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What if he wants to die Which he probably will
[QUOTE=lulzbocks;22813209]How exactly?[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.amnestyusa.org/death-penalty/death-penalty-facts/death-penalty-cost/page.do?id=1101084[/url] [editline]10:15PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Gummylamb;22813234]What if he wants to die[/QUOTE] doesn't matter [QUOTE=Gummylamb;22813234]Which he probably will[/QUOTE] your point? that doesn't mean someone has the right to kill him
So even if he wants to die, he should continue suffering? Jeez, and you think the death penalty is bad.
[QUOTE=JDK721;22813279][url]http://www.amnestyusa.org/death-penalty/death-penalty-facts/death-penalty-cost/page.do?id=1101084[/url][/QUOTE] That didn't explain how it was more expensive. It just said "it is". Also their argument at the bottom is junk. "Lol we need to spend less money on transportation because we could use it to stop child abuse. THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!"
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22813317]So even if he wants to die, he should continue suffering?[/QUOTE] if he really wants to die that bad then he'll most likely commit suicide and regardless, if someone is suicidal you're supposed to HELP them. not say, "k, I'll kill you." what is wrong with you [editline]10:18PM[/editline] [QUOTE=lulzbocks;22813334]That didn't explain how it was more expensive.[/QUOTE] are you blind [quote]The greatest costs associated with the death penalty occur prior to and during trial, not in post-conviction proceedings. Even if all post-conviction proceedings (appeals) were abolished, the death penalty would still be more expensive than alternative sentences. * Trials in which the prosecutor is seeking a death sentence have two separate and distinct phases: conviction (guilt/innocence) and sentencing. Special motions and extra time for jury selection typically precede such trials. * More investigative costs are generally incurred in capital cases, particularly by the prosecution. * When death penalty trials result in a verdict less than death or are reversed, taxpayers first incur all the extra costs of capital pretrial and trial proceedings and must then also pay either for the cost of incarcerating the prisoner for life or the costs of a retrial (which often leads to a life sentence).[/quote]
[QUOTE=JDK721;22813347]if he really wants to die that bad then he'll most likely commit suicide and regardless, if someone is suicidal you're supposed to HELP them. not say, "k, I'll kill you." what is wrong with you[/QUOTE] I think he's talking about terminally ill patients and the like.
His grave will be in a jail. Imperial guard: Hope you rot, criminal scum!.
[QUOTE=lulzbocks;22813377]I think he's talking about terminally ill patients and the like.[/QUOTE] that's another subject then
[QUOTE=JDK721;22813347]if he really wants to die that bad then he'll most likely commit suicide and regardless, if someone is suicidal you're supposed to HELP them. not say, "k, I'll kill you." what is wrong with you [editline]10:18PM[/editline] are you blind[/QUOTE] Good luck helping someone like this guy
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22813414]Good luck helping someone like this guy[/QUOTE] because you don't think he can be helped you want to murder him lol
[QUOTE=JDK721;22813347]are you blind[/QUOTE] No I'm not. First of all, it mentions these "special motions" as if capital cases were the only ones that had them. For the second point, same thing. "Oh the police only actually try if it's a capital case." Their last point is the only one that makes sense to me, and even then, I'm inclined not to believe every single thing they say because they gave no numbers to work with. However, most cases do have many appeals, and, unfortunately, do cost buttloads of money.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;22778950]Do you agree with having a military?[/QUOTE] Yeah. I don't usually agree with the stuff they're doing though. Oh shit it's THIS thread, I just clicked the new posts button randomly and saw that someone asked me a question
Poor rapist... :sigh:
[QUOTE=soderholm13;22813490]Poor rapist... :sigh:[/QUOTE] Unfunny troll
[QUOTE=lulzbocks;22813456]No I'm not.[/QUOTE] [url]http://deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty[/url] [editline]10:26PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;22813488]Yeah. I don't usually agree with the stuff they're doing though.[/QUOTE] especially the US military Canada's approach is much better
I'll play both sides for a minute: [b]PRO DEATH PENALTY[/b] 1) It's a punishment for the most severe offenders 2) Some people are not able to be rehabilitated [b]REBUTTAL BY ANTI-DEATH PENALTY ADVOCATES[/b] 1) Justice systems based around rehabilitation are more effective at stopping repeat offenders than justice systems based around punishment 2) Life in prison can serve the same purpose without resorting to murder I can't think of any pro-death penalty arguments that can't be shot down. However: [b]ANTI-DEATH PENALTY[/b] 1) It isn't the government's place to say who lives and who dies 2) An eye for an eye makes the world blind [b]REBUTTAL BY PRO-DEATH PENALTY ADVOCATES[/b] 1) Yes it is 2) No it doesn't Can someone fix those for me without using circular reasoning, please?
[QUOTE=JDK721;22813524][url]http://deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty[/url][/QUOTE] Thank you. I see your point. [QUOTE]especially the US military Canada's approach is much better[/QUOTE] Good luck getting the U.N. to function at all.
[QUOTE=JDK721;22813524]especially the US military Canada's approach is much better[/QUOTE] Look at our involvement in Afghanistan. We're not peacekeepers, we're fighting the same war you guys are. So no, I don't think our military is much better.
