Monster gets 422 years for 19-hour rape and torture of Columbia student
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I can't answer your questions, I can't tell you why it's right to punish murderers. It just is.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770515]I can't answer your questions, I can't tell you why it's right to punish murderers. It just is.[/QUOTE]
So why can't I use the logic that it just isn't?
Majority rules, and you are the vast fucking minority. By your own admission, this makes you view wrong. Fuck off.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;22770510]You're dumb because of the rampant hypocrisy.[/QUOTE]
Do you know how hard it is to defend yourself from 3 people at once? I can't keep my composure, I can't do this alone.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770515]I can't answer your questions, I can't tell you why it's right to punish murderers. It just is.[/QUOTE]
Emotional response is better than a logical one. Why?
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770515]I can't answer your questions, I can't tell you why it's right to punish murderers. It just is.[/QUOTE]
What you're basically saying is that two wrongs make a right, yet you can't explain why.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770524]Do you know how hard it is to defend yourself from 3 people at once? I can't keep my composure, I can't do this alone.[/QUOTE]
What do you mean? You just admitted that you have no reason to believe that you're right except for because you feel that way.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770524]Do you know how hard it is to defend yourself from 3 people at once? I can't keep my composure, I can't do this alone.[/QUOTE]
Everyone of us has done that, MULTIPLE times on this site. We've all done it, and we still answer basic questions while having a real fucking argument.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;22770528]What you're basically saying is that two wrongs make a right, yet you can't explain why.[/QUOTE]
Do you think it's wrong to punish murderers? They murdered a person, they shouldn't be allowed to just walk around...
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770524]Do you know how hard it is to defend yourself from 3 people at once? I can't keep my composure, I can't do this alone.[/QUOTE]
According to you, the three of us are taking on millions.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22770532]Everyone of us has done that, MULTIPLE times on this site. We've all done it, and we still answer basic questions while having a real fucking argument.[/QUOTE]
Well I'm not able to do it, this isn't your arguments about politics, this is an argument about morality, one I can't explain. Some people just can't explain why they think the way they do, and this is that.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770534]Do you think it's wrong to punish murderers? They murdered a person, they shouldn't be allowed to just walk around...[/QUOTE]
They should be jailed. If it can be ensured that they will never murder another, they can be released.
Jail is not a punishment, it is a rehabilitation. If that isn't possible, it's the neutralization of a threat.
Capital punishment is just that, a punishment. No chance of rehabilitation. You could say that it is also neutralizing a threat, but you have to make a murderer to dispose of one this way.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22770530]What do you mean? You just admitted that you have no reason to believe that you're right except for because you feel that way.[/QUOTE]
Welcome to Morality? That's how it works kid.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770534]Do you think it's wrong to punish murderers? They murdered a person, they shouldn't be allowed to just walk around...[/QUOTE]
Of course they shouldn't.
That is, unless they've been rehabilitated as to be no longer a threat to society at large.
Norway has this system I believe, and it works marvelously for them.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770546]Well I'm not able to do it, this isn't your arguments about politics, this is an argument about morality, one I can't explain. Some people just can't explain why they think the way they do, and this is that.[/QUOTE]
Because you believe an emotional response is a GOOD idea? That's why you're losing, you're fighting an argument that basically starts out as a bad idea.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770551]Welcome to Morality? That's how it works kid.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't for us three, so obviously not.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22770552]Of course they shouldn't.
That is, unless they've been rehabilitated as to be no longer a threat to society at large.
Norway has this system I believe, and it works marvelously for them.[/QUOTE]
Maximum sentence in Norway is 21 years, and repeat offenders are very very rare. Yet in North America, repeat offenders are common. This is because we're punishing people instead of rehabilitating them.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770551]Welcome to Morality? That's how it works kid.[/QUOTE]
Which is why having a moral structure based on emotional relief is a fucking bad idea. If you can't explain it, or at least rationalize it, it's a bad idea.
You know what? I lost, I lost the argument. You heard it here folks, I admit to losing.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770584]You know what? I lost, I lost the argument. You heard it here folks, I admit to losing.[/QUOTE]
Stop being such a baby.
Jeez, I admit to losing and I'm a baby?
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Good to know even when I admit I'm wrong, I'm a loser baby.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770584]You know what? I lost, I lost the argument. You heard it here folks, I admit to losing.[/QUOTE]
If you wish to attempt to explain your beliefs I will be civil should the argument continue.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770604]Jeez, I admit to losing and I'm a baby?
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Good to know even when I admit I'm wrong, I'm a loser baby.[/QUOTE]
I don't think you are gummy.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22770596]Stop being such a baby.[/QUOTE]
He admitted he was wrong, how is that being a baby.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;22770612]If you wish to attempt to explain your beliefs I will be civil should the argument continue.[/QUOTE]
Like Abyss said, it truly is emotionally driven, I hate murderers, torturers, I believe they are inferior creatures and do not deserve respect.
You may think that's a ridiculous view to hold, but it's how I was raised...and yes, it isn't uncommon at all to think that way.
I won't advocate the death penalty, I believe at some point...it's deserving, but that's just my belief. I believe that some people are so nasty, so awful that they shouldn't deserve to live. I know I know, jeez that sure is awful, but again, that's what I believe.
I don't want to argue anymore, it's pointless arguing, you can't change my mind, and I can't change your's.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22770596]Stop being such a baby.[/QUOTE]
Scorpio!
He'll sting you with his dreams, of power and wealth.
Beware of... Scorpio!
His twisted twin obsessions are his plot to rule the world
And his employee's health.
He'll welcome you into his lair
Like the nobleman welcomes his guest!
With free dental care and a stock plan that helps you invest!
But beware of his generous pensions
Plus three weeks paid vacation each year
And on Fridays the lunch room serves hot dogs and burgers and beer!
He loves German beer!
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22770618]I don't think you are gummy.[/QUOTE]
Thank you.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;22770633]Scorpio!
He'll sting you with his dreams, of power and wealth.
Beware of... Scorpio!
His twisted twin obsessions are his plot to rule the world
And his employee's health.
He'll welcome you into his lair
Like the nobleman welcomes his guest!
With free dental care and a stock plan that helps you invest!
But beware of his generous pensions
Plus three weeks paid vacation each year
And on Fridays the lunch room serves hot dogs and burgers and beer!
He loves German beer![/QUOTE]
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/26/Scorpio_with_Bont.png[/img]
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22770630]Like Abyss said, it truly is emotionally driven, I hate murderers, torturers, I believe they are inferior creatures and do not deserve respect.
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Let's say you have a son. You find out he killed someone. Would you wish death upon him?
asterisks everywhere
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[QUOTE=Zeke129;22770652]Let's say you have a son. You find out he killed someone. Would you wish death upon him?[/QUOTE]
Like I said, I think there is a point where it's so bad they don't deserve to live. Not one murder is that.
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Jeez, I've posted 104 times in this thread, it feels like 200 I swear.
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