• Body camera footage of Dylan Noble shooting released by Fresno Police Department
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[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;50707793]I don't know if I agree with shooting him on the ground. I feel like two adults sized males could have easily rushed him to restrain his arms after he was shot.[/QUOTE] What if he pulled out a gun? what if he was on painkillers and could have easily pulled said gun out? Why should the cops risk their lives on the off chance that he'll suddenly cooperate? I'm not saying they shouldn't have, just guessing why they wouldn't do it. Police work is already risk after all.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;50709128]From the distance of the camera to the suspect it only looked like a few feet, two Officers could have easily immobilized his entire body in a matter of seconds. Though I'm not experienced in LE restraint but I am in a Hospital setting with combative patients.[/QUOTE] If he did have a weapon though (as it seems he was trying to imply) that would be questionable. I have similar training as you for restraints so I'm sure you know very well how a persons position can change even in those few seconds.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;50709128]From the distance of the camera to the suspect it only looked like a few feet, two Officers could have easily immobilized his entire body in a matter of seconds. Though I'm not experienced in LE restraint but I am in a Hospital setting with combative patients.[/QUOTE] what if he had a bomb? a grenade? theres so many possibilities and you have to weigh all your options in a matter of seconds. even on the ground, he was reaching for his back pocket, which could have had a trigger. theres so many 'what ifs' in scenarios like this.
Still, cop could put some time and effort into this situation. I understand cop was at risk but cop should be much more patient and understanding.
it sounded like he said something along the lines of "I fucking hate me life" around 5:15 or am I wrong? woops im a dingus, its in the source.
[QUOTE=Fourier;50709338]Still, cop could put some time and effort into this situation. I understand cop was at risk but cop should be much more patient and understanding.[/QUOTE] but he was literally asking him to put his hands up for 3 minutes.while the dude still had a hand behind his back/clutching something, and was stepping toward police. how much more patient and understanding could you get? so you expect him to be right up to the police officer before the officer takes any action? seriously dude.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;50707793]I don't know if I agree with shooting him on the ground. I feel like two adults sized males could have easily rushed him to restrain his arms after he was shot.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Blizzerd;50707426]Lets stop cops from just stepping out of their vehicles guns blazing and chugging explosive robots first, THEN actually try to get them to use nonlethals and disarming tactics on possibly armed perps.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Gishank;50707259]Whilst the video certainly paints a much clearer picture of the situation, I do find it rather odd that the officers made no attempt to disarm and restrain him.[/QUOTE] Apparently we should just hire football players in bullet-proof riot gear, because that's what people expect our cops to be. Every situation can be resolved if we just charge them down, right? [QUOTE=Thomo_UK;50707411]To be fair if British police were in the same situation it would been the same outcome instead no bullets but tazers. [/QUOTE] British Police aren't up against the kind of criminals we have in America, they're not trained or equipped to deal with them. The worse they have to worry about is someone trying to stab or bludgeon them.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;50709730]Apparently we should just hire football players in bullet-proof riot gear, because that's what people expect our cops to be. Every situation can be resolved if we just charge them down, right? British Police aren't up against the kind of criminals we have in America, they're not trained or equipped to deal with them. The worse they have to worry about is someone trying to stab or bludgeon them.[/QUOTE] You don't need to be a football player to immobilize someone on the ground, you just need to place weight in the correct areas and immobilize the limbs. Like I said though, I have no problem with them shooting him prior to him being on the ground but I question the necessity of shooting him twice more.
[QUOTE=Naught;50709504]but he was literally asking him to put his hands up for 3 minutes.while the dude still had a hand behind his back/clutching something, and was stepping toward police. how much more patient and understanding could you get? so you expect him to be right up to the police officer before the officer takes any action? seriously dude.[/QUOTE] Shoot him into leg or some other low-risk area and immobilize him.
[QUOTE=Fourier;50709891]Shoot him into leg or some other low-risk area and immobilize him.[/QUOTE] No such thing as a low-risk area when you're dealing with hot lead propelled faster than the speed of sound.
[QUOTE=Fourier;50709891]Shoot him into leg or some other low-risk area and immobilize him.[/QUOTE] low risk? it gets a single artery, he could be a dead man before help arrives, assuming somebody does first aid in the first place
[QUOTE=Megadave;50707562]There should be no benefit of the doubt when it comes to murder.[/QUOTE] Good thing this wasn't a murder then.
