Women's March: Millions March In Country to Protest Trump
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If it keeps going, it would probably be better I start a megathread on this stuff instead of the separate threads.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51707678]If it keeps going, it would probably be better I start a megathread on this stuff instead of the separate threads.[/QUOTE]
Could you please take the minor anti-anti-trump stuff there too, then?
It's not really my place to say this since I'm not a mod or anything, but all these he-said/she-said/anecdotal pro-/contra- clinton/trump threads aren't exactly fun to read for people outside the USA who're used to politics being discussed sensibly instead of various posters talking past each other all the time.
The worst part is probably that barely anyone from your country seems to notice just how [I]utterly shit[/I] that approach is at convincing anyone else. You can't just throw out canned phrases and horribly biased anecdotal reports 24/7 and expect people not to resent you and your politics over that.
I think great things will come out these protests. We're showing President Pussygrabber that he is playing with the lives and livelihoods of women, and we're not going to stand for it. These protests are inspiring young men and women to contribute to these movements, to pursue law and politics, to join civil rights groups and fight the good fight.
I participated one of the smaller marches in a painfully red county. I saw women, and men too, refusing to back down from Trump. I saw incredibly motivated speakers airing their grievances and speaking their minds. I met a WW2 veteran who was there to protest the rise of another nationalist right-wing "populist." This is important to everybody. Women's rights are important to everybody.
I'm honestly impressed with ya'll's work in combating nonsense and bs in this thread. Keep up the good work guys.
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Too bad it won't do anything. Washington shields itself from the public. It's impressive, but ultimately futile, I think. It's going to take thousands swarming and rushing into the capitol building before they'll even bat an eye
Trump's response:
[media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/823150055418920960[/media]
[media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/823174199036542980[/media]
why do i get the feeling the former is his tweet and the latter is from someone else. can someone dig into the metadata and see if that's true?
In my opinion he probably posted something somebody else told him to say, given his stance on any protest, peaceful or otherwise.
Pretty sure a lot of the people at those protests voted. Didn't help!
[QUOTE=Gamerman12;51708879]Trump's response:
[media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/823150055418920960[/media]
[media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/823174199036542980[/media]
why do i get the feeling the former is his tweet and the latter is from someone else. can someone dig into the metadata and see if that's true?[/QUOTE]
1st tweet seems to be mockery since he won despite losing popular vote by quite a margin. 2nd one seems like mockery of protests. As in he is laughing at their futile rioting and protesting, he's the president anyway.
[QUOTE=TheLonelyDonu;51708702]I think great things will come out these protests. We're showing President Pussygrabber that he is playing with the lives and livelihoods of women, and we're not going to stand for it. These protests are inspiring young men and women to contribute to these movements, to pursue law and politics, to join civil rights groups and fight the good fight. [/QUOTE]
And Trump will learn that the consequences of ignoring them will be more littering.
I love protest groups, but they really need to get organized. Taking back the parties would be a good start. Yesterday will change nothing, and in fact probably hurt the cause, to an extent. The rioting and hateful, violent rhetoric was not a good optic.
edit - And crap, I just saw the tweets posted right before this. I wasn't just riffing on those, swearsies realsies.
so after the fact i have a few thoughts
1. the litter. a great punchline to the joke is some minimum wage shmuck is gonna have to clean up that fucking cardboard and maxi pad mess. bonus zinger if it's a dude, ahahahaha
2. the photo of the garbage can overflowing with starbucks cups really encapsulates what this country is all about. a group of people protesting for rights while chugging down expensive corporate sewer water.
3. ya'll should've woken up when we were drone bombing civilians that include women and children, and we should be having protests for the rights of women in the east as well. theyre treated like property. where are the celebs on that?
4. [url=http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenintheworld/2017/01/20/billionaire-george-soros-has-ties-to-more-than-50-partners-of-the-womens-march-on-washington/]turns out this "grassroots" "spontaneous" movement was paid for by good ol' soros[/url]. kinda makes me think. thinking emoji.
