Women's March: Millions March In Country to Protest Trump
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[url]http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenintheworld/2017/01/20/billionaire-george-soros-has-ties-to-more-than-50-partners-of-the-womens-march-on-washington/[/url]
this guy seems to be everywhere
[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51705708]I don't understand this point and relevancy to womens movement[/QUOTE]
It's a solidarity movement again Donald Trump really.
[QUOTE=Perrine;51705775][url]http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenintheworld/2017/01/20/billionaire-george-soros-has-ties-to-more-than-50-partners-of-the-womens-march-on-washington/[/url]
this guy seems to be everywhere[/QUOTE]
Seems like a cool guy!
[QUOTE=sgman91;51705695]Thanks for posting their site. I went through it and these seem to be their specific policy points ([URL="https://www.womensmarch.com/principles):"]https://www.womensmarch.com/principles ):[/URL]
1) They are against any and all restrictions on abortion.
2) They want an Equal Right's Amendment on the constitution, although I'm not sure what that would entail.
3) They want totally open borders.[/QUOTE]
Is this what concern trolling is?
Claim: "They are against any and all restrictions on abortion."
Truth: They want to have safe abortions. It isn't fucking "I want an abortion even though if it would kill me."
[quote]REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS
We believe in Reproductive Freedom. We do not accept any federal, state or local rollbacks, cuts or restrictions on our ability to access quality reproductive healthcare services, birth control, HIV/AIDS care and prevention, or medically accurate sexuality education. This means open access to safe, legal, affordable abortion and birth control for all people, regardless of income, location or education. [/quote]
Claim: "They want an Equal Right's Amendment on the constitution, although I'm not sure what that would entail."
Truth: You do know what it entails, you're just being silly and trying to push your agenda.
[quote]CIVIL RIGHTS
We believe Civil Rights are our birthright, including voting rights, freedom to worship without fear of intimidation or harassment, freedom of speech, and protections for all citizens regardless of race, gender, age or disability. We believe it is time for an all-inclusive Equal Rights Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. [/quote]
Claim: They want totally open borders.
Truth: You might be right on this one, considering "We believe migration is a human right and that no human being is illegal." but that just might apply to the context of the statement before where they talk about status and country of origin.
[quote]IMMIGRANT RIGHTS
Rooted in the promise of America’s call for huddled masses yearning to breathe free, we believe in immigrant and refugee rights regardless of status or country of origin. We believe migration is a human right and that no human being is illegal.[/quote]
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[QUOTE=sgman91;51705764]It seems to be more a movement of women than a movement for women's issues.[/QUOTE]
How are you able to tell from a few cherry picked posts? The trump administration is objectively bad for women unless they turn around and say it was all an act to infiltrate the government and now it's going to be a liberal paradise
[QUOTE=sgman91;51705764]It seems to be more a movement of women than a movement for women's issues.[/QUOTE]
There's plenty of men
[Media]https://twitter.com/feministabulous/status/822808153393889280[/media]
[Media]https://twitter.com/ABC/status/822843211362103296[/media]
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51705632]The latter. I don't know if you've noticed but he's a very unpopular guy.[/QUOTE]
Yet he got elected, so perhaps next time you could try promoting someone else this hard BEFORE the vote.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51705656]The democratic system that many people insist is anti-democratic, yes.[/QUOTE]
It only became anti-democratic AFTER someone they didn't want won. IF Hilliary or Bernie won nobody would of given a fuck.
[QUOTE=KillRay;51705762][Media]https://twitter.com/LOUDPVCK/status/822895631811416064[/media]
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Truly a sign there is hope for the future!
[QUOTE=sgman91;51705764]It seems to be more a movement of women than a movement for women's issues.[/QUOTE]
Claim: It seems to be more a movement of women than a movement for women's issues.
Truth: This isn't an issue. Women want equality, and equality is, you know, not just a woman exclusive thing?
[quote]The rhetoric of the past election cycle has insulted, demonized, and threatened many of us - immigrants of all statuses, Muslims and those of diverse religious faiths, people who identify as LGBTQIA, Native people, Black and Brown people, people with disabilities, survivors of sexual assault - and our communities are hurting and scared. We are confronted with the question of how to move forward in the face of national and international concern and fear.