[QUOTE=Fourier;50709891]Shoot him into leg or some other low-risk area and immobilize him.[/QUOTE] someone who gets shot in the leg can easily shoot back, and die later. its not like they were 3 feet in front of them, that was easily a few yards. why would they risk their own lives? this isnt a tv show, shootouts dont always end with the guy getting shot non-lethally.
[QUOTE=Fourier;50709891]Shoot him into leg or some other low-risk area and immobilize him.[/QUOTE] Real life isn't the movies. Getting shot doesn't just magically disable you. Most gunshot wounds aren't instantly fatal. What kills you in most cases is internal bleeding and hematoma. Shooting someone in the leg could hit some major arteries and kill them in seconds. It could just as easily, if not more so, accomplish nothing but inflicting pain. It doesn't magically render someone unable to fire back. It doesn't prevent them from struggling. It barely makes them less lethal, if it does so at all. All that assuming that you can hit a smaller, rapidly moving target, instead of center mass. People like you should put in 5 minutes of effort to get your heads out of your assess, and do some actual fucking research for once in your lives. You are woefully ignorant, and there's no excuse for being so when all the facts are mere seconds away.
[quote]shoot him in the leg[/quote] really? people who think that is an even remotely reasonable proposition need to run through a few drills before they open their mouth
i guess cops could start carrying rocksalt or beanbag shells to blast people with [editline]14th July 2016[/editline] of course those are nowhere near as reliable as actual bullets at stopping potential threats, but in this situation the guy with the shotgun could probably have popped off a couple of less-lethal shots while the guy with the handgun kept ready in case things went further south. departments are too afraid of getting sued for brutality, though, to shoot rounds that can break bones at people.
I feel kind of torn on this, the guy had more than enough chances to comply so deserved to be taken down but looking at the video once he was down he was obviously fucked so the next 2 shots weren't really necessary. Having said that, it's a whole lot easier to see sitting at home than it would have been if you were in that live situation.
[QUOTE=Naught;50709273]what if he had a bomb? a grenade? theres so many possibilities and you have to weigh all your options in a matter of seconds. even on the ground, he was reaching for his back pocket, which could have had a trigger. theres so many 'what ifs' in scenarios like this.[/QUOTE] Being a Policeman involves taking risks, you can try to justify almost every action you could possibly take through infinitely speculating about "what if" but you have to draw the line somewhere.
[QUOTE=Tudd;50707032]I think this kind of video helps illustrate that the mindset of a US-trained police officer is compared to what other countries experience and better yet show it is a general police problem and not always race. When you have a police force that is trained for the worst-case scenario and is under extreme-pressure to ensure the situation ends before it has a chance to begin, you shouldn't be surprised by the results. When Officers are shown this kind of video for training, you can begin to understand the mindset these guys are conditioned for. (Warning: Disturbing) Also compiling with cops is generally a good idea, although it will be interesting to see if this was a suicide by cop situation.[/QUOTE] to extend on this, my dad's friend who was a cop when both were on the force did a routine traffic stop for a broken tail light and was intending to just give a warning when the fucking guy rolled the window and unloaded his gun, hitting him in the head and torso all over. The dude drove off, leaving him dead on the side of the road and later was caught due to the dashcam footage. literally anyone can prance around saying they can obviously do a better job, but life isnt a fucking videogame. One minute it can be a routine stop, and the next second it can be a full fledged shootout. In the end, the cop just wants to get his pay check and be home safe like everyone else. [editline]14th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Fourier;50709891]Shoot him into leg or some other low-risk area and immobilize him.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://www.bartleby.com/107/Images/large/image548.gif[/IMG] theres a reason why most soldier fatalities are from legs shots, theres a massive fucking artery that causes bleed out within 2 minutes. also its much harder to land a hit on the leg and puts others at risk from ricochet.
[QUOTE=Tudd;50707032]I think this kind of video helps illustrate that the mindset of a US-trained police officer is compared to what other countries experience and better yet show it is a general police problem and not always race. When you have a police force that is trained for the worst-case scenario and is under extreme-pressure to ensure the situation ends before it has a chance to begin, you shouldn't be surprised by the results. When Officers are shown this kind of video for training, you can begin to understand the mindset these guys are conditioned for. (Warning: Disturbing) [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8-ycSkoYfc[/media] Also compiling with cops is generally a good idea, although it will be interesting to see if this was a suicide by cop situation.[/QUOTE] I regret watching that video, it made my skin crawl a bit jfc the officer's screams. I can see why cops are so jumpy if this is used as an example of worse-case.
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