• Women's March: Millions March In Country to Protest Trump
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That being said "grassroots" doesn't mean "not funded by rich people". It means that the movement started at a smaller level and made its way up. For example, a movement being proposed from the political level of people already in power, regardless of funding source, would not be grassroots. A movement proposed by the people, regardless of funding level [I]would[/I] be considered grassroots. Depends on where it started and where it came from.
[QUOTE=TheJoey;51709362]to post my opinion on a web forum designed specifically for that? in a thread about the women's march? these are my opinions about protests like this one.[/QUOTE] Now you're just being obtuse
[QUOTE=TheJoey;51709362]to post my opinion on a web forum designed specifically for that? in a thread about the women's march? these are my opinions about protests like this one. [editline]22nd January 2017[/editline] i'm not dismissing the protest. i never said the protest wasn't legitimate.[/QUOTE] Sure, they're just shit because they're not talking about issues outside the scope of what they've come to protest and involve people being people. What you 'got out of this' four talking points about petty crap to make the protesters look like shit, one of which was barely even related to what's being discussed that you seem to have pulled from your rear. The 'point' that's to be drawn from this is that there are a lot of people who are unhappy with this administration, and that they'd best make an effort to mend ties with the probably >= 60% of Americans which are [i]very[/i] uncomfortable with the idea of president Trump. Trump, being who he is, isn't going to take any of it to heart because he's incapable of self reflection, but there you have it. [editline]22nd January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;51709377]Protesting doesn't mean you're immune from criticism.[/QUOTE] Well of course not. I'm just saying his points are shit and he's performing mental gymnastics to attack one of the largest, most peaceful protests in recent memory. This is practically a model demonstration, but it won't ever be good enough because the point isn't to make protesters protest 'right' it's to diminish the message by nitpicking.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51709382]Please explain to me how just because the movement received some funding from Soros that it can't be grassroots? I guess the tea party wasn't a grass roots movement because it received funding from billionaires?[/QUOTE] Except that's EXACTLY what people kept saying about the tea party......
[QUOTE=TheJoey;51709248]so after the fact i have a few thoughts 1. the litter. a great punchline to the joke is some minimum wage shmuck is gonna have to clean up that fucking cardboard and maxi pad mess. bonus zinger if it's a dude, ahahahaha 2. the photo of the garbage can overflowing with starbucks cups really encapsulates what this country is all about. a group of people protesting for rights while chugging down expensive corporate sewer water. 3. ya'll should've woken up when we were drone bombing civilians that include women and children, and we should be having protests for the rights of women in the east as well. theyre treated like property. where are the celebs on that? 4. [url=http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenintheworld/2017/01/20/billionaire-george-soros-has-ties-to-more-than-50-partners-of-the-womens-march-on-washington/]turns out this "grassroots" "spontaneous" movement was paid for by good ol' soros[/url]. kinda makes me think. thinking emoji.[/QUOTE] Glad we've gotten to the point where the only thing people find to complain about in a women's rights protest thread are consumerism and drone strikes.
[QUOTE=froztshock;51709395]Well of course not. I'm just saying his points are shit and he's performing mental gymnastics to attack one of the largest, most peaceful protests in recent memory. This is practically a model demonstration, but it won't ever be good enough because the point isn't to make protesters protest 'right' it's to diminish the message by nitpicking.[/QUOTE] Since when is criticism "nitpicking"?
I went to a Tea Part rally a few years ago. They called for the abolishment of taxes, in a public park they were using for their rally. [editline]22nd January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;51709414]Since when is criticism "nitpicking"?[/QUOTE] What criticism
[media]https://twitter.com/bocavista2016/status/823219122611908608[/media] drumpf'd on
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;51709414]Since when is criticism "nitpicking"?[/QUOTE] Yeah I mean 'they drink Starbucks' is some pretty incisive and well thought out criticism.
[QUOTE=Sally;51709423][media]https://twitter.com/bocavista2016/status/823219122611908608[/media] drumpf'd on[/QUOTE] Those aren't natural cloud patterns. I don't see how god has anything to do with this.
i love the fact that people will come and nonironically defend the lack of rights women recieve in the country with things such as the fact that they drank Starbucks. i fear for this country now that its led by idiots like that
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;51709414]Since when is criticism "nitpicking"?[/QUOTE] When half your points are vague, weird little attacks on the character of the protesters rather than a rebuttal of their message and the other quarter is completely and totally unrelated to the subject at hand?
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51709430]Those aren't natural cloud patterns. I don't see how god has anything to do with this.[/QUOTE] knowing the typical Trump supporter they probably think it's a sign from God himself
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;51709410]Except that's EXACTLY what people kept saying about the tea party......[/QUOTE] okay cool just looking for consistency [QUOTE=Sally;51709423] [media]https://twitter.com/bocavista2016/status/823219122611908608[/media] drumpf'd on[/QUOTE] Wow you sure showed it to those Australians?
"Oh no they drank starbucks, the shock and horror! People bought coffee!"