[QUOTE=TheJoey;51709248]3. ya'll should've woken up when we were drone bombing civilians that include women and children, and we should be having protests for the rights of women in the east as well. theyre treated like property. where are the celebs on that? [/QUOTE]
You're not serious are you?
There were global protests over the Iraq war, especially in Britain and America, the leaders of the war. How could you have forgotten?
[URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_15,_2003,_anti-war_protests"]On February 15, 2003, there was a coordinated day of protests across the world in which people in more than 600 cities expressed opposition to the imminent Iraq War. It was part of a series of protests and political events that had begun in 2002 and continued as the war took place. Social movement researchers have described the 15 February protest as "the largest protest event in human history".[/URL]
I'd damn right say those protests were way, way bigger than yesterday's protests.
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51709256]You're not serious are you?
There were global protests over the Iraq war, especially in Britain and America, the leaders of the war. How could you have forgotten?
[URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_15,_2003,_anti-war_protests"]On February 15, 2003, there was a coordinated day of protests across the world in which people in more than 600 cities expressed opposition to the imminent Iraq War. It was part of a series of protests and political events that had begun in 2002 and continued as the war took place. Social movement researchers have described the 15 February protest as "the largest protest event in human history".[/URL]
I'd damn right say those protests were way, way bigger than yesterday's protests.[/QUOTE]
i'm talking within the past eight years of obama's continuation of bombing of foreign countries and failed drone strikes.
not to mention bush administration was the time it was popular to protest the war in iraq. in obama's administration, it wasn't. he "got our troops out" and we nodded our heads.
[QUOTE=TheJoey;51709269]i'm talking within the past eight years of obama's continuation of bombing of foreign countries and failed drone strikes.[/QUOTE]
As far as I am aware people were complaining about that especially as Obama pledged not to do that.
(I thought drone strikes worked. At-least, that's one American told me. Then again, they turned out to be among the most hardcore Republicans I've ever met).
[QUOTE=TheJoey;51709248]so after the fact i have a few thoughts
1. the litter. a great punchline to the joke is some minimum wage shmuck is gonna have to clean up that fucking cardboard and maxi pad mess. bonus zinger if it's a dude, ahahahaha
2. the photo of the garbage can overflowing with starbucks cups really encapsulates what this country is all about. a group of people protesting for rights while chugging down expensive corporate sewer water.
3. ya'll should've woken up when we were drone bombing civilians that include women and children, and we should be having protests for the rights of women in the east as well. theyre treated like property. where are the celebs on that?
4. [URL="http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenintheworld/2017/01/20/billionaire-george-soros-has-ties-to-more-than-50-partners-of-the-womens-march-on-washington/"]turns out this "grassroots" "spontaneous" movement was paid for by good ol' soros[/URL]. kinda makes me think. thinking emoji.[/QUOTE]
1. That's liter that's been swept up from a larger area. You are essentially pointing at a landfill and getting mad that trash isn't being taken care of when it's obvious from the photo that it's being gathered up to be thrown out.
2. Not a real point. As if drinking Starbucks coffee somehow matters to anything.
3. Just because there's atrocities happening across the world doesn't mean people can't protest their rights being stripped away here at home. Besides, for all you know, a lot of people in those protests (remember there were over 600 all across the world) are against what you said. You are making broad baseless accusations.
4. Rich liberal uses wealth to support a cause he supports. Stop the fucking presses.
0/10 shit post
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51709274]As far as I am aware people were complaining about that especially as Obama pledged not to do that.
