Monster gets 422 years for 19-hour rape and torture of Columbia student
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[QUOTE=NecronLord15;22814516]Blissful ignorance [I]is[/I] sometimes better then enlightened sorrow.[/QUOTE]
Nah. I disagree. I'd rather be informed and depressed than ignorant and happy.
Although with the latter I suppose I wouldn't know the difference.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;22819435]Nah. I disagree. I'd rather be informed and depressed than ignorant and happy.
Although with the latter I suppose I wouldn't know the difference.[/QUOTE]
I for one would rather be happy as long as people aren't dying for literally no reason
422 years but eligible for parole in 50, such a joke.
[QUOTE=RoBaDoB;22820591]422 years but eligible for parole in 50, such a joke.[/QUOTE]
he'll be 81 then
and they can deny him parole if they feel he's still a threat
[QUOTE=JDK721;22824068]he'll be 81 then
and they can deny him parole if they feel he's still a threat[/QUOTE]
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Dammit it worked for a while.
It was Red from shawshank.
Wow, the gouging....that was too much.
He deserves the death penalty.
No apparently he doesn't sonic
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22830396]No apparently he doesn't sonic[/QUOTE]
Yes he does.
Even if he's in jail he is still enjoying the gift of life.
Tell the prisoners that if you rape the guy for 19 years you get to be set free.
Apparently that is a right that no matter what you do, should never be taken away
The evils that men do...
[QUOTE=sonicrjk;22830582]Yes he does.
Even if he's in jail he is still enjoying the gift of life.[/QUOTE]
He is mocking someone. His post was not to be taken seriously.
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[QUOTE=Ragamuffin.;22830684]Tell the prisoners that if you rape the guy for 19 years you get to be set free.[/QUOTE]
Can't forget about the whole eye gouging part.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22830698]Apparently that is a right that no matter what you do, should never be taken away[/QUOTE]
Yeah, lets just.. Idk, kill everyone that kills anyone because logically, that stops the fucking killing.
Jesus christ, debating with you is like fist fighting with a retard. They'll whine and scream a lot, throw punches that don't even come close to you, say they lose, you win, and then keep going, all while still having done nothing at all, but just never giving up.
We've debated this over and over again, and you KNOW you simply want to make an emotional choice and guide mankind with emotional choices. I don't see why you think this is a good idea, it's something no one thinks is a good idea. We should not be deciding things for anyone based on emotional choices, you can be up for the death penalty, you can kill someone based on a rational logical choice, mainly, it saves lives, and it's a GOOD choice, but if you're doing it for the reasons you want, punishment, vengeance, and you're bullshit, eye for an eye, blood on my hands zealotry bullshit, you should shut the fuck up, and realize that you are dead wrong. I just don't get your abysmal lack of reasoning, logic, whatever you want to call it. You're deciding things with emotional choices for reasons that aren't even logically sound, and you're calling us un-emotional heartless retards. We don't WANT to kill people, YOU do. We want to HELP them, rehabilitate them, you can't do that if you just fucking kill them.
Gah, fuck this argument, you're an idiot, and I'm not even in a small minority that thinks you are.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22834647]We don't WANT to kill people, YOU do. We want to HELP them, rehabilitate them, you can't do that if you just fucking kill them.
[/QUOTE]
Who's "we"?
I'm not trying insinuate anything, I am genuinely asking: Who are you referring to when you say "we" in this sentence?
Also, some people can't be helped. Some people no matter what you try are either incapable of saving or are not worth saving.
They are worth studying though. They often provide once in a decade incite into the way that the human mind works. (Talking about sociopaths and psychopaths)
People like Dennis Rader, Gary Ridgway, John Wayne Gacy, and Jeffrey Dahmer, and the new found Robert Williams are people, who no matter how hard you tried, the chances of rehabilitating them to the point of permanent nonagression would probably end up being an effort into futility; A waste of resources to even attempt.
But put to them in an MRI and ask them questions, to study them...that is the only real thing you can do with them aside from making them write a book. The information that they could provide into the field of psychopathy would be insurmountable.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22834647]Yeah, lets just.. Idk, kill everyone that kills anyone because logically, that stops the fucking killing.
Jesus christ, debating with you is like fist fighting with a retard. They'll whine and scream a lot, throw punches that don't even come close to you, say they lose, you win, and then keep going, all while still having done nothing at all, but just never giving up.
We've debated this over and over again, and you KNOW you simply want to make an emotional choice and guide mankind with emotional choices. I don't see why you think this is a good idea, it's something no one thinks is a good idea. We should not be deciding things for anyone based on emotional choices, you can be up for the death penalty, you can kill someone based on a rational logical choice, mainly, it saves lives, and it's a GOOD choice, but if you're doing it for the reasons you want, punishment, vengeance, and you're bullshit, eye for an eye, blood on my hands zealotry bullshit, you should shut the fuck up, and realize that you are dead wrong. I just don't get your abysmal lack of reasoning, logic, whatever you want to call it. You're deciding things with emotional choices for reasons that aren't even logically sound, and you're calling us un-emotional heartless retards. We don't WANT to kill people, YOU do. We want to HELP them, rehabilitate them, you can't do that if you just fucking kill them.
