They should not have equal priority to serve as me, or you.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770094]You're ridiculous, I'm not a better person than a torturer?[/QUOTE] Define better.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770094]You're ridiculous, I'm not a better person than a torturer?[/QUOTE] You're a better person, not a better human though. They are different things, and no matter how good or bad of a person you are, all humans deserve the same treatment at a legal, legislative level. Otherwise, there is too much room for slippery slope.
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