(I thought drone strikes worked. At-least, that's one American told me. Then again, they turned out to be among the most hardcore Republicans I've ever met).[/QUOTE]
[url=https://www.google.com/search?num=50&site=&source=hp&q=drone+strike+statistics&oq=drone+strike+statistics&gs_l=hp.3..0l3j0i22i30k1l7.322.3887.0.4773.24.17.0.6.6.0.185.1863.2j13.15.0....0...1c.1.64.hp..4.19.1696.0..0i131k1.Dmr50vylfX4]Google search for "Drone Strike Statistics"[/url],
[quote="What percent of drone strikes kill civilians?"]During one five-month period of the operation, according to the documents, nearly 90 percent of the people killed in airstrikes were not the intended targets.” That's one campaign of many in just one country where drone killings happen.[/quote]
[url=http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/the-obama-administrations-drone-strike-dissembling/473541/]Source for that information[/url]
[quote]Numerous reports during the Obama Administration––including at least one by a former drone pilot––describe a pattern in which a missile fired from a U.S. drone hits an area, bystanders rush to the scene to help the wounded, and the drone, still overhead, kills the rescuers. On other occasions, drones have struck at funerals of drone-strike victims. It is hard to believe the threshold of “near certainty” is crossed in either kind of strike. Credible reports of civilian casualties are common.[/quote]
[QUOTE=TheJoey;51709289][url=https://www.google.com/search?num=50&site=&source=hp&q=drone+strike+statistics&oq=drone+strike+statistics&gs_l=hp.3..0l3j0i22i30k1l7.322.3887.0.4773.24.17.0.6.6.0.185.1863.2j13.15.0....0...1c.1.64.hp..4.19.1696.0..0i131k1.Dmr50vylfX4]Google search for "Drone Strike Statistics"[/url],
[url=http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/the-obama-administrations-drone-strike-dissembling/473541/]Source for that information[/url][/QUOTE]
I should have realised they were lying to me. Thanks for those.
[QUOTE=TheJoey;51709289][url=https://www.google.com/search?num=50&site=&source=hp&q=drone+strike+statistics&oq=drone+strike+statistics&gs_l=hp.3..0l3j0i22i30k1l7.322.3887.0.4773.24.17.0.6.6.0.185.1863.2j13.15.0....0...1c.1.64.hp..4.19.1696.0..0i131k1.Dmr50vylfX4]Google search for "Drone Strike Statistics"[/url],
[url=http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/the-obama-administrations-drone-strike-dissembling/473541/]Source for that information[/url][/QUOTE]
What does any of this have to do with Trump being a shite president though? Is Trump against drone strikes? I don't think he's ever spoken about it, and my presumption is that he'd be up for continuing them considering his rhetoric, so what's your game here?
[QUOTE=Nautsabes;51709279]4. Rich liberal uses wealth to support a cause he supports. Stop the fucking presses. [/QUOTE]
i just think it's a little bit disingenuous to call your movement grassroots and spontaneous when someone paid for its inception. i think it was a wonderful way for people to make money and for certain celebrities to look good. there's something scummy about a protest for the rights of a group of people to alternatively be a scheme for selfish reasons.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;51707578]I can't believe this is a non satirical post.[/QUOTE]
If you show up with a cardboard sign you can easily fold and throw in a nearby dumpster then it's the least you can do instead of leaving it on the street.
[QUOTE=TheJoey;51709313]i just think it's a little bit disingenuous to call your movement grassroots and spontaneous when someone paid for its inception. i think it was a wonderful way for people to make money and for certain celebrities to look good. there's something scummy about a protest for the rights of a group of people to alternatively be a scheme for selfish reasons.[/QUOTE]
What does it matter if it's grassroots or not? Who actually fucking cares? Millions and millions of people, in a show of solidarity, came out and protested trump in force, and all you can fucking latch onto is semantics and straws. I bet there were a lot of people who donated a lot of money to the protests.
[QUOTE=TheJoey;51709248]2. the photo of the garbage can overflowing with starbucks cups really encapsulates what this country is all about. a group of people protesting for rights while chugging down expensive corporate sewer water.[/QUOTE]
oh god i'm getting Louise Mensch flashbacks
[video=youtube;3252FSW7OC4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3252FSW7OC4[/video]
the horror
the
horror
[QUOTE=froztshock;51709309]What does any of this have to do with Trump being a shite president though? [/QUOTE]
it was a response to the question "but don't drones work?" which in context grew from my question "where were protesters like this during democrat-held government's drone strikes?" so basically what i'm saying is "where were half a million women when it wasn't a march specifically for american women?"
i just think it would've been nice to see this many people march on washington for the safety of women and children overseas getting their shit bombed in, a choice made by the popular president they liked at the time.
