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[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22770411]I keep asking questions and you refuse to answer them.[/QUOTE] Because I fucking can't, it's a normal human instinct to want to punish those that murder others. If you don't have that, you'll never understand it.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770413]This is an argument about morality, neither of us are right.[/QUOTE] Just answer my fucking questions already.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22770415]Immediate. Threat. When you are an immediate threat, and your death would save many others, then your death is warranted, but when his death would serve no purpose but your emotional satisfaction, you can get fucked because that is not right. Wow, did you fail philosophy 101, or did you just think you could some how bullshit your way through anything and everything?[/QUOTE] You realize that any punishment towards murderers are for emotional satisfaction, right? Like seriously, you think emotions don't matter at all, but it's all that matters for murders.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770418]Because I fucking can't, it's a normal human instinct to want to punish those that murder others. If you don't have that, you'll never understand it.[/QUOTE] I do have that instinct, I just don't listen to it because it makes no sense. Are you some testosterone fueled beast man who is incapable of making rational decisions? When you see a woman do you club her over the head and drag her back to your house?
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770398]The fuck is this, are you even human [editline]01:26AM[/editline] You know what, I finally quit, Scorpio is an idiot who literally doesn't seem to have emotions, and Abyss doesn't listen to my morality, which is why this is a pointless argument anyway[/QUOTE] [b]Yes, I don't agree with a morality that dictates harsh, immediate emotional reactions to every problem would be a good thing. yes, i am a fuckstick, an idiot, and whatever else you want to call me for this. Indeed.[/b] And scorpio is more right than you are, he wants them helped, he wants them fixed, he wants it so that if you kill someone, you can be helped if you are help-able, this is the most human thing in this thread. [b]It is more human, and more compassionate than anything you have spewed in this whole argument.[/b]
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22770424]I do have that instinct, I just don't listen to it because it makes no sense. Are you some testosterone fueled beast man who is incapable of making rational decisions? When you see a woman do you club her over the head and drag her back to your house?[/QUOTE] No one fucking agrees with you, I can honestly tell you that right now. No one agrees that murderers deserve no punishment, some think they should die, some agree they deserve fair treatment, but they all believe they deserve punishment in some way.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770423]You realize that any punishment towards murderers are for emotional satisfaction, right? Like seriously, you think emotions don't matter at all, but it's all that matters for murders.[/QUOTE] What does that achieve? What's the point in sacrificing human rights, inevitably harming innocents who are wrongly convicted, simply to achieve some sense of emotional satisfaction for a few people?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22770427][B]Yes, I don't agree with a morality that dictates harsh, immediate emotional reactions to every problem would be a good thing. yes, i am a fuckstick, an idiot, and whatever else you want to call me for this. Indeed.[/B] And scorpio is more right than you are, he wants them helped, he wants them fixed, he wants it so that if you kill someone, you can be helped if you are help-able, this is the most human thing in this thread. [B]It is more human, and more compassionate than anything you have spewed in this whole argument.[/B][/QUOTE] He wants them to not be punished at all.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770429]No one fucking agrees with you, I can honestly tell you that right now. No one agrees that murderers deserve no punishment, some think they should die, some agree they deserve fair treatment, but they all believe they deserve punishment in some way.[/QUOTE] Nearly everyone in the world agrees with me. Prove me wrong.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22770441]Nearly everyone in the world agrees with me. Prove me wrong.[/QUOTE] Go ask anyone on the fucking street, done. [editline]01:31AM[/editline] Make a thread about it, done.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770436]He wants them to not be punished at all.[/QUOTE] I want them neutralized until they can be brought to a state cohesive with society.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770423]You realize that any punishment towards murderers are for emotional satisfaction, right? Like seriously, you think emotions don't matter at all, but it's all that matters for murders.[/QUOTE] That's not right. Having an emotional response just to fix that solves what? It doesn't solve anything, it doesn't help, it doesn't do anything. It doesn't let anyone be fixed, or helped. Yes, there are ones that can not be helped, that are too far gone, and this is a shame, but their death still doesn't solve anything. It still doesn't fucking help. It's an emotional reaction when a rational reaction would be much better suited. [b]STOP FUCKING SAYING THAT AN EMOTIONAL RESPONSE BY THE LAW WOULD BE THE RIGHT THING, THE RIGHT WAY TO GO ABOUT THIS.[/B] The fact you don't get why this is bad is frightening, and really shows you are not qualified to talk about anything.