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51709430]Those aren't natural cloud patterns. I don't see how god has anything to do with this.[/QUOTE] Yeah that's pretty obvious, I cant see why that would get you up into qualms.
[QUOTE=Pascall;51709392]That being said "grassroots" doesn't mean "not funded by rich people". It means that the movement started at a smaller level and made its way up. For example, a movement being proposed from the political level of people already in power, regardless of funding source, would not be grassroots. A movement proposed by the people, regardless of funding level [I]would[/I] be considered grassroots. Depends on where it started and where it came from.[/QUOTE] i guess where i'm getting my cynicism on that part from is that i just don't tend to believe it was a movement that grew from the people and from the bottom up. when it comes to wealthy guys who have a very clear idea and a message they want to spread (one that is pro dem, anti trump when it comes to soros), as soon as they give money to organizers it seems more like this rich guy is paying for an anti-trump march, not a woman's march. i think it muddles up the understanding of what the march is and who it's for. same for the celebs like michael moore. and from that i felt like the march was dictated by those at the top for the people, and not so much by the people from its inception. i'm not saying they should've been eating organic dirt and citing only susan b anthony. i'm not saying they should've done anything or shouldn't have done anything. but from what i saw it didn't seem much to me like the grassroots, spontaneous, independent-focused march that the website had claimed it to be. for a few or maybe a lot of people i think the source of funding and WHO actually built this march up a why muddles up the message. a lot of people quite frankly didn't even know what the woman's march was even about. i think this is a problem for a lot of protests in america.
[QUOTE=Sally;51709442]Yeah that's pretty obvious, I cant see why that would get you up into qualms.[/QUOTE] It's not? I'm just saying it's kind of a shitty joke...?
[QUOTE=TheJoey;51709333]it was a response to the question "but don't drones work?" which in context grew from my question "where were protesters like this during democrat-held government's drone strikes?" so basically what i'm saying is "where were half a million women when it wasn't a march specifically for american women?" i just think it would've been nice to see this many people march on washington for the safety of women and children overseas getting their shit bombed in, a choice made by the popular president they liked at the time. [editline]22nd January 2017[/editline] ok. i'm not latching onto anything. i just said these were my thoughts about everything after the fact. it's ok that you don't agree with me. but also "who fucking cares" is a pretty dumb question. i care. and i'm sure there are plenty of others that do too. it's ok that you don't see it the same way i do. why are my thoughts on the matter so repulsive to you to garner such a response?[/QUOTE] Believe it or not but people tend to find it easier to care about something that directly impacts them not people another ocean way. And the people essentially voted in favor of drone strikes by saying they didn't want anymore boots on the ground, which again surprise surprise people care more about their own than anyone else.
[QUOTE=TheJoey;51709443]i guess where i'm getting my cynicism on that part from is that i just don't tend to believe it was a movement that grew from the people and from the bottom up. when it comes to wealthy guys who have a very clear idea and a message they want to spread (one that is pro dem, anti trump when it comes to soros), as soon as they give money to organizers it seems more like this rich guy is paying for an anti-trump march, not a woman's march. i think it muddles up the understanding of what the march is and who it's for. same for the celebs like michael moore. and from that i felt like the march was dictated by those at the top for the people, and not so much by the people from its inception. i'm not saying they should've been eating organic dirt and citing only susan b anthony. i'm not saying they should've done anything or shouldn't have done anything. but from what i saw it didn't seem much to me like the grassroots, spontaneous, independent-focused march that the website had claimed it to be. for a few or maybe a lot of people i think the source of funding and WHO actually built this march up a why muddles up the message. a lot of people quite frankly didn't even know what the woman's march was even about. i think this is a problem for a lot of protests in america.[/QUOTE] The millions of people participating in the marches don't seem to have any problem understanding what the women's March was all about. Maybe you should check out the website. They explain it there too.
[QUOTE=TheJoey;51709443]i guess where i'm getting my cynicism on that part from is that i just don't tend to believe it was a movement that grew from the people and from the bottom up. when it comes to wealthy guys who have a very clear idea and a message they want to spread (one that is pro dem, anti trump when it comes to soros), as soon as they give money to organizers it seems more like this rich guy is paying for an anti-trump march, not a woman's march. i think it muddles up the understanding of what the march is and who it's for. same for the celebs like michael moore. and from that i felt like the march was dictated by those at the top for the people, and not so much by the people from its inception. i'm not saying they should've been eating organic dirt and citing only susan b anthony. i'm not saying they should've done anything or shouldn't have done anything. but from what i saw it didn't seem much to me like the grassroots, spontaneous, independent-focused march that the website had claimed it to be. for a few or maybe a lot of people i think the source of funding and WHO actually built this march up a why muddles up the message. a lot of people quite frankly didn't even know what the woman's march was even about. i think this is a problem for a lot of protests in america.[/QUOTE] See, now you're actually making good points instead of "Oh shit, they're drinking Starbucks". I can't argue with your criticism here because those are valid questions. Just lead with that next time instead of being a doof and bringing up unrelated things.
