Women's March: Millions March In Country to Protest Trump
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Why should religious people get special treatment though?
You can't say you want to wear some silly headwear because you are an atheist but if you believe in a skyfairy you can.
Last I checked atheists can wear whatever silly headwear they like
[QUOTE=gastyne;51715620]Why should religious people get special treatment though?
You can't say you want to wear some silly headwear because you are an atheist but if you believe in a skyfairy you can.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry is there a law against wearing silly headwear if you're non-religious?
People should be able to wear what they want, but it stills seems odd to use a hijab as a symbol of women's rights.
It's really odd that Trump represents the party of family values.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51715840]It's really odd that Trump represents the party of family values.[/QUOTE]
OK? I agree. People ignored their family values in the face of other issues.
Now explain how the point has anything to do with the topic.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51715773]Last I checked atheists can wear whatever silly headwear they like[/QUOTE]
I don't mean in general. But for example in professions that have a specific working uniform for example.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51715773]Last I checked atheists can wear whatever silly headwear they like[/QUOTE]
hijab-fedora when
[QUOTE=gastyne;51715620]
You can't say you want to wear some silly headwear because you are an atheist[/QUOTE]
[t]https://i.imgur.com/jRwVK0O.jpg[/t]
I beg to differ!
[sp]I am an atheist, this is a joke. [/sp]
[QUOTE=Streecer;51713623]because religious freedom is a core tenet of modern democracy??? many people choose to wear the hijab you know[/QUOTE]
Nobody outside the fringes are saying "Ban islam forever" though. This is not about freedom of religion.
They've chosen a symbol of women's oppression to use as a marching banner against a perceived misogynist oppressor being elected. And they've chosen a symbol of religious hegemony to represent their belief in freedom of religion. You sure as shit don't choose to wear a hijab in Afghanistan or Iraq, and although the tides are turning in Iran, it's still pretty bad. And if you wear a star of david as a necklace and walk down the street anywhere from Qatar to Saudia Arabia, best case scanario, you get beat up badly, and nobody comes to help you.
They could not have chosen a more ridiculously horrible symbol to march under. Or a symbol that more fundamentally contradicts everything they're ostensibly marching for. It's astonishing and does nothing but convince me that this is nothing but a rhetoric fueled knee jerk reaction that nobody there fully understands the reasoning behind.
[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;51718314]Nobody outside the fringes are saying "Ban islam forever" though. This is not about freedom of religion.
They've chosen a symbol of women's oppression to use as a marching banner against a perceived misogynist oppressor being elected. And they've chosen a symbol of religious hegemony to represent their belief in freedom of religion. [B]You sure as shit don't choose to wear a hijab in Afghanistan or Iraq[/B], and although the tides are turning in Iran, it's still pretty bad. And if you wear a star of david as a necklace and walk down the street anywhere from Qatar to Saudia Arabia, best case scanario, you get beat up badly, and nobody comes to help you.
They could not have chosen a more ridiculously horrible symbol to march under. Or a symbol that more fundamentally contradicts everything they're ostensibly marching for. It's astonishing and does nothing but convince me that this is nothing but a rhetoric fueled knee jerk reaction that nobody there fully understands the reasoning behind.[/QUOTE]
Good thing they're not protesting in those countries then.
Gee I wonder why they chose a symbol of a minority under attack as their symbol, couldn't think why.
[QUOTE=IrishBandit;51718336]Good thing they're not protesting in those countries then.
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Gee I wonder why they chose a symbol of a minority under attack as their symbol, couldn't think why[/I].[/QUOTE]
But they're using a symbol of the ideology that opresses women as a representation of the people and things that need protecting.
The hijab and other associated stuff is in itself a symbol of the very oppression they're claiming to oppose. Surely if it was about emancipation and freedom, they'd use an image of a Muslim woman free of the Hijab?
Do you really not see the horrible conflict here?
[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;51722361]
Do you really not see the horrible conflict here?[/QUOTE]
Nope.
The hijab is not inherently oppressive.
[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;51722361]But they're using a symbol of the ideology that opresses women as a representation of the people and things that need protecting.
The hijab and other associated stuff is in itself a symbol of the very oppression they're claiming to oppose. Surely if it was about emancipation and freedom, they'd use an image of a Muslim woman free of the Hijab?
Do you really not see the horrible conflict here?[/QUOTE]
The thing about America is that the government doesn't dictate what you're allowed and not allowed to believe. People are allowed to practice Islam in America, whether you like that or not.
Even if Islam oppresses women, I will defend someone's right to practice it peacefully in America without persecution from the government. That's the point of the hijab poster.
[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;51722361]But they're using a symbol of the ideology that opresses women as a representation of the people and things that need protecting.
The hijab and other associated stuff is in itself a symbol of the very oppression they're claiming to oppose. Surely if it was about emancipation and freedom, they'd use an image of a Muslim woman free of the Hijab?
Do you really not see the horrible conflict here?[/QUOTE]
the symbol of the Christian cross used to be thought to be related to torture and horrible acts in earlier centuries, but now it's revered.
symbols change meaning over time.
if you can't grasp the concept that a woman can be both empowered and also choose to wear a headdress [B]formerly associated with oppression [/B]then you should probably, like, read a history book.
To put this thing to rest, or attempt to, let me illustrate the irony in calling the Hijab oppressive here:
[t]https://thebaochi.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/cartoon.jpg[/t]
Okay, the garment in the comic is the niquab, but the point remains the same. Western culture values expression of femininity and sexuality. Many Muslim women much prefer modesty. It's a cultural thing. While I can sure as hell tell you that women are oppressed in many Muslim countries, I still think it's disrespectful and oppressive as hell to tell anyone, man or woman, what they can or cannot wear. Let them decide themselves.
The distaste some Westerners have for the Hijab is rather hypocritical in light of the fact that while new wave feminism may pretend to be about empowerment, they sure spend a lot of time telling women what they should or shouldn't be, do, think, like, and wear.
[QUOTE=Ridge;51705714]They're protesting that a woman lost the election.
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Yeah! Nothing to do with mister "grab her by the pussy" becoming president :downs:
[editline]26th January 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=archangel125;51723972]To put this thing to rest, or attempt to, let me illustrate the irony in calling the Hijab oppressive here:
[t]https://thebaochi.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/cartoon.jpg[/t]
Okay, the garment in the comic is the niquab, but the point remains the same. Western culture values expression of femininity and sexuality. Many Muslim women much prefer modesty. It's a cultural thing. While I can sure as hell tell you that women are oppressed in many Muslim countries, I still think it's disrespectful and oppressive as hell to tell anyone, man or woman, what they can or cannot wear. Let them decide themselves.
The distaste some Westerners have for the Hijab is rather hypocritical in light of the fact that while new wave feminism may pretend to be about empowerment, they sure spend a lot of time telling women what they should or shouldn't be, do, think, like, and wear.[/QUOTE]
It's not like the hijab/niquab/burqa is enforced with violence or social isolation in many Muslim societies :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Sunday_Roast;51728413]Yeah! Nothing to do with mister "grab her by the pussy" becoming president :downs:
[editline]26th January 2017[/editline]
It's not like the hijab/niquab/burqa is enforced with violence or social isolation in many Muslim societies :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Sure it is. And as someone who lived in Saudi Arabia I can absolutely confirm that. But if women in the west choose to wear it, that's their right and their choice. It's retarded to go "But it's a symbol of oppression!" because you're making the assumption that they're too stupid to have thought it through themselves, whether you know it or not.
[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;51713440][T]https://fortunedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/gettyimages-632279784.jpg?w=720[/T][/QUOTE]
I'm down for more American Flag wear.
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