[editline]22nd January 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Nautsabes;51709324]What does it matter if it's grassroots or not? Who actually fucking cares? Millions and millions of people, in a show of solidarity, came out and protested trump in force, and all you can fucking latch onto is semantics and straws. I bet there were a lot of people who donated a lot of money to the protests.[/QUOTE]
ok.
i'm not latching onto anything. i just said these were my thoughts about everything after the fact.
it's ok that you don't agree with me. but also "who fucking cares" is a pretty dumb question. i care. and i'm sure there are plenty of others that do too. it's ok that you don't see it the same way i do. why are my thoughts on the matter so repulsive to you to garner such a response?
[QUOTE=TheJoey;51709333]it was a response to the question "but don't drones work?" which in context grew from my question "where were protesters like this during democrat-held government's drone strikes?" so basically what i'm saying is "where were half a million women when it wasn't a march specifically for american women?"
i just think it would've been nice to see this many people march on washington for the safety of women and children overseas getting their shit bombed in, a choice made by the popular president they liked at the time.[/QUOTE]
What even is your point with your posts? It would've been nice to have these people protest drone strikes? It would've been but that literally has nothing to do with this so what are you trying to do what's your point?
[QUOTE=TheJoey;51709333]it was a response to the question "but don't drones work?" which in context grew from my question "where were protesters like this during democrat-held government's drone strikes?" so basically what i'm saying is "where were half a million women when it wasn't a march specifically for american women?"
i just think it would've been nice to see this many people march on washington for the safety of women and children overseas getting their shit bombed in, a choice made by the popular president they liked at the time.[/QUOTE]
I'm going to be entirely frank here, I don't think that there's any way this protest could've gone down in which it would've been satisfactory for you or many of the people critical of it in this thread. I think that they could've been perfect angels, gone in fasting and refused to eat for the entire day, picked up all their signs, and it still would've been derided as 'ineffectual' and brushed aside with 'starving children in Africa' arguments.
It seems like dismissing protest has become an art lately, and I'm getting kinda' sick of it. Lots of people are pissed, they made it known in the most acceptable way they probably could've. Get over it.
[QUOTE=Nautsabes;51709350]What even is your point with your posts?[/QUOTE]
to post my opinion on a web forum designed specifically for that? in a thread about the women's march? these are my opinions about protests like this one.
[editline]22nd January 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=froztshock;51709359]It seems like dismissing protest has become an art lately, and I'm getting kinda' sick of it. Lots of people are pissed, they made it known in the most acceptable way they probably could've. Get over it.[/QUOTE]
i'm not dismissing the protest. i never said the protest wasn't legitimate.
[QUOTE=froztshock;51709359]I'm going to be entirely frank here, I don't think that there's any way this protest could've gone down in which it would've been satisfactory for you or many of the people critical of it in this thread. I think that they could've been perfect angels, gone in fasting and refused to eat for the entire day, picked up all their signs, and it still would've been derided as 'ineffectual' and brushed aside with 'starving children in Africa' arguments.
It seems like dismissing protest has become an art lately, and I'm getting kinda' sick of it. Lots of people are pissed, they made it known in the most acceptable way they probably could've. Get over it.[/QUOTE]
Protesting doesn't mean you're immune from criticism.
It's basically a "why are they talking about this when they weren't around talking about THIS EVEN WORSE thing!".
Which is just a should've would've could've that doesn't take into account that people learn and grow and there are some things that they feel may affect them more than others. Doesn't mean they were in support of this or that back then, just means that they may not have been as educated or felt like politics were still some far off thing that wouldn't affect them.
It's natural and it's human. Now we see people being a lot more concerned with our politics and that's a [I]good[/I] thing. There's zero point in going back aways and saying "well this protest would be better if these people had done another protest some odd years ago". Like who knows? Maybe they did speak out against those things?
You just don't know. And trying to blanket over a million people into one category of apathy towards world issues is super asinine, man.
Please explain to me how just because the movement received some funding from Soros that it can't be grassroots? I guess the tea party wasn't a grass roots movement because it received funding from billionaires?
Joey, why are you trying to argue Obama's bombings and drone strikes in the Middle East which have nothing at all to do with women's rights in the US under Trump?
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