Use logic not morals, what are we in the Dark Ages?
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770445]Go ask anyone on the fucking street, done. [editline]01:31AM[/editline] Make a thread about it, done.[/QUOTE] Anecdotal evidence. Proves nothing about what the majority of the population thinks. Try again.
My god Gummy, I leave for nearly 100 posts and you still don't understand how hypocritical your worldview is. And stop using the god damned popular opinion argument, we tore that down already.
My god Zeke, are you reading what Scorpio is saying? [editline]01:33AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22770457]Anecdotal evidence. Proves nothing about what the majority of the population thinks. Try again.[/QUOTE] Are you honestly retarded enough to think that humans don't think that murderers don't deserve punishment
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770465]My god Zeke, are you reading what Scorpio is saying?[/QUOTE] Yes he is, I'm sure of it. And yet, he still sees the reason in what he's saying because you have no idea what YOU'RE saying.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770465]My god Zeke, are you reading what Scorpio is saying?[/QUOTE] I've been reading this thread from the beginning.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770465]My god Zeke, are you reading what Scorpio is saying? [editline]01:33AM[/editline] Are you honestly retarded enough to think that humans don't think that murderers don't deserve punishment[/QUOTE] Are you honestly retarded enough to think that humans think murderers shouldn't be helped?
And do you agree that punishing murderers shouldn't happen?
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770465]My god Zeke, are you reading what Scorpio is saying? [editline]01:33AM[/editline] Are you honestly retarded enough to think that humans don't think that murderers don't deserve punishment[/QUOTE] Are you honestly retarded enough to think they do?
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770465]Are you honestly retarded enough to think that humans don't think that murderers don't deserve punishment[/QUOTE] It's not my place to decide morality but I've sure decided upon your level of intelligence
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22770481]Are you honestly retarded enough to think they do?[/QUOTE] I hope you're trolling
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770488]I hope you're trolling[/QUOTE] I'm saying exactly what you're saying. So if I'm trolling, you are too.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22770452]That's not right. Having an emotional response just to fix that solves what? It doesn't solve anything, it doesn't help, it doesn't do anything. It doesn't let anyone be fixed, or helped. Yes, there are ones that can not be helped, that are too far gone, and this is a shame, but their death still doesn't solve anything. It still doesn't fucking help. It's an emotional reaction when a rational reaction would be much better suited. [b]STOP FUCKING SAYING THAT AN EMOTIONAL RESPONSE BY THE LAW WOULD BE THE RIGHT THING, THE RIGHT WAY TO GO ABOUT THIS.[/B] The fact you don't get why this is bad is frightening, and really shows you are not qualified to talk about anything.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770480]And do you agree that punishing murderers shouldn't happen?[/QUOTE] What is punishment other than petty revenge? You neutralize the threat. You protect the public. Then you stop. Satisfying your bloodlust makes you as bad as the criminal.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;22770485]It's not my place to decide morality but I've sure decided upon your level of intelligence[/QUOTE] I'm not dumb because I disagree on a moral fucking choice. Get over it, I disagree with your morals, which is what a lot of people do (it's normal to think the way I do), I'm not dumb because of it.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770501]I'm not dumb because I disagree on a moral fucking choice. Get over it, I disagree with your morals, which is what a lot of people do (it's normal to think the way I do), I'm not dumb because of it.[/QUOTE] How aren't you dumb? Because you have yet to answer a single one of my questions so far. That sounds like someone who doesn't know what they're talking about.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770501]I'm not dumb because I disagree on a moral fucking choice. Get over it, I disagree with your morals, which is what a lot of people do (it's normal to think the way I do), I'm not dumb because of it.[/QUOTE] You're dumb because of the rampant hypocrisy.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770501]I'm not dumb because I disagree on a moral fucking choice. Get over it, I disagree with your morals, which is what a lot of people do (it's normal to think the way I do), I'm not dumb because of it.[/QUOTE] Is it a good thing that it is normal to think an emotional response is the BEST fucking thing to do? That's not good, you're a fucking idiot if you REALLY think that majority = the best views.
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