Monster gets 422 years for 19-hour rape and torture of Columbia student
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[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770094]You're ridiculous, I'm not a better person than a torturer?
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Not equal treatment to me. They should not have equal priority to serve as me, or you.[/QUOTE]
Why do you think you are?
Just answer that one simple question. Why?
I guess at a legal, legislative level then yeah, sure, why not.
But if it comes down to it, they shouldn't be put in the same priority level as me.
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[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22770126]Why do you think you are?
Just answer that one simple question. Why?[/QUOTE]
Because I didn't fucking ruin someone's life. How is this even hard for you to grasp, are you mentally retarded?
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770136]I guess at a legal, legislative level then yeah, sure, why not.
But if it comes down to it, they shouldn't be put in the same priority level as me.
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Because I didn't fucking ruin someone's life. How is this even hard for you to grasp, are you mentally retarded?[/QUOTE]
What the fuck is a priority level?
And no, he's saying that just because of your actions, you do not ever deserve to have your fucking rights removed.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770136]I guess at a legal, legislative level then yeah, sure, why not.
But if it comes down to it, they shouldn't be put in the same priority level as me.
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Because I didn't fucking ruin someone's life. How is this even hard for you to grasp, are you mentally retarded?[/QUOTE]
But why does that make them less of a person than you? Why does that make them less human?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22770153]What the fuck is a priority level?
And no, he's saying that just because of your actions, you do not ever deserve to have your fucking rights removed.[/QUOTE]
I have no idea, it's more imaginary than not.
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[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22770156]But why does that make them less of a person than you? Why does that make them less human?[/QUOTE]
Did you ever go to school? Humans are a social race, a compassionate, emotional race that cares about others. If you don't, you're missing many things that make a human special.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770160]Did you ever go to school? Humans are a social race, a compassionate, emotional race that cares about others. If you don't, you're missing many things that make a human special.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/images/michaelwalford/2006/10/06/triumph_of_the_will_stadium_shot.jpg[/img]
So none of these people were human?
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22769918]"because they're human!" But should we show them compassion when they never showed someone else it?
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You sound so fucking ridiculous, you're honestly saying that torturing someone doesn't make you a lesser person. God fuck you I quit.[/QUOTE]
It's called turning the other cheek.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22770179][IMG]http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/images/michaelwalford/2006/10/06/triumph_of_the_will_stadium_shot.jpg[/IMG]
So none of these people were human?[/QUOTE]
Lesser humans
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770190]Lesser humans[/QUOTE]
They were probably bad people, but not lesser humans. Your status as a human is unchanged, inalienable. Your status as a person is variable.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770190]Lesser humans[/QUOTE]
You know what's funny, you're calling them lesser humans because you say they're unable to be compassionate for their fellow humans.
Which is exactly what you're doing towards them.
What's the point in even arguing with you guys, you still think Hitler is deserving of fair treatment because killing 10 million people in terrible fashions is apparently not bad enough to warrant the worst treatment possible, because apparently his rights are worth more than the rights of 10,000,000 humans that he disregarded.
And lastly, but not least, important decisions are not to be made on an emotional basis. For the last fucking time, this is the most incredibly important thing we've learned in the last 1000 years.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22770216]You know what's funny, you're calling them lesser humans because you say they're unable to be compassionate for their fellow humans.
Which is exactly what you're doing towards them.[/QUOTE]
Not caring for people who murder others isn't bad
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770219]What's the point in even arguing with you guys, you still think Hitler is deserving of fair treatment because killing 10 million people in terrible fashions is apparently not bad enough to warrant the worst treatment possible, because apparently his rights are worth more than the rights of 10,000,000 humans that he disregarded.[/QUOTE]
What does killing him solve? We are not saying "OH NO DON'T FUCKING PUNISH THEM!!!" We are saying they have rights, that you can not take away.
WHY THE FUCK DON'T YOU GET THIS?
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770223]Not caring for people who murder others isn't bad[/QUOTE]
Why?
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[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770219]What's the point in even arguing with you guys, you still think Hitler is deserving of fair treatment because killing 10 million people in terrible fashions is apparently not bad enough to warrant the worst treatment possible, because apparently his rights are worth more than the rights of 10,000,000 humans that he disregarded.[/QUOTE]
You're making no sense. How will treating him fairly effect those he killed?
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770223]Not caring for people who murder others isn't bad[/QUOTE]
Yes it is. Saying do away with them is not compassionate at all. Saying kill them is not compassion, it is not helping. You are breeding a society of blood thirsty zealots by saying it is ok to kill them. We should try and fix them, a lot of people who end up in that situation made emotional decisions and are fucked because of it. They want to be helped, and killing them is not helping them. It is not the compassion [b]YOU[/b] bitch and moan about and tell us we don't have.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22770227]What does killing him solve? We are not saying "OH NO DON'T FUCKING PUNISH THEM!!!" We are saying they have rights, that you can not take away.