In the spirit of democracy and honoring the champions of human rights, dignity, and justice who have come before us, we join in diversity to show our presence in numbers too great to ignore. The Women’s March on Washington will send a bold message to our new government on their first day in office, and to the world that women's rights are human rights. We stand together, recognizing that defending the most marginalized among us is defending all of us.
We support the advocacy and resistance movements that reflect our multiple and intersecting identities. We call on all defenders of human rights to join us. This march is the first step towards unifying our communities, grounded in new relationships, to create change from the grassroots level up. We will not rest until women have parity and equity at all levels of leadership in society. We work peacefully while recognizing there is no true peace without justice and equity for all.[/quote]
[QUOTE=pentium;51705792]Yet he got elected, so perhaps next time you could try promoting someone else this hard BEFORE the vote.
It only became anti-democratic AFTER someone they didn't want won. IF Hilliary or Bernie won nobody would of given a fuck.[/QUOTE]
Yes. I, like many suddenly only just now discovered and hate the electoral college and it's not had a general distaste from both sides of political spectrum for awhile now. Grr
Maybe scratching your head from dandruff has shaken up your brain a bit too much
[QUOTE=pentium;51705792]Yet he got elected, so perhaps next time you could try promoting someone else this hard BEFORE the vote.
It only became anti-democratic AFTER someone they didn't want won. IF Hilliary or Bernie won nobody would of given a fuck.[/QUOTE]
Well if Hillary won the electoral college but Trump won the popular vote by nearly [B]3 million people[/B], I would have given some fucks. Please leave your strawmen at the door.
[QUOTE=pentium;51705792]
It only became anti-democratic AFTER someone they didn't want won. IF Hilliary or Bernie won nobody would of given a fuck.[/QUOTE]
Of course. Clinton and Bernie weren't a threat to women's health and rights
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51705699]I hope there will be a march on climate change too. Not that woman rights aren't important, but because Trump's climate change policies will affect us all, not just America.[/QUOTE]
On one hand, they mention it at the bottom of their policies page.
On the other hand, I didn't hear any mention of it at the march I went to.
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Maybe scratching your head from dandruff has shaken up your brain a bit too much[/QUOTE]
Nah, these are just people angry about problems that aren't going to ever be a problem in modern times. They just have someone they can start universally nailing the problems [i]to[/i] and say it's all his fault.
I'm not understanding this mindset of "People are protesting against Trump. They must hate democracy and freedom!!!!" That several posters here seem to think.
These protesters are using their freedom of speech and freedom of protest. Which was lined out in the bill of rights.
In recent memory I can't remember anyone who I talked to (pre election) that liked the college. From comments I received on my Facebook alone, would-be Trump, Hillary and Bernie supporters all disliked it. Some of who disliked it from 2012.
You know who else hated the college in 2012?
Trump
[QUOTE=pentium;51705814]Nah, these are just people angry about problems that aren't going to ever be a problem in modern times. They just have someone they can start universally nailing the problems [I]to[/I] and say it's all his fault.[/QUOTE]
It's his party's ideology and practices that have already hurt and killed women. There is no "but trump hasn't yet" because it's already happened. Last page I posted a link to an article about how maternal mortality rates have gone up since the closing of PP clinics and the GOP wants to get rid of all of them.
[QUOTE=pentium;51705792]Yet he got elected, so perhaps next time you could try promoting someone else this hard BEFORE the vote.
It only became anti-democratic AFTER someone they didn't want won. IF Hilliary or Bernie won nobody would of given a fuck.[/QUOTE]
The electoral college has benefited only one political party in the past by overriding the popular vote. Look at Gore V. Bush, and then look at this election. The popular vote was in favor of Hillary.
I would have personally disagreed with the outcome even if the electoral vote leaned towards my own political interests in the end, as the electoral college is inherently undemocratic.
The difference being that if Hillary had won we would not have a considerable portion of the country worried desperately for their futures and lives.
[QUOTE=pentium;51705792]Yet he got elected, so perhaps next time you could try promoting someone else this hard BEFORE the vote.
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Why do so many people say this like people [I]weren't[/I] pushing for a better candidate for president????
Do you think the people corrupted the DNC and made their poor decisions for them? Of course not. Plenty of people pushed for Bernie as an alternative to Hillary and even though Hillary was not the ideal choice, everyone who voted for her still preferred her to Trump.