Gah, fuck this argument, you're an idiot, and I'm not even in a small minority that thinks you are.[/QUOTE]
apparently you're mad
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22835232]apparently you're mad[/QUOTE]
just ignore all his points and don't refute them
that's cool
apparently we should be giving murderers a golden chance to have a totally normal life, something they took away from some other possibly innocent human.
apparently i'm an idiot for thinking that they don't deserve to have a normal life
apparently
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22835266]apparently we should be giving murderers a golden chance to have a totally normal life, something they took away from some other possibly innocent human.
apparently i'm an idiot for thinking that they don't deserve to have a normal life
apparently[/QUOTE]
are you going to refute him or just be an idiot as usual
Don't worry JDK, I understand what you guys are saying, and I agree for the most part, hell, I agree with you all together.
Now go rage at someone else for not agreeing with you
[QUOTE=NecronLord15;22835140]Who's "we"?
I'm not trying insinuate anything, I am genuinely asking: Who are you referring to when you say "we" in this sentence?
Also, some people can't be helped. Some people no matter what you try are either incapable of saving or are not worth saving.
They are worth studying though. They often provide once in a decade incite into the way that the human mind works. (Talking about sociopaths and psychopaths)
People like Dennis Rader, Gary Ridgway, John Wayne Gacy, and Jeffrey Dahmer, and the new found Robert Williams are people, who no matter how hard you tried, the chances of rehabilitating them to the point of permanent nonagression would probably end up being an effort into futility; A waste of resources to even attempt.
But put to them in an MRI and ask them questions, to study them...that is the only real thing you can do with them aside from making them write a book. The information that they could provide into the field of psychopathy would be insurmountable.[/QUOTE]
We refers to my side on the argument, zeke, scorpio, etc, and anyone that shares our view point.
It also doesn't matter if they can't be helped. We, as a people, don't have the right to kill them when they are not a threat. If they are to continue to kill, if they kept going, then yes, we could safely kill them because that is obviously a reasonable, sane, logical choice. If we are just to say "Lol no, PUNISHMENT" and kill them, that solves nothing. It in fact, creates a bigger problem, that no one on the other side of the argument has dealt with so far.
And sure, they could be studied, Jeffrey Dahmer was studied quite extensively, as are most serial killers with an obvious problem. That's fine, but killing them is wrong. The only REASON anyone wants to kill them is punishment, the biggest problem with doing it for that reason is, it serves no fucking purpose what so ever, and just furthers the blood lust and zealotry. It's hypocritical, and it's fucking dangerous to give the government that power. If it wasn't this, eye for an eye, punishment, retribution bullshit, it wouldn't be so bad, but that is the sole reason ANYONE has come up with for the death penalty, and to be 100% fair and honest, that's not, and never could, never will be, and never is, a good reason to kill someone.
Why is it hard to get that retribution, emotional choices, and giving the government the power to kill it's own citizens, the extreme amount of money spent on proving without a doubt, that the person is in fact the guilty one, the mental trauma suffered by the killer(I don't give a fuck about this, but it is a point), the fact death is permanent and leaves no chance for rehabilitation, and the number one point freely ignored, Human rights are inalienable, and deciding arbitrarily you can take them down and decide the fate of man is wrong. There is no if ands or buts about this, it's fucking wrong, and not to mention, it brings up an endless slippery slope deal.
Death penalty, there is no reason for it beyond retribution, and that is a bad reason, and doesn't overcome the fucking wall of reasons against it. But, gummy will just say it's "obvious" and we're "deluded" to think people deserve to keep their lives, and insist he's right because he is an emotionally driven cretin.
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[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22835232]apparently you're mad[/QUOTE]
Mad as insane? No. Mad as in angry? no, I'm frustrated.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22835362]Now go rage at someone else for not agreeing with you[/QUOTE]
your reading comprehension is terrible. do us a favor and sign up for a few reading classes
you're a blood thirsty 13 year old who wants to murder murderers
you don't see anything wrong with murdering murderers
lol
Hell, Gummy, i'm waiting for some sort of attempt at refutation because you've still in the entire scope of this argument, never refuted one fucking point. Just blathered on.
MY reading comprehension is terrible? I just agreed with you.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22835416]Hell, Gummy, i'm waiting for some sort of attempt at refutation because you've still in the entire scope of this argument, never refuted one fucking point. Just blathered on.[/QUOTE]
he doesn't have an argument
it's "they deserve to die because I said so. that's my opinion, and I'm not changing it no matter what. end of story."
I don't really understand your whole "government power to kill own citizens"
It isn't like they don't already do that to other countries with war.
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[QUOTE=JDK721;22835431]he doesn't have an argument
it's "they deserve to die because I said so. that's my opinion, and I'm not changing it no matter what. end of story."[/QUOTE]
Did you totally ignore the part where i agreed with you guys
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22835446]Did you totally ignore the part where i agreed with you guys[/QUOTE]
so you agree that the death penalty should be abolished?
Yeah, it costs too much anyway
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22835446]I don't really understand your whole "government power to kill own citizens"
It isn't like they don't already do that to other countries with war.
[editline]04:11PM[/editline]
Did you totally ignore the part where i agreed with you guys[/QUOTE]
It's just another point not worth passing. By giving the government the ability to say "these people are worthy of death based on arbitrary rules" you're not learning from history at all if you let that happen.
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