• Monster gets 422 years for 19-hour rape and torture of Columbia student
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[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22770303]Simply throwing around numbers isn't an argument. You're appealing to emotion again. No, not really.[/QUOTE] Those numbers are human lives
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770306]By your logic punishing murderers doesn't matter at all because it doesn't solve anything.[/QUOTE] It doesn't.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22770312]:raise:[/QUOTE] I was talking to Abyss, since he called me an idiot for believing what I do ):
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770314]Those numbers are human lives[/QUOTE] Human lives that are in no way effected by punishing Hitler.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22770316]It doesn't.[/QUOTE] And yet we do it, because...why do we do it?
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770322]I was talking to Abyss, since he called me an idiot for believing what I do ):[/QUOTE] So when you called me a stupid fuckstick before. . .? [editline]08:19AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770325]And yet we do it, because...why do we do it?[/QUOTE] Because of people like you who appeal to vengeful instinct?
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22770323]Human lives that are in no way effected by punishing Hitler.[/QUOTE] is this what you honestly believe, that just because they can't care means we shouldn't punish them?
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770332]is this what you honestly believe, that just because they can't care means we shouldn't punish them?[/QUOTE] What do you see that's wrong with that specifically?
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22770328]So when you called me a stupid fuckstick before. . .? [editline]08:19AM[/editline] Because of people like you who appeal to vengeful instinct?[/QUOTE] Ya huh, and nearly every human believes that murderers deserve a punishment in some way. And so...nearly every human is a vengeful idiot?
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770306]By your logic punishing murderers doesn't matter at all because it doesn't solve anything.[/QUOTE] rehabilitating them is a bad idea, I get that you think that. Trying to help people, being compassionate, human, you know, that shit you were crying out about before, is bad in this situation. Hypocritical shit. I am not saying do not punish them, actions have consequences, and the fact of the matter is, death is the one consequence there can be no rehabilitation from. There can be no change, no fix, nothing. If you fucked up and killed the wrong person, you fucked up. You know what? Go kill everyone you don't like, do it. I want you to, i want you to do it, and then scream that there is no blood on your hands because you were doing the right thing, you were eliminating a failure from the genepool. JUST LIKE HITLER.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22770340]What do you see that's wrong with that specifically?[/QUOTE] It's funny, I can't explain what's wrong with not punishing people who murder those. Except that my human instincts, and human intelligence and morality say it's wrong.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770346]Ya huh, and nearly every human believes that murderers deserve a punishment in some way. And so...nearly every human is a vengeful idiot?[/QUOTE] You act like every person agrees that they should be fucking killed like you, but they don't. They believe in a rational decision, not an emotional one. And fuck, if you want to talk about majority here? You know what? You're out numbered, so.. isn't... by your own logic... your argument... wrong?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22770347]rehabilitating them is a bad idea, I get that you think that. Trying to help people, being compassionate, human, you know, that shit you were crying out about before, is bad in this situation. Hypocritical shit. I am not saying do not punish them, actions have consequences, and the fact of the matter is, death is the one consequence there can be no rehabilitation from. There can be no change, no fix, nothing. If you fucked up and killed the wrong person, you fucked up. You know what? Go kill everyone you don't like, do it. I want you to, i want you to do it, and then scream that there is no blood on your hands because you were doing the right thing, you were eliminating a failure from the genepool. JUST LIKE HITLER.[/QUOTE] It's funny because if I were to assassinate Hitler during WW2 I'd be a hero
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770346]Ya huh, and nearly every human believes that murderers deserve a punishment in some way. And so...nearly every human is a vengeful idiot?[/QUOTE] That's because we evolved in an environment where such action was necessary. The same way we eat too much because we evolved in an environment with little food. Do you disagree with that notion? If so, why?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22770357]You act like every person agrees that they should be fucking killed like you, but they don't. They believe in a rational decision, not an emotional one. And fuck, if you want to talk about majority here? You know what? You're out numbered, so.. isn't... by your own logic... your argument... wrong?[/QUOTE] NO, every human thinks they deserve some sort of punishment.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770352]It's funny, I can't explain what's wrong with not punishing people who murder those. Except that my human instincts, and human intelligence and morality say it's wrong.[/QUOTE] Again, please, address to me why an emotional reaction is the best course of action, rather than a rational one.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770361]It's funny because if I were to assassinate Hitler during WW2 I'd be a hero[/QUOTE] Because then you would have effectively cut the head off of the Reich and caused it collapse faster, saving more lives. After he's been captured however, what you do to him is of no consequence whatsoever.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770368]NO, every human thinks they deserve some sort of punishment.[/QUOTE] And [b]WHERE THE FUCK DID WE SAY THEY DID NOT DESERVE ANY PUNISHMENT?[/b] Point out where I said that, and point out why rehabilitating the majority of murderers is wrong.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770368]NO, every human thinks they deserve some sort of punishment.[/QUOTE] I don't. So that's obviously not true.
Why the fuck is no one helping me with this argument, I know for god damn sure that I'm not the only person on FP that believes that torturers aren't to be treated the same as me. [editline]01:23AM[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22770377]And [B]WHERE THE FUCK DID WE SAY THEY DID NOT DESERVE ANY PUNISHMENT?[/B] Point out where I said that, and point out why rehabilitating the majority of murderers is wrong.[/QUOTE] Actually Scorpio did
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770380]Why the fuck is no one helping me with this argument, I know for god damn sure that I'm not the only person on FP that believes that torturers aren't to be treated the same as me. [editline]01:23AM[/editline] Actually Scorpio did[/QUOTE] Because you have no argument?
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770361]It's funny because if I were to assassinate Hitler during WW2 I'd be a hero[/QUOTE] Because, as you clearly never understood before, an immediate threat has to be dealt with quickly, and efficiently. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE.
Scorpio is honestly saying that punishing murderers doesn't make sense.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770387]Scorpio is honestly saying that punishing murderers doesn't make sense.[/QUOTE] Alright then, convince me. What do we accomplish by punishing criminals?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22770386]Because, as you clearly never understood before, an immediate threat has to be dealt with quickly, and efficiently. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE.[/QUOTE] But he's still a human and deserves all the rights ;(
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770380]Why the fuck is no one helping me with this argument, I know for god damn sure that I'm not the only person on FP that believes that torturers aren't to be treated the same as me. [editline]01:23AM[/editline] Actually Scorpio did[/QUOTE] And I'm not scorpio. And no one is helping you because 1) You have no argument, you have emotional reactions. and 2) because you aren't always right.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22770391]Alright then, convince me. What do we accomplish by punishing criminals?[/QUOTE] The fuck is this, are you even human [editline]01:26AM[/editline] You know what, I finally quit, Scorpio is an idiot who literally doesn't seem to have emotions, and Abyss doesn't listen to my morality, which is why this is a pointless argument anyway
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770398]The fuck is this, are you even human[/QUOTE] I keep asking questions and you refuse to answer them.
This is an argument about morality, neither of us are right.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770393]But he's still a human and deserves all the rights ;([/QUOTE] Immediate. Threat. When you are an immediate threat, and your death would save many others, then your death is warranted, but when his death would serve no purpose but your emotional satisfaction, you can get fucked because that is not right. Wow, did you fail philosophy 101, or did you just think you could some how bullshit your way through anything and everything?
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