Facepunch should find his cellmate and send him tools too gouge out this monster's eyeballs, and do the rest of that shit.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;22813676]Look at our involvement in Afghanistan. We're not peacekeepers, we're fighting the same war you guys are. So no, I don't think our military is much better.[/QUOTE] most likely because Canada is a strong ally of the US and the US asked them for help and they only have a couple thousand troops there Canada isn't the best example, but they still utilize their military much better than the US does
[QUOTE=JDK721;22813740]most likely because Canada is a strong ally of the US and the US asked them for help [/QUOTE] Didn't get us into Iraq.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;22813886]Didn't get us into Iraq.[/QUOTE] because invading Iraq isn't even justifiable Afghanistan is at least some what understandable
[QUOTE=JDK721;22812992]executing someone costs more than putting them away for life point is void[/QUOTE] Why don't we just walk them into a back room and shoot them in the head with a fucking shotgun? That costs about .35 cents plus what you have to pay for the executioner. Also, that first link is talking mostly about death penalty cases and proceedings, not the cost of feeding, clothing, and entertaining the prisoner for life vs. the actual 30min execution. That second link however is more revealing. How interesting. Why do we pay money out the ass compared to normal prisoners just so we can kill them? What the fuck is this shit? I seriously don't get it. They stay in the same same jail, in relatively the same cells, only under slightly different guard details, and eat most of the same food. It should not cost even remotely as much to keep one man in jail for 10 years then kill him as it does to keep someone in jail for 60-70 years until he dies of old age or gets stabbed. As I said, I think it's the court system is for some reason costing so much more. Why is it in a case they have to SEEK to convict with the death penalty? Why can't the case go on as a normal case, and after the verdict is assigned the judge, jury, prosecutor, and/or defense attorney negotiate what the punishment should be? God I hate this fucking court system.
[QUOTE=NecronLord15;22814159]Why don't we just walk them into a back room and shoot them in the head with a fucking shotgun? That costs about .35 cents plus what you have to pay for the executioner. Also, that first link is talking mostly about death penalty cases and proceedings, not the cost of feeding, clothing, and entertaining the prisoner for life vs. the actual 30min execution. That second link however is more revealing. How interesting. Why do we pay money out the ass compared to normal prisoners just so we can kill them? What the fuck is this shit? I seriously don't get it. They stay in the same same jail, in relatively the same cells, only under slightly different guard details, and eat most of the same food. It should not cost even remotely as much to keep one man in jail for 10 years then kill him as it does to keep someone in jail for 60-70 years until he dies of old age or gets stabbed. As I said, I think it's the court system is for some reason costing so much more. Why is it in a case they have to SEEK to convict with the death penalty? Why can't the case go on as a normal case, and after the verdict is assigned the judge, jury, prosecutor, and/or defense attorney negotiate what the punishment should be? God I hate this fucking court system.[/QUOTE] What if he's really innocent?
[QUOTE=NecronLord15;22814159] Why is it in a case they have to SEEK to convict with the death penalty?[/QUOTE] Checks and balances.
[QUOTE=lulzbocks;22814202]What if he's really innocent?[/QUOTE] I didn't mean that that is what we should do once they get convicted. There is this thing with the lethal injection where they put you to sleep, then inject the thing that kills you. If the executioner does not inject the proper levels of the first chemical then there are really fucked up consequences. They stay awake the entire time as the second chemical is injected into their arm. They feel the worst pain they will ever feel as their organs begin to fail. Imagine every singe ounce of who you are as a person on fire. They feel that for the last 20 min of their death, and there is autopsy reports to prove it. That sounds pretty cruel and unusual to me. That's what I meant with the shotgun thing. I don't remember why I brought it up. No one said anything about pain or cruel and unusual.
[QUOTE=NecronLord15;22814438]I didn't mean that that is what we should do once they get convicted. There is this thing with the lethal injection where they put you to sleep, then inject the thing that kills you. If the executioner does not inject the proper levels of this then there are really fucked up consequences. They stay awake the entire time as the chemical in injected into their arms. They feel the worst pain they will ever feel as their organs begin to fail. Imagine every singe ounce of who you are as a person on fire. They feel that for the last 20 min of their death, and there is autopsy reports to prove it. That sounds pretty cruel and unusual to me. That's what I meant with the shotgun thing. I don't remember why I brought it up. No one said anything about pain or cruel and unusual.[/QUOTE] Because a person lying there perfectly still [i]looks[/i] better to the public than someone having their brain splattered all over the wall. Do you really think the method of execution is for the benefit of the victim? No, it's for the benefit of the audience. People just prefer to believe that the guy isn't in horrible agony and they feel better inside. And isn't that all that matters in this society? That the unpleasantries are swept under the rug?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;22814473]Because a person lying there perfectly still [i]looks[/i] better to the public than someone having their brain splattered all over the wall. Do you really think the method of execution is for the benefit of the victim? No, it's for the benefit of the audience. People just prefer to believe that the guy isn't in horrible agony and they feel better inside.[/QUOTE] Why let the public watch the guy get shot in the head? Shit I see the flaw in that. Either way, what the public sees and what the law defines as "Cruel and Unusual Punishment" are two separate things. [QUOTE=Zeke129;22814473]And isn't that all that matters in this society? That the unpleasantries are swept under the rug?[/QUOTE] Blissful ignorance [I]is[/I] sometimes better then enlightened sorrow.
[quote]The defendant, by his own conduct, has forfeited his right to liberty or to the hope of liberty.[/quote]the defendant, by doin what he wanted to, has forfeited the right of doin what he wants to.
[QUOTE=NecronLord15;22814516]Why let the public watch the guy get shot in the head? Shit I see the flaw in that. Either way, what the public sees and what the law defines as "Cruel and Unusual Punishment" are two separate things. Blissful ignorance [I]is[/I] sometimes better then enlightened sorrow.[/QUOTE] It isn't expensive to kill them. It's cheap as fuck to kill them. It's incredibly expensive to verify they are guilty enough.
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