WHY THE FUCK DON'T YOU GET THIS?[/QUOTE]
I don't get how you can say that a genocidal maniac should be treated fairly.
Because you know, he definitely thought that the jews should be treated fairly.
All 6 million of them, and then the 4 million other people.
You're a hypocrite, and an idiot. I don't see how this is an argument, you can get angry at us for our "lack of compassion" and emotioanl reaction, but you are the only one here lacking in compassion, in reason, in intellectual capacity. You are the only one making an emotional decision, and saying an emotional decision is the best decision to make.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22770231]Why?
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You're making no sense. How will treating him fairly effect those he killed?[/QUOTE]
Hey Scorpio, you're a genius! Why punish Hitler at all, what does it matter to the millions he killed, how could they care??? rofl
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770250]I don't get how you can say that a genocidal maniac should be treated fairly.
Because you know, he definitely thought that the jews should be treated fairly.
All 6 million of them, and then the 4 million other people.[/QUOTE]
He didn't think the Jews should be treated fairly for the exact same reason you don't think he should be treated fairly.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22770262]You're a hypocrite, and an idiot. I don't see how this is an argument, you can get angry at us for our "lack of compassion" and emotioanl reaction, but you are the only one here lacking in compassion, in reason, in intellectual capacity. You are the only one making an emotional decision, and saying an emotional decision is the best decision to make.[/QUOTE]
Yep, I'm the idiot who believes Hitler deserves fair treatment.
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[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22770269]He didn't think the Jews should be treated fairly for the exact same reason you don't think he should be treated fairly.[/QUOTE]
Too bad he didn't have a reason and I do
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770267]Hey Scorpio, you're a genius! Why punish Hitler at all, what does it matter to the millions he killed, how could they care??? rofl[/QUOTE]
Well, they're dead. I don't think they're capable of caring at this point.
But let me guess, 10 million people murdered isn't a good enough reason
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[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22770279]Well, they're dead. I don't think they're capable of caring at this point.[/QUOTE]
Yes, no murderer deserves punishment ever.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770273]Yep, I'm the idiot who believes Hitler deserves fair treatment.
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Too bad he didn't have a reason and I do[/QUOTE]
You know, I'm not calling you a stupid motherfucker, I'd kindly ask you to refrain from calling me such.
He thought he had a reason.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770250]I don't get how you can say that a genocidal maniac should be treated fairly.
Because you know, he definitely thought that the jews should be treated fairly.
All 6 million of them, and then the 4 million other people.[/QUOTE]
Sure, kill him. What does that fix? Nothing. It's an emotional response to a problem. [b]FOR THE LAST FUCKING TIME, YOU ARE SAYING AN EMOTIONAL REACTION TO A PROBLEM IS A GOOD IDEA, IS RIGHT, IS EVERYTHING WE SHOULD BE DOING. YOU ARE DEFENDING AN EMOTIONAL REACTION, AND NOT A RATIONAL ONE.[/B]
Guys, fuck thinking, don't be rational, be emotional. That's how humanity can survive.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22770291]You know, I'm not calling you a stupid motherfucker, I'd kindly ask you to refrain from calling me such.
He thought he had a reason.[/QUOTE]
I never really called you an idiot, at least not directly.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770283]But let me guess, 10 million people murdered isn't a good enough reason
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Yes, no murderer deserves punishment ever.[/QUOTE]
Simply throwing around numbers isn't an argument. You're appealing to emotion again.
No, not really.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770273]Yep, I'm the idiot who believes Hitler deserves fair treatment.
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Too bad he didn't have a reason and I do[/QUOTE]
I also think you deserve fair treatment, but you'd go ahead and kill everyone that's ever done anything wrong, and then say there is no blood on your hands. So, I must be crazy.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22770294]Sure, kill him. What does that fix? Nothing. It's an emotional response to a problem. [B]FOR THE LAST FUCKING TIME, YOU ARE SAYING AN EMOTIONAL REACTION TO A PROBLEM IS A GOOD IDEA, IS RIGHT, IS EVERYTHING WE SHOULD BE DOING. YOU ARE DEFENDING AN EMOTIONAL REACTION, AND NOT A RATIONAL ONE.[/B]
Guys, fuck thinking, don't be rational, be emotional. That's how humanity can survive.[/QUOTE]
By your logic punishing murderers doesn't matter at all because it doesn't solve anything.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770301]I never really called you an idiot, at least not directly.[/QUOTE]
[quote]Yep, I'm the idiot who believes Hitler deserves fair treatment.[/quote]
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