I advocated for a better president before he was elected and I advocate for a better president now. Whether or not that's going to happen is beyond me, but I can sure as hell stand up for the things that I believe he and his cabinet are trying to take away from the people.
Stop using stupid arguments like this when you can't possibly know the insight to every single voter, democratic or otherwise. You're being purposely obtuse for the sake of a "gotcha" post that isn't even clever.
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Maybe scratching your head from dandruff has shaken up your brain a bit too much[/QUOTE]
look i disagree with pentium just as much but resorting to ad hominem is a bad practice.
[QUOTE=pentium;51705814]Nah, these are just people angry about problems that aren't going to ever be a problem in modern times. They just have someone they can start universally nailing the problems [i]to[/i] and say it's all his fault.[/QUOTE]
[Media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/266038556504494082[/media]
[QUOTE=MissingGlitch;51705818]I'm not understanding this mindset of "People are protesting against Trump. They must hate democracy and freedom!!!!" That several posters here seem to think.
These protesters are using their freedom of speech and freedom of protest. Which was lined out in the bill of rights.[/QUOTE]
It's common rhetoric that they use when against criticizing trump's win.
They pretend that Russia or Director Comey had nothing to do to influence the election, and they pretend that the electoral college is somehow democratic.
[QUOTE=CertainDOOM;51705599]This gives me hope.[/QUOTE]
Hope for what? This isn't gonna make Trump and his administration change their mind about things.
They should be mad at the Democratic party for choosing such a shit candidate.
[QUOTE]Claim: "They are against any and all restrictions on abortion."
Truth: They want to have safe abortions. It isn't fucking "I want an abortion even though if it would kill me."[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure what you mean with that quote in the truth line, but it seems pretty clear that they want no restriction on abortion based on them saying they're against "any... restrictions." I'm not even stretching their words here.
[QUOTE]Claim: "They want an Equal Right's Amendment on the constitution, although I'm not sure what that would entail."
Truth: You do know what it entails, you're just being silly and trying to push your agenda.[/QUOTE]
Are they referencing the ERA from the 1970s? I doubt it since that only specified women. I would need to know their specific wording to know their true intent.
[QUOTE=sgman91;51705695][...]
2) They want an Equal Right's Amendment on the constitution, although I'm not sure what that would entail.
[...][/QUOTE]
It's probably similar to what we do here, where all laws are written to be gender neutral (or apply to both equally). It's quite nice.
[QUOTE=pentium;51705814]Nah, these are just people angry about problems that aren't going to ever be a problem in modern times. They just have someone they can start universally nailing the problems [i]to[/i] and say it's all his fault.[/QUOTE]
Do you have cotton in your eyes or are you purposefully ignoring every argument in this thread
[QUOTE=pentium;51705814]Nah, these are just people angry about problems that aren't going to ever be a problem in modern times.[/QUOTE]
Well it's a good thing they're protesting to make certain of that, huh.
[QUOTE=sgman91;51705642]Isn't that a direct protest against the democratic system?
[editline]21st January 2017[/editline]
So a protest of the people who elected him?
[editline]21st January 2017[/editline]
These vague protests just kind of bother me. It's the reason they never end up going anywhere. They should pick very specific things and protest for those to change, like the civil rights movement did, or even the Tea Party.[/QUOTE]
The rest of the world is looking at you guys and going "Well, we're fucked aren't we? This is really fucking bad, and really fucking real, and we have nothing to do about this".
The rest of the world is looking at the US very confused, and getting scared with justification no matter what is being said to soothe our fears from those on the right, the rest of the world is not going to sit back and just say "Yeah, Don, do whatever the fuck you want". Why should we
[QUOTE=KillRay;51705840][Media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/266038556504494082[/media][/QUOTE]
Let's not forgot that Trump threw a fit on Twitter when Obama got the electoral votes but not the popular vote during reelection.yet it's perfectly alright if he gets the electoral votes and not the popular vote.
[QUOTE=MissingGlitch;51705871]Let's not forgot that Trump threw a fit on Twitter when Obama got the electoral votes but not the popular vote during reflection.yet it's perfectly alright if he gets the electoral votes and not the popular vote.[/QUOTE]
Even better - Obama did actually win the 2012 popular vote in the end, by 5 million votes. The GOP has lost the popular vote in 6 of the last 7 presidential elections.
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