[url]https://www.womensmarch.com/mission/[/url]
[QUOTE=Gamerman12;51708879]Trump's response: [media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/823150055418920960[/media] why do i get the feeling the former is his tweet and the latter is from someone else. can someone dig into the metadata and see if that's true?[/QUOTE] Sadly they might have voted, probably just in the wrong states. Born to the wrong area. Shame!
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51709437] Wow you sure showed it to those Australians?[/QUOTE] If they formed together to protest against Trump all the way in Australia in the first place, then shouldn't you be directing that to the protesters?
[QUOTE=TheJoey;51709443]i guess where i'm getting my cynicism on that part from is that i just don't tend to believe it was a movement that grew from the people and from the bottom up. when it comes to wealthy guys who have a very clear idea and a message they want to spread (one that is pro dem, anti trump when it comes to soros), as soon as they give money to organizers it seems more like this rich guy is paying for an anti-trump march, not a woman's march. i think it muddles up the understanding of what the march is and who it's for. same for the celebs like michael moore. and from that i felt like the march was dictated by those at the top for the people, and not so much by the people from its inception. i'm not saying they should've been eating organic dirt and citing only susan b anthony. i'm not saying they should've done anything or shouldn't have done anything. but from what i saw it didn't seem much to me like the grassroots, spontaneous, independent-focused march that the website had claimed it to be. for a few or maybe a lot of people i think the source of funding and WHO actually built this march up a why muddles up the message. a lot of people quite frankly didn't even know what the woman's march was even about. i think this is a problem for a lot of protests in america.[/QUOTE] You would find out what the marches are about just by attending them, at least the ones around me because all the chants were about women's issues and issues that affect everyone.
[QUOTE=TheJoey;51709443]i guess where i'm getting my cynicism on that part from is that i just don't tend to believe it was a movement that grew from the people and from the bottom up. when it comes to wealthy guys who have a very clear idea and a message they want to spread (one that is pro dem, anti trump when it comes to soros), as soon as they give money to organizers it seems more like this rich guy is paying for an anti-trump march, not a woman's march. i think it muddles up the understanding of what the march is and who it's for. same for the celebs like michael moore. and from that i felt like the march was dictated by those at the top for the people, and not so much by the people from its inception. i'm not saying they should've been eating organic dirt and citing only susan b anthony. i'm not saying they should've done anything or shouldn't have done anything. but from what i saw it didn't seem much to me like the grassroots, spontaneous, independent-focused march that the website had claimed it to be. for a few or maybe a lot of people i think the source of funding and WHO actually built this march up a why muddles up the message. a lot of people quite frankly didn't even know what the woman's march was even about. i think this is a problem for a lot of protests in america.[/QUOTE] What do the donors or celebs matter? Does it suddenly change what all the millions marching are marching for?
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51709627]Okay, what are you afraid of? Which special interests this protest might have served that makes you skeptical? Do you think this simple act of solidarity is somehow a play by Soros? Do you think millions across the globe appeared because of Soros, or that he was a major cause of the numbers?[/QUOTE] He probably does. Theres a contingent of people on the right who believe that George Soros is some machivellian mastermind pulling at the strings of global politics for some shadowy end game, and not, you know, just a successful investor who supports human rights.
[QUOTE=TheJoey;51709443]i guess where i'm getting my cynicism on that part from is that i just don't tend to believe it was a movement that grew from the people and from the bottom up. when it comes to wealthy guys who have a very clear idea and a message they want to spread (one that is pro dem, anti trump when it comes to soros), as soon as they give money to organizers it seems more like this rich guy is paying for an anti-trump march, not a woman's march. i think it muddles up the understanding of what the march is and who it's for. same for the celebs like michael moore. and from that i felt like the march was dictated by those at the top for the people, and not so much by the people from its inception. i'm not saying they should've been eating organic dirt and citing only susan b anthony. i'm not saying they should've done anything or shouldn't have done anything. but from what i saw it didn't seem much to me like the grassroots, spontaneous, independent-focused march that the website had claimed it to be. for a few or maybe a lot of people i think the source of funding and WHO actually built this march up a why muddles up the message. a lot of people quite frankly didn't even know what the woman's march was even about. i think this is a problem for a lot of protests in america.[/QUOTE] Those are fair points and I agree with you that they shouldn't call themselves grassroots when ([I]if[/I]) they aren't (quite), but in this instance you can read up on this really easily, as Nautsabes pointed out. As far as I can tell, this is a cause-focused event rather than protesting a specific person or supporting anyone, and, rather out-of-character for intersectional feminism, seems to actually have a sensible message. It's probably somewhat unusual for the US to have a protest that's not to some extent terrible, but precisely that seems to be the case here for once.
I skipped the March in San Francisco because I was sick and I regret missing out so much now :(
Forgive my ignorance but has mass protest ever changed a presidents mind on a decision? Not trying to dismiss the protests, I fully support it, I'm just curious since iirc this is the biggest march in history .
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